I don't care which Ferrari it is, it wins.

You can't discount the Magnum factor.

French power!

better? you're hurting my brain...

GTB - as much as I like the DS, there are a number of other cars I'd rather own to replace it's many fun n funky attributes.

Geez, this woulda been easy 10 years ago...NO question 308 GTB, but since I have a different taste now I voted for te DS since it seems more "exotic" or "erotic" to me now, with its Hydro-pneumatic suspension and all...And the DS seems timeless compared to the 308...Kinda like those old Burlesque dancers from the twenties.

DS. No, I don't know why and don't ask me either - it's just how the world has to be or otherwise horrible things will happen.

For what it's worth, the Citroen is mid-engined. Citroens will always win these debates, as far as I'm concerned. They may be the only cars more challenging to own than anything made in Italy, and the DS in particular just has so much damn style.

i like that the vote is almost tied between a ferrari and an old french sedan. This is why this is the only good automotive site on the web pretty much.

I vote the 308 as the car I'd most likely catapult directly into the middle of the Abu Dhabi Ferrari Theme Park on opening day.

308. Hopefully I can have one by the time I'm 30. And have it running again by the time I retire.

308 GTB Obviously... The DS is way cool but in a funky cruiser sort of way. The 308 is a low slung sports car that is fun to drive and looks the business. Plus ask any (Non French) girl which she would rather go on a date with you in... That seals it.

I always thought of the 308 kind of like the Porsche 914 and 924: The result of a broken marketing deal with a mass-market brand. Didn't the Fiat Dino beget the 308? Didn't it spend years getting kicked around as "not a real Ferrari" by those V12-only assholes? The fact that you can find well-maintained examples daily on eBay for the price of a new Solstice speaks volumes.

Say what you will about the DS, but it is--if anything--a pure idea committed to steel. Probably too much for most people . . .

C'mon, Magnum drove a 308! Maybe some French girl visiting the island would have a DS, and he'd nail her as he was solving her father's murder, but that'd be it.

The DS is cool in a whacky, oddball Eurocar sort of way, but man, it ain't no Ferrari.

I already have a mustache and a Hawaiian shirt. I do not have a beret or like wine. Case closed.

@Teds: I'm pretty sure you'd score more chicks with the Citroen.

And besides, the Ferrari doesn't even have a back seat.

A little tutorial please! How can you tell the red Citroen is a DS instead of an ID? Thanks

@skaz:Gotta keep the audience in mind. Underaged big-hair Jersey girls down at the mall would definitely be lured by the 308. The DS, not so much.

It seems like the 308 fans are loud and outspoken (and most of them probably sport moustaches). While the DS voters are quiet, content to let their continental snobbery do the talking, either that or they're too busy eating wine and cheese.

The Citroen is timeless beauty, comfortable in any company. The Ferrari is timeless sexy, always unabashed in its fuckme dress.

Today, given the ridiculously high-maintenance aspects of both, I'll take the athletic mistress over the poised girlfriend.

DS. It's cool, funky and classy.

Based on the definition of "superior to another (of the same class or set or kind) in excellence or quality or desirability or suitability; more ..." I'd have to say,..BOTH! Desirability = Ferrari. Suitability = depends on the task at hand. Execellence or Quality = DS. As you can see, it depends upon what thou art undertaking.

Ultimate accessory for the Miami Vice costume? Ferrari. Picking up the has-been, hair-band groupies of the 80's? Ferarri!

Odd Ball daily driver with an un-surpassed ride quality? DS. Ultimate PCH? DS

Both have their merits.

@LTDScott: You don't like wine?

The 308 with the padded-walls interior of the DS. Oh yeah.

Hey, when it comes to driving fast on drugs while getting my wing-wang squeezed, all without spilling my drink, there's only one car for me.

Ah, you have found my weakness. It may not be the ultimate anything, but as a malaise era relic myself, the 308 will always be the first picture that pops up in my head when I think "Ferrari." The Citroen is cool and interesting, but neither it nor just about anything else will top the Ferrari on my personal "I want one" list.

Style vs. Cliche. OMG that car is so fing cool versus you wanna-be-Magnum-PI cheap bastard.

I voted SM.

In 1957 the French Philosopher Roland Barthes wrote of the DS:

"The D.S. - the 'Goddess' - has all the features ..... of one of those objects from another universe which have supplied fuel for the neomania of the eighteenth century and that of our own science-fiction: the Deesse is first and foremost a new Nautilus ."

A vote against the DS is a vote against all that is good in the world.

@THNDERBLTDOHERTY: You make a very great point.

it is a tie between a ferrari and a citroen. your head asplode.

308. Either car in the garage will continue to age gracefully, but the 308 holds the mystique of the Ferrari brand. The Citroen is an amazing machine, built by people who had a unique perspective on transportation. I think the primary deciding factor would be - how does the car make you feel while driving, or even standing beside it. In that light the 308 would be the better car because I'd rather be breathing the history of racing than the technological pinnacle of a particular era.

@ThnderbltDoherty: is that car the DS or the 308? both of them seem very good, for that purpose.

The Citroën DS is just timeless and classic - ready to take you into the retrofuture. The DS makes me think of the film Alphaville. The Ferrari 308 makes me think of Magnum, P.I. which is stuck in the 80s.

While I'd love to have a 308, its performance isn't that stellar by modern standards. And since I think you'd pull more quality birds with the DS by a factor of ten, well, it wins. Sorry, Ferrari.

@ThnderbltDoherty: I'm with P.J. here...that, and the DS doesn't come with a mustache nor Tigers cap...

I'd take the 308 because I'm afraid the DS is just too much of an exotic for me. It's the automotive equivalent of an uncomfortably bizarre fetish porn flick.

I'll take the 308. And the DS for the wife. I'm the Magnum wanna-be cheap bastars and she's the funky cool "goddess". Seriously, I love iconic cars. For its era nothing says sports car more than the Ferrari.

@jonnylieberman: Well it's not actually a like/dislike issue. Red wine triggers a really sharp pain behind my jaw line (lymph nodes?). White wine is okay, but since I now have an association in my mind of wine = pain, I am not a fan.

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This question can be interpreted in at least two ways: A) which car would be better to drive, and B) which car would be a better ownership proposition?

And I hate to break the gallic truth to you all, but the Ferrari wins on both counts. Sure the DS would be like driving a floating cloud. And it looks about as good in a gallery as it does on the streets of Japan. But get a carb'd GTB and it might even have speed to match its go-fast looks. And the cam belt changes aren't half the nightmare I hear the Citroen hydraulics are.

@2trips: That'd be the 308, immortalized in PJ O'Rourke's Republican Party Reptile.

@SeanKHotay: Yes, the mustache and gothic "D" are key.

@graverobber: [Cue random Grey's Anatomy star, show cars being trailered around with crazy city lights reflecting off the paint]

In today's Question of the Day game, it's not about whether the car's stuck in the past, narrow rear tracks, hyrdromatic suspensions, or pop up headlights. No it's not about any of that.

In today's Question of the Day game, the real question is: When you turn your car on, does the fuel pump work?

Life Liberty and the Pursuit (of anything remotely resembling reliability)

No contest! At 6'2" tall and size 11 shoes, it has to be the DS for me.

One of the early fiberglass bodied GTB's would be tempting though. So much lighter than the later ones.

@pjsammy:

Are you kidding? That's all I consider.

@jonnylieberman:
And Jonny, how are you not swamped with QOTD submissions? It's like nearly the most commented/read thing on the Jalop! What reader doesn't want his/her name enshrined for at least 24 hours!

Ok, ok... so the Moustache PI Express will pull more tail, but what quality tail? If I ever find a woman who appreciates the Citroen DS, I'll know I've found true bliss. So take your Ferrari C-Class down to the strip club and filter out the ladies whose looseness in virtue is only surpassed by the Ferrari co-branding team and leave the real women for us Citroeners.

the Ferrari- but only because I don't have anyone to chauffeur me in the DS yet.

But in all reality, it's like picking the hot but mind-numbingly dumb blonde over the smart girl next door who knows just what to do for you.

Oh come on! One's a fine Ferrari, not the best though. And one's a frickin' automotive landmark, a true, real deal icon!

One will get you Shelia circa 2007, the chick with the still-feathered hair, cigarette stained hand and track suit you had a crush on in shop class in 1977. The other will transport you right back to the Left Bank with a circa 1967 Brigitte Bardot in the passenger seat.

Vote DS for taste! Vote DS for class! Vote DS for...humanity!

@Al Navarro: We really don't get that many.

Over the weekend we received two, but they were obviously penned by people who'd been drinking heavily.

@cardesignmike: scratch that- agree with TURBOBRICK on the DS.

DS. Easy. It is a question of owning a piece of history vs. owning a piece of shit.

In other words, both the DS and the 308 are mechanical turds by todays standards and neither is exceptionally fast by today's standards. So you have to base this decision on what the car says about the driver when he or she is driving it.

The Ferrari can say only one of two things:
1. I really like Ferraris but I cant afford to buy one of the good ones so I am stuck with the only awful design Pininfarina ever penned for Ferrari.
2. I really like the way Tom Selleck looks in short shorts.

The DS can say also say one of two things:
1. I have a good working knowledge of automotive history and I appreciate vehicles that raised the bar for the entire industry and were significantly ahead of their time in both style and technical features.
2. I am a douchebag who likes french things.

Even though the statement that one makes when driving the DS is not entirely appealing, it is clearly superior to what the Ferrari says about its driver.

For those of you who still believe that the Ferrari is a superior car, let me share some insight that I gained after my brief exposure to one.
1) It will not get you laid. Girls are born with an innate knowledge that this car is not cool.
2) It does not sound like a Ferrari. It sounds cool, but not as cool as the old ones or the new ones
3) If you break the rear windshield, it costs $1000 to replace.

Advantage DS.

Uhh Ferrari vs Citroen??? yeah gimme the 308, Higgins

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