Western, Eurocentric history has made all of us believe almost no science occurred between the fall of the Roman empire and the 16th century. It's also convinced us no science occurred anywhere outside of Europe until the 19th century. This is why almost no one talks about Ibn Al-Nafis, an Arab Muslim scholar and physician from the 13th century. He explained the circulatory system and how it worked in detail well in advance of most European physiologists (and it's quite likely much of their work was derived from him). He wrote an encyclopedia of medicine that was one of the largest ever. He also wrote many religious commentaries, attempting to bridge reason and faith, before it was the hip thing to do. If there's one competition that could use some reason, it's the Porsche-Nissan Ring Slap Fight according to PaulJones.

I don't give two shits who teaches whom to drive. The point is that Porsche is not the only one that is unable to replicate Nissan's claims. In these post-scientific revolution days, people prefer data that is replicable by an outside source. So for that reason, as others suggest, why not give both cars to the same driver on the same day and see what happens? I really don't care which one is actually faster than which, as I wouldn't by either of them, even if I did have the money. But I find the continuation of this whole dumbass slapfight to be ridiculous. Both sides know how to solve the problem. Neither side is willing to put their ass on the line and do it, which tells me that they are both full of shit.

As for the tranny breaking antics, it doesn't matter whether the transmission breaks or not. Any use of the launch control whatsoever voids the warranty. I have listed out the other things that void the warranty at least three other times in this thread, so I'll let you look at that on your own time.

Now for the philosophical failure of Nissan:

If the car requires the use of traction control to achieve the advertised performance that Nissan bases it's marketing scheme around, and the car is subsequently built with that traction control, then why is it forbidden to use it under terms of warranty? If drag racing is such a bad idea in the GT-R, then why did Nissan give demonstrations of the car drag racing? If Nissan wanted to build a sports car that is capable of beating a Porsche and simultaneously making "ultimate performance accessible for all drivers", then why is it a violation of warranty to do so?

Kind of defeats the philosophical purpose of such a car.

Finally, it has nothing to do with what the actual performance of the car is. It has everything to do with Nissan being shady about every aspect of the cars performance and everything that has to do with it. Like I said, I could care less which car is the fastest, and I think the same holds true for the target audience. A Corvette guy is a Corvette guy. A Porsche guy is a Porsche guy. Not much will ever change that. But that doesn't mean that a company has to resort to bullshit tactics like Nissan in order to change it. And as far as the whole "Chevy POS" thing goes, take car to do a better job of separating your own subjective judgments from your reasoning process.

I am a Corvette guy myself, but I have no issue admitting the virtues of Nissan's GT-R. What I take issue with the way that Nissan has treated its customers with regards to the GT-R.

Yeah, pretty much.

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