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Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

tekdemon — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 00:06:29 EDT

Seriously, it might be time to just embrace nuclear powerplants and some sort of quick-charging electric cars. Actually, I suppose they already have the technology for the quick charging electric cars, it's just insanely ridiculously expensive to manufacture the batteries that can charge in a matter of 3-4 minutes.

But those 2 things combined would pretty erase the problem of $5 a gallon gas. It does increase the risk of another Chernobyl though.

tekdemon

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

skulldriveshaft — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:09:11 EDT

North America will remain a third world country in terms of energy sources :[

Creation of renewable energy has never been the problem, it's the distribution.

And if you can't get the green light to build small refineries in every city, the time to market will definitely become decades.

skulldriveshaft

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

smokyburnout — Sun, 27 Apr 2008 00:51:13 EDT

@adamaoc: if you'll read the article and some of them posts up there, you'll notice this is a cellulosic ethanol plant... as in, ethanol made from non-edible parts of plants, as well as garbage...

smokyburnout

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

adamaoc — Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:15:42 EDT

$1.00 p/g gas, but at what price... starvation around the world?
ampnetmedia.com/webnews

adamaoc

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

hootjigga — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:05:17 EDT

Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon
Capitalism demands mark-up.

hootjigga

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

blackfin: from the land of POLAR BEER — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:08:39 EDT

april fools?

blackfin: from the land of POLAR BEER

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

MyRideisMe — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:48:02 EDT

Elhigh,
You don't get 40% less fuel econ with alcohol. The E85 available now gives you about 25-30% less fuel economy. E85's stoic burn is 10:1 and gas is a well known 14.7:1. There's your loss in FE. (simply put...)
The saddest fact is that E85 has a much higher octane number (100-105) where gas tops out at 93 (at the pumps) Not one US manufacturer tunes their cars to perform better on E85. That's a shame!

MyRideisMe

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

M0L0TOV — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:22:42 EDT

As long as the price of rice and beans doesn't increase anymore, I'll be happy. On another note, I've read about this method before where they use grass clippings. We need to just be able to use our waste products for this, shifting around things isn't gonna make any sort of difference. Gas can be $1.00 a gallon but if a loaf of bread is $10.00 why bother?

M0L0TOV

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

smokeydog001 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:48:32 EDT

Let's see now, CNN, an agenda driven, 3rd rate cable network and GM, the world's most incompetent auto manufacturer, want to sell us on Coskata's new gas product. I think I'd rather buy religion from the Right Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

smokeydog001

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

delsydsoftware — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:45:53 EDT

If they could improve this process so that you could use cellulose-rich paper products to produce ethanol, you could start mining old landfills for paper. The hippie-types used to complain that landfills kept their contents intact for years, so let's mine them for fuel!

Or, maybe they could sell a kit version, so you could turn your junk mail and used printer paper into a gallon of fuel every couple months, or something equally stupid like that.

delsydsoftware

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

danio3834 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:39:53 EDT

The cost for them to produce a gallon of fuel is $1 a gallon? So by the time it gets into your tank, it'll still be closer to $3 a gallon.

The real solution we need here is to deregulate the oil industry so they can actually produce more oil. Let them drill, let them build more refineries. At this time in our economy, the last thing we need is expensive fuel driving astronomical inflation rates.

danio3834

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

beercheck — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:37:26 EDT

@muleshoe: So, what was the beverage of choice? Anything I should start with?

beercheck

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

muleshoe — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:28:33 EDT

@beercheck:That is what happens when you are a retired Old Geezer kike me thqt don't know Shit.

muleshoe

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

beercheck — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:19:27 EDT

@AshMeAboutMyCar: I'm pretty sure Party Lite has that market cornered.

beercheck

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

ranwhenparked — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:17:09 EDT

This is being done at the Westinghouse Plasma Corp.'s site, and there's yet another ethanol plant planned for the former Volkswagen factory site in New Stanton, part of which Sony leases for TV assembly.

Looks like Greater Pittsburgh is shaping up to be the epicenter of the ethanol bubble, but hey, these are truly golden times for people who enjoy burning the world's food supply in their SUVs.

ranwhenparked

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

Mazda Eric has his own radio show — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:11:13 EDT

@smalleyxb122: good point sir good point

Mazda Eric has his own radio show

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

The Name's Ash78, Housewares — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:11:02 EDT

I'm still holding out for cellulitic biodiesel, made from the leftover drippings of the lipo clinic.

The Name's Ash78, Housewares

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

smalleyxb122 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:09:11 EDT

@Ben Wojdyla: You beat me to it.

smalleyxb122

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

muleshoe — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:08:40 EDT

@beercheck:Thaks Dude, Brotherly Love is Brotherly Love

muleshoe

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

beercheck — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:08:37 EDT

@BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ: I call bullshit on that Brazillian propaganda!

beercheck

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

smalleyxb122 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:07:38 EDT

Are you missing the part about it being cellulosic? That is the "corn cobs and grass clippings" kind of ethanol.

So unless that part of the post is misquoted, this shouldn't affect food staples at all. It should even bring prices down a bit, as it opens up a market for the waste.

Ethanol may not be (isn't) the savior, but it does add an option for energy.

smalleyxb122

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

beercheck — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:04:30 EDT

@Ben Wojdyla: Yep. Which is good from the food supply angle. But I'm still skeptical regarding the efficiency angle and the can't-use-pipelines-only-trucks... angle.

beercheck

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ - Also smoking his cigar in the CSRSL — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:03:02 EDT

@beercheck: Is subsidized for shure, Brazil produces the cheapest alcohol on earth and still is more than a dollar per gallon

BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ - Also smoking his cigar in the CSRSL

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

beercheck — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:02:07 EDT

An interesting article in the NYT, circa 1994:

[query.nytimes.com]

beercheck

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

Ben Wojdyla — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:02:02 EDT

Did you guys not notice the cellulosic ethanol part?

Ben Wojdyla

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

smsolo1 — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:01:10 EDT

i read a press release. they do not want to control the product. they want to sell the rights to someone with big infrastructure and capital(big oil maybe) to get to market quick with some real inventory. they want to focus on product development. they say there is a lot of power to be tapped as they get better at making it. they also hope as the use scales out, cost to make will drop much more. i'm pumped.

smsolo1

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

Mazda Eric has his own radio show — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:00:43 EDT

That's strange, I just came back from the grocery store and bought a $317 can of corn, $117 bag of rice and $1000 box of ziti.

Mazda Eric has his own radio show

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

beercheck — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:00:12 EDT

@muleshoe: Man, you are making me so jealous! But two more hours and I'll be right there with ya.

beercheck

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

Maxichamp — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:59:38 EDT

And, with this offer, for absolutely free, you get worldwide food riots!

Maxichamp

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

Elhigh — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:58:44 EDT

$1.00/gal doesn't help as much as I would hope - mine isn't a flexfuel ride, and typically mileage drops by 40% or more on alcohol.

I could retrofit my truck, but that would take a fair amount of work, and I'd have to do all that work again to run it on gas again.

Electronic fuel injection must be pretty nice.

Elhigh

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

muleshoe — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:55:17 EDT

@beercheck: Thank DUDE 10 down, And it all was good

muleshoe

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

muleshoe — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:53:42 EDT

Know promlem, I SHIT roses

muleshoe

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

beercheck — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:52:49 EDT

The link is taking forever to open, but I assume this is still subsidized, right? Or have they found a way to produce ethanol that's efficient enough to actually be able to burn ethanol in order to manufacture it?

beercheck

Coskata Breaks Ground On Ethanol Plant, Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon

squablow — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:51:54 EDT

40K gallons sounds like very, very little. Like not even enough to keep a single e-85 station supplied for a year.

I'm still waiting for ethanol to be produced using grass clippings and corn cobs, for $2 a gallon at the pump. When that comes, I'll convert my '68 Caddy to run on it.

Until then, I'm not impressed.

squablow