<![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail - Jalopnik Comments]]> http://cache.gawker.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/jalopnik.com.png <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail - Jalopnik Comments]]> http://jalopnik.com Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:13:50 EDT Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:13:50 EDT http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5353347 @brandegee: Check out this one:

[carscoop.blogspot.com]

GTBruiser

]]> 12:383023:c5353347 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:13:50 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5351058 Attention Porsche...

Turbo diesel in the Boxster as a three-season commuter daily driver. I'd buy one, given the progression of oil toward $200 a barrel.

JWilly48519

]]> 12:383023:c5351058 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 04:06:53 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5348976 In a few years time, maybe I can dream of putting one of these into my Xantia, AWD and all.

aesthari

]]> 12:383023:c5348976 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:56:03 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5348631 @Ben Wojdyla: or maybe an XT coupe?

GTBruiser

]]> 12:383023:c5348631 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:32:05 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5341542 @grzydj: So your pre-Prodrive P2 donor hasn't moved up to the squirrel-eating stage yet?

Elhigh

]]> 12:383023:c5341542 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:02:30 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5341367 Call 911! Go on, admit you've thought about it: imagine updating a scrappy 911 with one of these engines. Stout underpinnings, great handling, lightweight car, torquey turbodiesel engine... Anyone else see the autocross potential here?

DSLPWR

DSLPWR

]]> 12:383023:c5341367 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:56:33 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5340825 Oh, I love it so. I want to hear what this sounds like unmuffled... Glorious I assume..
Please Subaru, gimmie one in an OBS. 45 MPG, the ground clearance of a ford explorer, and that torque with AWD??

What do any of you guys know about propane injection?? I can buy propane everywhere, but Nitrous is a little hard to get, and expensive...

I am getting moist...

boognish

]]> 12:383023:c5340825 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:38:05 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5339660 @MikeHerbst: My bad, it was the EJ22.

Clearly waking up 6 times last night with my 2 year old is not good for posting, I forgot about balance shafts in inline engines. Got to find caffeine...

saabophile2

]]> 12:383023:c5339660 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:01:57 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5337615 @saabophile2: The Honda F has a balance shaft so it is very smooth. The EJ series from Subaru do not. Even though it is a boxer engine, there is still a second order imbalance. It basically wants to twist itself while the Honda would want to move up were it not for the balance shaft.

mzs

]]> 12:383023:c5337615 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:53:05 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5337313 Boxer-Turbo-Diesel-All-Wheel-Drive:
This thing makes me want one bad.

They can even go after Audis when they come up with Boxer-6-Turbo-Diesel-All-Wheel-Drive.

Boxer-STi-Turbo-Diesel-All-Wheel-Drive:
Now that sounds real hoontastic! Do it subie, do it now!

akirachan

]]> 12:383023:c5337313 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:42:46 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5336334 @smalleyxb122: It would sound like pure awesome.

Paul Y. is Going Dumb at the Sideshow

]]> 12:383023:c5336334 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:14:25 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5336203 @Hyman Decent:

Change the image macro to having a Raccoon sitting at an intercooler with a bib and napkins and silverware dining on a plate of bugs.

grzydj

]]> 12:383023:c5336203 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:09:49 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5335483 @brandegee:
Also, perfect Vanagan Syncro motor.

Agreed. I think we have a new candidate for best post-apocolyptic transport, a Westie Syncro with this beasty in the ass end!

@saabophile2: Inherently smooth boxer...I don't know. My old Subaru, with the EJ20 engine, was hardly smooth and was pretty lumpy at idle.

Unless your "old Subaru" was a 2002+ WRX, or you were overseas, then you probably didn't have an EJ20. EA8x perhaps? EJ18 or EJ22 maybe.

Either way, idle quality in a boxer is a whole different animal, but compare the on-rev smoothness of a boxer to a Honda and the boxer wins evertime. Doubly so if the balance shaft and counterweight system of the Honda engine is out of whack. Ever wonder why Accords come with ECU controlled engine mounts? (Yes, ECU solenoids drive vacuum to the engine mounts to soften them up at idle)

MikeHerbst

]]> 12:383023:c5335483 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:46:19 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5335131 With the petrol boxers sounding almost diesel-like, what the hell would an actual diesel boxer sound like?

smalleyxb122

]]> 12:383023:c5335131 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:35:34 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334800 @grzydj: Looks like you need one of these:

Hyman Decent

]]> 12:383023:c5334800 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:25:03 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334559 Fracture splitting connrods is standard practice in the industry. Bearings are not split that way, instead half-cylinder shells are inserted after the splitting.

Otherwise, the only real innovation here is marrying a boxer config to diesel combustion. Subaru had to do that because all of its vehicles are designed around the boxer concept. There are definite advantages in terms of center of gravity, pedestrian crash safety and especially, engine vibrations.

However, it's also an expensive configuration: you need four camshafts and two timing chains for a DOHC layout vs. two camshafts plus one timing chain for an inline four.

rgseidl

]]> 12:383023:c5334559 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:17:40 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334527 @oldskoolparts: Whether you're a smug hippie, or you're smug about not being a smug hippie, you need diesel levels of smug torque to carry around your excess smug.

I'll take mine in an XT.

Maymar

]]> 12:383023:c5334527 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:16:31 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334460 better yet put that in a Myers Manx

jeffam

]]> 12:383023:c5334460 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:14:31 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334440 Whew, is it model year 2015 already?

lascauxcaveman

]]> 12:383023:c5334440 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:14:00 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334420 Gotcher 35mpg SUV right here, buddy.

lascauxcaveman

]]> 12:383023:c5334420 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:13:25 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334158 @cyclopticgaze: No, no, no; it's got to go in the back of a VW. Or better yet, a 914. Now that would be totally Jalopnik.

thunder

]]> 12:383023:c5334158 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:04:30 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334018 I want one of these in a Forrester or an Outback- something station wagon-esque. 5-speed and AWD would be nice too. Diesel here in So Cal is about a buck more a gallon than regular, so that's what, a 25% increase? If I can get 32 combined MPG that's a 60% increase over the 20 I'm averaging now, so even with the higher cost of diesel I'd be coming out ahead. Bring it on!

graverobber- Same great taste, new low price!

]]> 12:383023:c5334018 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:59:42 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5334002 Imminent Subaru Imprezza WRX STD

Dr. Spaceman

]]> 12:383023:c5334002 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:59:03 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5333835 This is a rather spiffy engine indeed. I still wish that Subaru had a part-time AWD system, though - the fuel economy of their current lineup is not so good.

Spasticteapot

]]> 12:383023:c5333835 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:53:28 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5333786 @grzydj: Yeah, it's good for packaging, and I imagine with the CFD tools available for finding airflow through it, it's probably pretty effective. Still a performance compromise too, sitting right on top of the hot engine.

elwood

]]> 12:383023:c5333786 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:51:39 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5333630 @Ben Wojdyla: Justy or Brat? My head asplode.

Boxer turbo diesel in the rollerskate!

cyclopticgaze

]]> 12:383023:c5333630 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:44:33 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5333613 @elwood:

Simply because of packaging. It's a flat four engine with room under the hood to put the intercooler on top of the engine without having to put one in the front. I sort of like mine out of harms way, save for the Raccoon that insists on eating bugs off the top of mine in the summer.

See below:

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grzydj

]]> 12:383023:c5333613 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:44:00 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5333370 i bet thousands of vermount dykes are wetting their woolie panties about right now

oldskoolparts

]]> 12:383023:c5333370 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:33:13 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5333153 some how, i think the panties of many vermont dykes are getting very very wet about right now

oldskoolparts

]]> 12:383023:c5333153 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:24:35 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5333061 @saabophile2: the smoothness referred to is the fact that boxer engines typically don't require a harmonic balancer as inline and V engines do. Not the idle which is purposely set much lower than inline 4's because it can be without stalling.

Xman

]]> 12:383023:c5333061 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:21:21 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5332564 @brandegee: Beat me to it.

VW discovered that their TDI motor made for lots of fun at the stoplights - big grunt off idle makes for impressive peppy New Beetles, and a whole bunch of gas stations receding in the rearview mirror.

Now bolt it into a Forester.

Elhigh

]]> 12:383023:c5332564 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:59:10 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5332548 Why must Subaru continue to go with the top-mount intercooler? Maybe it's just throwing a bone to the aftermarket to give them something to replace.

elwood

]]> 12:383023:c5332548 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:58:35 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5332515 @brandegee: You made a mistake in your sentence, it should read:

Points to whomever can wedge one of these in a Justy first.

Ben Wojdyla

]]> 12:383023:c5332515 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:57:12 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5332389 Man, I hope the MPG offsets the price of Diesel around here. A High torque diesel, fuel effecient, AWD, WRX wagon sounds like the perfect car.

Sloop_John_B

]]> 12:383023:c5332389 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:52:55 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5332111 I will buy another Subaru if I can have this motor.

A little extra boost (and/or a stroker/big bore), and you have a diesel-WRX, too. Hell yes.

I'll be first in line to buy one if that happens.

If.

Paul Y. is Going Dumb at the Sideshow

]]> 12:383023:c5332111 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:42:23 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331971 Points to whomever can wedge one of these in a Brat first.

Also, perfect Vanagan Syncro motor.

brandegee

]]> 12:383023:c5331971 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:36:23 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331722 hell yeah, with diesel a buck more than gas, i can't wait...attach that to my already over hyped hybrid and the left wing will just buy my lunch for me for the rest of my life

oldskoolparts

]]> 12:383023:c5331722 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:24:49 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331520 "'Boxer Turbo Diesel'. Just say it Julius. 'Boxer Turbo Diesel'. 'Boxer Turbo'.

That's alotta torque."

Bumblebee

]]> 12:383023:c5331520 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:15:28 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331503 I want one of these so bad. I'd buy one, then run out and buy unequal length headers so it'd sound even more tractor like.

grzydj

]]> 12:383023:c5331503 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:14:28 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331463 @Placebo: It's technically first-of-kind for a car, but aircraft have experimented with boxer diesels for 60+ years.

Cessna actually just recently got a boxer 4 certified, which is the first time for a light aircraft. Previous attempts had proven too heavy (weight is 10x more important in light planes than in cars)

Ash78

]]> 12:383023:c5331463 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:12:25 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331405 Inherently smooth boxer...I don't know. My old Subaru, with the EJ20 engine, was hardly smooth and was pretty lumpy at idle. The Honda inline 4's rev much smoother than the Subaru boxers.

Soundwise, the boxer kills the other Japanese inline fours. I wonder what the diesel boxer sounds like...

saabophile2

]]> 12:383023:c5331405 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:09:04 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331341 I don't know about buying the first year of a new, first of its kind horizontally opposed diesel engine, but they had me at (frickin') "high powered laser" beams and such. Hells yeah.

Placebo

]]> 12:383023:c5331341 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:05:23 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331216 Is this what they are putting in the toyota/subaru secretary car thing? Sweet!

macecalrissian

]]> 12:383023:c5331216 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:58:01 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331213 I can has AWD + Diesel in the same car?
Please!
For years, my ultimate dream do anything vehicle has been a 4-motion Passat Wagon TDI, but I'll settle for an Outback Wagon Diesel.
45 MPG hoonage FTW!




rexplex

]]> 12:383023:c5331213 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:57:50 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331158 The specs are very similar to the VW 2.0tdi CRD coming to dealers this summer. I can't wait to see how the two perform head-to-head. And whether those high-pressure injections can handle B20 biodiesel (or better) so I can start making my own.

Ash78

]]> 12:383023:c5331158 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:55:19 EDT <![CDATA[The New Subaru EE20 Boxer Turbo Diesel, In Detail]]> http://jalopnik.com/383023/the-new-subaru-ee20-boxer-turbo-diesel-in-detail#c5331111 I stumbled across this a few days ago, but I thought it was old news. Guess I should have sent it in?

But I think I'm gonna wait to see if it can hold up to 51 lbs of boost to pass judgment.

Unevolved: Whoop!

]]> 12:383023:c5331111 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:52:41 EDT