<![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Got the 335i and I have to say that driving the M3 was not worth the extra money over the 335i. I have a car as fast as the old M3 but did not have to pay M kind of money. That being said if money is no object, I would have gotten the M :)

netcaretaker

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Adamskiy: You win. I hereby chnage my plans to install Iowahawk's replica of the jet powered supercharger. I must run the 1/4 in 7s.

piththeelder

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> so far BMW has constantly denied that they are going to make an official "M" 1 series (a stock 135i is already faster than a 335i). you can get a 135i "m sport" which is like a soft M. They are producing a 135tii, and a 335tii soon though...

brad-disaster

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Regenerative braking works great on diesel locomotives too. Plus they have a lot more lowend torque and turbo's in addition . Sounds like the answer to a BMW fan's dreams

avusone

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Do they make ( or are they going to make) a M1 ?

For the 1 series BMW's

FAHQ2

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Whatever you do, don't buy one on Ebay !!

avusone

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Wish they would put the 3 series coupe tail lights on it

Krookideyez

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I love my 335I (a cabrio) and considered an M3, but the performance of the 335 is so good, i cant really imagine needing anything more, it has the weight distribution, and more torque (because of the turbos), so i don't see the point in a 20,000 price bump.

There is a white one in the dealership here (a coupe), and its pretty awsome though.

A 335 with exhaust and chip should be at about the same level (power output) as an m3 though...

defconracing

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @piththeelder: I see your twin turbos and raise you an Iowahawk's Turbonique jet-engine-turned-supercharger.

Adamskiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiy

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Foo2rama: I'm completely with you on that. I have not driven the new M3, as I don't think they yet exist where I live. I have driven a 335i, and I liked it. A lot. But the M3 seems to have diverged from its roots to me.

The M3 was always a light, fast, powerful, small car. At least by North American standards. This is not light, nor small. I was a bit peeved that the E46 had become a little too big. If this is not actually physically bigger (I haven't measured, obviously), it certainly looks bigger. I don't feel the spirit there.

I do love the C63, because the spirit of AMG has always been, "what's the biggest engine we can fit?" The RS4 doesn't have a direct lineage, but it's further proof that there are some people at Audi who are more than a little nuts, and that's fine by me. The IS-F seems to me like a research group suggested the addition of 27.3% more "fun" to the IS, and the soulless Toyota robots complied. So perhaps the M3 still sits perfectly in its chosen niche. But for my money, if I had enough of it, it wouldn't be in my driveway.

BeerDearthair

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> If you guys have not already, its worth setting the Tivo to record the 'Speed Test Drive' of the M3....they stretch its legs pretty well. What a nice sound out of that engine...

MadNachos

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> The engine alone is worth the price. I haven't driven it yet but the dealer revved it for me. It sounds awesome. Still I'm waiting for the CSL and the HPF twin turbo system.

piththeelder

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Mr. Hardigree has to test the Ford F250 diesel in the middle of Chicago in March and Mr. Siler gets to test the new BMW super sedan in what appears to be some magical elfin forest. It would have been easier just to take a dump in a box and set it on Matt's porch.

Andrewpetty

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I am very pleased to see the M3 sedan back again (as yet another E36 M3 sedan owner in the crowd). It has so much more of that wonderful sleeper appeal that the boy-racer M3 coupe, of any generation, seems to overtly lack.

That being said, I really wish the carbon fiber roof had carried over from the coupe -- it really is one of the most striking features about the E92 M3.

Finally, to just state the obvious for the sake of posterity -- anyone who compares the M3's S65B40 to the Corvette's LS3, or any of the other LS series engines, must remember this: the pushrod powered motor has more than two liters over the Bavarian's DOHC mill. That it will produce more torque is inevitable; that the difference in horsepower output between the two is negligible impresses on the Bimmer's part.

DragoonRaven

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I have driven all flavors of the M3, I love the e46 the best, the e30 is fun but a handfull, the e90/92 is not an M car it is an amg, I am sorry but I will take an e46 all day long. Although I might take the e90 as it is what the M5 should be...

Foo2rama

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @tentacles: I'm now curious about what all of these manufacturers stated weights include. I'm sure there's no conspiracy afoot, but if the BMW engine weight includes the weight of the oil, or exhaust, or control electronics and the Audi stated weight doesn't, then it's a bit dishonest to compare the two. Also, I don't think you could replace the BMW V8 with the Audi V8 and have a car with better driving dynamics, so I think that aspect of the question is a moot point. The engine and the rest of the vehicle are two systems designed together to complement each other, and using a new engine would necessitate changes in the vehicle.

Now if you're asking me which engine I'd rather have in a theoretical custom car/kit car/whatever, I think I'd probably take the Audi engine over the BMW or LSX variant, although the LS7 with the dry sump is very tempting. I think if you took each engine to its maximum, the Audi engine would have a higher theoretical performance limit, though that's largely academic. Basically, though I'm impressed with what GM's done with the small block chevy platform, I'd rather build a car with the BMW or Audi engines.

elwood

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @laughing_guitarist: My brain powers never cease to amaze!

AceDuce

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @bee zee arr: Agreed. A E36 M3 Sedan would be a nice daily.

@Preferredcustomer: I dig your style.

TRAMS_AM

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @rkwadd: I hate to say it like this, but the M's mill compared to the LSX is like comparing F1 to NASCAR (eventhough its totally not)

In the end, they all get around the track pretty darned fast.

danio3834

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Preferredcustomer: You said it, man.

danio3834

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @elwood: So what do you think about the Audi RS4's 4.2l FSI having the same power and somewhat more torque at lower rpm, while weighing over 100lbs less? (according to the Jalopnik Fantasy Garage, 317 lbs [jalopnik.com])

@Preferredcustomer: 445lbs, apparently.
[www.worldcarfans.com]

tentacles

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @rkwadd: I haven't driven one yet, so I can't comment on its chi. BMW true believers will point to the 8,000+ RPM redline as justification for the technical complexity and cost compared to the GM engines.

I will say that, IMHO, the old M5 V8 (S62, in BMW-speak) was not noticeably better than the equally powerful V8s used in the CTS-V (the LS6 and LS2). All three of these engines pulled like freight trains with solid rocket boosters attached, sounded like the thunder of Thor's voice through the halls of Valhalla, and made the huge sedans they were embedded in do wicked, terrible things that family cars just shouldn't do.

Preferredcustomer

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Preferredcustomer: Does BMWs V8 possess some sort of ethereal chi that is obvious when compared to the pushrod LSXs? This exact comparison is way the hell out of my price range, but I know that the 323, 325, and so on were much smoother and more pleasant engines than a lot of more powerful turbo 4s and V6s. Was that all just the inherent advantage of a straight 6?

rkwadd

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Needs more bombast.

E.g.: Nun-Raping Suspension, Jeg's catalog redneck mullet-befuddling power delivery, More responsive squeal than Traci Lords on an X-Bender, Bob Saget-destroying Brake Calipers, Enough balls to make Sean Connery run back to breast feed on his dead momma's titty, etc. etc.

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @elwood:

Meh. I am one of the bigger BMW fanbois you will find, but even I concede that the GM LSX engine architecture is superior in most ways to BMW's M powerplants. The pushrod LSX is a physically smaller package than the BMW's DOHC V8 (I don't know about weight; I haven't seen figures on the 4.0L), yet it provides the same or better power with much more torque and far greater tuning potential. Throw in the fact that it is much, much cheaper and you've got a winning argument.

The fact that BMW didn't design a pushrod cam-in-block seven liter V8 to make 500 hp and instead went with a DOHC V-10 (for the M5) has more to do with technological chauvinism than with any inherent superiority in the BMW design.

Preferredcustomer

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @tentacles: I think if the BMW engineers wanted such an engine, they would have designed one. I like the LS3, and it's great for GM cars and engine swaps alike, but the engine design created by BMW engineers is a result of the system dynamics they wanted to achieve.

elwood

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> And for those of you that haven't been doing your Jalopnik homework:

"Intelligent energy management featuring Brake Energy Regeneration likewise
serves to further enhance the efficiency of the V8 power unit in the
new BMW M3. In this case the power required for the on-board network is
generated specifically during overrun and during application of the brakes,
serving to charge the car's battery at exactly the right time without taking up
any of the energy contained in the car's fuel. As long as the engine is "pulling"
the car, therefore, the alternator generally remains disengaged. Apart from
particularly efficient generation of electric power, this also serves to provide
more drive power and traction for supreme acceleration at all times."

Wes Siler

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Looks to me like they have refined the design of this sedan so far that it may have lost its distinctive "M" appearance and/or edge... I mean, I know it's a sedan, but it's an M sedan...

Being a car guy I don't know if I would look twice if I saw one of these on the road, something the previous M3 just seemed to have.

med

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @knute: Oops, meant three figures.

Wes Siler

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Bury the throttle in six figures? Regenerative braking? What the hell is this guy talking about?

knute

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I agree wholeheartedly with the stealth comments from the review. As the very happy owner of a 4-door E36 M3 I know the fact that it looks like "just another boring sedan" to most people has saved my ass on numerous occasions, even doing really stupid shit right in front of cops (who I, umm, obviously had not seen until after I had decided to do said stupid shit).

turbodan

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @elwood: So what do you think about the LS3 weighing 25lbs less than this new BMW V8 while making somewhat more power at a lower RPM and a shitload more torque?

tentacles

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Boo, damn sedans. I'd much rather have the coupe version.

Kwincy

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @AceDuce: My mind exploded reading that. It made a 'yaaaeeeeeeeeeee' sound before doing so....

laughing_guitarist

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Hot_Carl: I disagree; I think they're quite good. My only complaint is that we have to wait two more days to see the rest of them.

cyclopticgaze

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Preferredcustomer: Yea, I hear ya, man... I'm sure a test drive of an M3 (if I could ever get one) would make me kick myself for getting off the order list.

Although I could afford it, in the end I just couldn't justify having a $65K M3 sitting in the garage next to my daily driver e46 only to be driven occasionally (I would NEVER drive it to work to sit on the street or even in a parking garage). So I took a long, deep breath (trying to think rationally) and decided that a year-round new e92 coupe will do it for me (and will kick the shit outta my current 330Ci!).

But hey, if you've got FU money and can drive it like you drive your 335i now (daily driver?), then go for it. I will be jealous...

Rock517

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> So glad the Jalop's reviewing this car.

I'm really interested in the disparity between the M's (comparatively) low torque and high horse power curves. I imagine the "low" torque helps the around town drivability, but do you notice it when driving spiritedly? Did you tend to keep the revs up to stay up in the higher HP curve?

cyclopticgaze

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Wes Siler: The problem obviously is that I can't remember anything more than a couple weeks in the past.

elwood

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Duphman2: It's got more displacement, but if I recall correctly, the engine actually weighs less. So I guess that depends on what you mean by "bigger". But if you ask me, reducing engine weight while increasing displacement and adding two cylinders is all sorts of awesome.

elwood

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Just when I thought that the sedan couldn't get any uglier, they gave it the bubonic plague. Bring on the boils, bulges and blisters I say!

Nice to know the 'M'ness' is still under the hood though.

b33g33

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Hot_Carl: Funny how these same pictures were just the subject of high praise earlier in the same comment stream.

dculberson

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Mfatik: It is, however, heavier then the 335's engine.

BlackIce_GTS

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> As to the question if the M3 is worth the extra cash over a 335i...YES. I have an '08 M3, and my sister purchased a 335i in '07. Having driven both, the M3 is an entirely different animal. The M has a better ride around town for normal driving (which was not the case with my E46 M3. That was liking riding an angry mule on a bumpy road), and has nearly endless grip for a RWD vehicle. If you can afford it, it's worth it. Only "downside" I've spotted so far is that when you really get on it and hoon it up you'll be getting 5mpg, but what do u expect from a 8200pgm V8?

brad-disaster

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I can say from personal experience that anyone comparing the 335i to the M3 V8 has not driven both cars. The m3 I somehow got to test drive was much better than the 335. Like the reviewer says you can't detect any body roll. Cornering is so flat it is almost unbelievable. The car basically feels like some extension of your body when driving. I've heard other cars described as telepathic. They're not. This car is telepathic. The 335 is nice, and it's quick etc etc. But nothing can replace the feel, sound, and speed of this new M3. Anyone who denies it's superiority over the 335 just doesn't have enough money or balls to own one. With that said, I now can't drive any other car without wanting this one. I'm starting my savings plan so I can get it ASAP.

fjork_duf

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Novaload: No Hooters girls belonging to MENSA for you.

banner77amc

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> It seems as awesome as everyone's made it sound, but I'm still going to long for the smaller, lighter M3s of yore. Where art Thou, Ye Olde M3?

PhoneticLorin

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @I'm so Malaise I can't taste it!!!!!!!!!11:

I saw it.

But all's cool. Yer secret's done safe with me.

jolaszek

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> This really doesn't do it for me. It's too fast, too good looking, and too smart.

NovaloadMissesPolar

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Mfatik:

I do.

Trade ya a rustbucket '92 Civic (VX, no less!) for it. If you're nice to me, I might (just might, mind you) trade straight up for your e46. Sarcasm, however, will cost you.

Get back to me and we'll talk turkey.

jolaszek

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @LTDScott, Porcubimmer pilot: New BMWs (M3, 1 series, others?) have the ability to decouple the accessory drive and only engage them during coasting and breaking. I guess the concept is to not drain HP/MPGs when you stand on the go pedal.

room339

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> you guys stil got your tester G8 GT????

could find out the factuality of the current advertising!

(shit that was the 5 series but I'm going to leave my comment cause no one will even see my mistake)

om nom de plume

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> These are some unusually crappy pics from the 'ol Jalop.

Hot_Carl

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Did anyone see how the M3 sedan did against the AMG and the IS-F in Motor Trend. The Mercedes and IS-F both had red bottoms. Yes... they were spanked.

banner77amc

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Duphman2: It isn't.

teargas

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> M models are expensive, even the 2 generations old M3s I could actually afford. Based on every single review though they are well worth the money, and more so with each passing redesign.

rkwadd

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @ConnorW: For quite some time only M cars have a 'real' LSD from the factory, everything else gets some sort of electronic diff or just an open one.

MadNachos

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @ConnorW: No LSD on the 335; in fact, the only BMW Group vehicles that have mechanical limited slip differentials are M cars and MINIs (where it is a $500 option).

The lack of an LSD is the 335's Achilles heel, especially in something like autocrossing. You just cannot put the (prodigious) power down. There are aftermarket solutions, but they are $$$$.

The conspiracy theorist in me believes that BMW does not offer LSDs either from the factory or as part of their "BMW Performance" line of Fast and Furious gear in order to drive up sales of the M cars.

Preferredcustomer

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Rust-MyEnemy: I like your thinking.

While Wes is taking car of the new stuff, maybe Murille can test drive some of the DOTS cars, you know, the ones with real 'character'? Maybe you can throw $50, $100, or a tank of gas at the owner to convince him to let you take a spin around the block? Heck, if my 1990 Legend was worth, I'd let you do it for free, just to see it featured on these tubes.

@Wes Siler: This request is meant as no diss to your reviews. Though it would be great if Ray would let you put up your 'introduction' post. We know you spent time across the pond, like bikes (both kinds), and live in NYC. But, who is your mother's uncle!?!

SwatLax

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Preferredcustomer: You're telling me the 335 doesn't have LSD? I'm honestly surprised, my 22-year-old 535i has LSD, what is BMW thinking?

ConnorW

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Preferredcustomer: It's more like a supercar that looks kind of like a 335i. Much more than an 11 on the knob.

Wes Siler

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> It's a good world when you can choose a 335I or this.

The only reason to not want the M3 (other than price) over the 335I might be the jarring suspension if used as a daily driver.

rlj676

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Duphman2: the new engine is actually lighter than the old one.

Mfatik

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> so who wants to buy an '04 E46 M3?

Mfatik

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Duphman2: Nope, this has a 4.0 V8, that was a 3.2 I6.

wes

Wes Siler

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Rock517: I've got a 335 now, and the performance is...more than sufficient. I can barely crack it open without getting into "your ass is going to prison, son" territory. It's a fantastic car in every way, with the speed of my old E46 M3 and the drivability/livability of my old 330i. A nearly perfect combination.

But then BMW had to go and build this. Which is like the 335, turned up to eleven. And while I almost never turn the 335 up to ten, how can I pass on one that goes to eleven?

Plus, with a real LSD, it will let me leave real, honest-to-god smoky burnouts, something that the peg-leg 335 can't really do. That's worth, what, 10 grand right there.

Preferredcustomer

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I love the 4-door M3. Not only will nobody other than eagle-eyed enthusiasts will suspect a thing, but it does a good job of attempting to shake off the 35-year old cocky rich bastard types that slurped up the old M3 in droves. And for that, I applaud it.

From a site that cherishes wagons and other stealthy, unsuspecting cars, I hope there will be a warm reception to this one.

4.9 Port Fuel Injection BZR

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @elwood: You mean like this:

[jalopnik.com]

Wes Siler

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @SwatLax: Yeah Ray, I vote you fly him out to test the Tata Nano.

Rust-MyEnemy is stll out there!

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I will have dragonian sex with the C63... I will merely masturbate furiously to the M3

(did I just lose my star for that?)

Braff S. Preston, Esq.

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @dolo54: I was under the impression that the E90 M3's engine was smaller than the E46 M3's I6.

Duphman2

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> "Even with the badges, those sitting one car over in traffic think of you as an upwardly mobile young executive from New Jersey, not someone hell bent on breaking every traffic law ever written."

That sounds like the appeal that the E39 M5 has always held for me. Looking forward to part 2.

Also, can we get Murilee a test drive again?

SwatLax

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Now all BMW needs to do is make a wagon version.

As for the styling, to my eyes the lower end 3-series sedans look like what Clarkson once described as a couch on wheels. Fugly to say the least. But in M3 or 335i form, I think it looks pretty good without being over the top like a C63.

drdreydel

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Thanks for making the poster I had to gank out of a BMW dealership of the M3 look like crap compared to the pictures you guys took. Now I have to photoshop "Hold onto your umlauts" onto one of them and print it out all big like at Kinko's. Dicks.

AceDuce

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @FreeMan: account = compensate, dumbass

FЯeeMan

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @LTDScott, Porcubimmer pilot: Helps account for all the degenerate things you'll do behind the wheel.

FЯeeMan

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Preferredcustomer: A while back I got my money back for the #1 allocation spot at my dealer for an M3. It was going to be a second car for me (i.e. weekends). But after driving a 335i and realizing that its performance is awesome by itself, I decided to just order one of those and trade in my e46. Depends on how much you're going to be driving it as to whether it's worth $20K over an e92...

Rock517

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> or maybe wait for the GXP to do that.

danio3834

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Now THIS is the kind of car I want to see reviewed on Jalopnik. How long until the folks at GM let you review a Z06 instead of some damn Silverado?

elwood

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Very nice. Now get it out there on the track with a G8 and do a kickass head to head.

danio3834

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> @Preferredcustomer: Yeah, I'm afraid it is. Don't think of it as a rival to the 335i though, think of it as a half price supercar.

Wes Siler

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> Regenerative braking? For what?

LTDScott, Porcubimmer pilot

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> The big question for me is not whether the M3 is spectacular, because I know it is. It's whether the M3 is enough better than the very impressive 335i to justify the 15-25 thousand dollar price bump.

I am afraid that the answer is yes.

Preferredcustomer

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I can not, in any language, in any sort of communication my mind can fathom (short of outright violence, but I'm not psychotic), express to you how jealous I am, or how much I loathe you for getting a tester M3.

Fitty7lax

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> It's the new "big car, gigantor engine formula."

dolo54

]]> <![CDATA[2008 BMW M3, Part One]]> I had a chance to drive one at the GM Milford Proving Grounds a few months ago, and it was the best "Drivers Car" I have ever been in. It literally felt like the car knew what you were thinking and where you wanted it to go before you ever turned the steering wheel. I know everyone jokes about BMW drivers, but while we laugh at the "Pricks on the inside" lines, they are laughing at us because their driving experince is so much more enjoyable than ours. Bastards.

OldeEnglishD misses Polar

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