<![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change? - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change? - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 1991 to 1992 Toyota Camry... that and 1998 to 1999 Honda Odyssey.

petersterncan

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Honda Odyssey 98 to 99.
62->63 Corvette
80->81 Pacer, 78->79 Gremlin and 77->78 Vega (All three went out of production.)

GatoRat

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> First Generation Impreza (1994-2001) second gen, (2002-2006) mostly due to bring a "real" WRX to the states with a turbo.

Lotucris

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I can't believe people have actually said RX-7 to RX-8, obviously absolutely no idea what they are talking about. I'd have to say 80's-90's Mustangs to the current model. Also previous S/RS Audis to the modern RS4.

Neckarsulm

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 1997 to 1998 Lexus GS300.

Jayel

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I'm right now shopping for a new car and the only ones I like are the ones that aren't made yet, or ones made several years ago. I think the 63-67 Vette was the most radical change, aside from the 59 year cars to crapping out on the fins in 1960.

Hello_Newman

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Also:

'58 to '59 Buick
'60 to '61 Lincoln
'48 to '49 Ford, Mercury
'31 to '32 Ford (Model A to V8)
'33 to '34 Chrysler, DeSoto (but nobody appreciated it then!)
'47 to '48 Hudson

MadHungarian

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> -Honda Odyssey Mk. 1 to Mk. 2
-Cadillac Catera to CTS to CTS
-Jaguar S Type to XF
-Mazda 626 to 6
-Mazda Protege to 3
-Land Rover Freelander to LR2
-VW GTI Mk. IV to Mk. V
-Pontiac Sunfire to G5
-MGA to MGB
-Chrysler 300M to 300C
-Audi 80 to A4 Mk. 1

See kids, there's a lot of stories or redemption in the automotive world!

Tomsk the red-nosed reindeer

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @johnfritz: Sorta. I like the improved performace of the whales but think the handling and the looks of the Aero style is better.

@Mad_Science: That is correct. The electronics are aftermarket, generally sourced by the department that buys the car.

JayP71

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @FuzzyPlushroom: As I understand it, the cop-specific stuff is usually done by an outfitter.

Ford handles the heavy mechanical stuff, but push bars, lights, sirens, radios, gun racks, etc are all "aftermarket." The best is K9 specific hardware.

Mad_Science

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Mad_Science: It's not?

FuzzyPlushroom

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Garebear: Agreed. That, '04 to '05 Mustang, '91 to '92 Crown Vic...

Do Taurus/500/Taurus and 626/Mazda6 count?

FuzzyPlushroom

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Aztek to NO Aztek.

POLAЯMISSESEVEЯYBODY

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Mad_Science: That's fair. The new one makes me retch, but I will contend that it's extremely useful and practical and clever.

A strolling player, now with 100% more Studebaker!

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @johnfritz: Here, here.

I've recently developed an obsession with P71s. I'd totally buy a manual-trans equipped, updated Panther (particularly b/c they paid off the development sometime around '95, so they'd be super cheap).

The push bar needs to be a factory option, though.

Mad_Science

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> .............................................

Crown Vic / Grand Marquis, in order of importance:

a) 2nd generation 'Aero' ('97) to 1st generation 'Modern' ('98)
b) Box body ('91) to 1st generation 'Aero' ('92)
c) 1st generation 'Modern' ('02) to 2nd generation 'Modern' ('03)
d) 1st generation 'Aero' ('94) to 2nd generation 'Aero' ('95)

I'm sure there'll be disagreement on this (from some of the very few people who car about the Panther platform) due to Ford's inexcusable de-contenting of these cars throughout the nineties.

johnfritz

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Saaj:
"The primitive OHV needs to be laid to rest, but nonetheless, good job GM."

Not this again.

I wish the primitive OHC was put to rest. OHC predates OHV.

At least in large displacement motors, OHV>OHC, in my opinion anyway.

JHJVJR

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Beluga: LOL, agree to disagree. the E32 is one of my all time faves. My anarchist, too-cool-for-school 9th grade english teacher drove a used one, and that sealed it for me. Heck, his was even a "triple threat" in that it was a beige, automatic, 525i. Still, I loved that car.

8yearoldsdude

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Chevy Corvair, from the early model ('60 thru '64) to the late model ('65 thru '69).

They improved the styling, from the boxey early models to the sleek and (still) modern looking European styling, and they especially improved the rear suspension, from the swing-axle design to the Corvette-inspired rear suspension.

corsa

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I don't like either one of those bitches.

Beluga

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Audi 90 to B5 A4
porsche 996 to 997 (duh)
BMW E21 to E30
2nd to 3rd generation Mazda MX-5
previous gen. to current generation MB S-class
Old to new Maserati Quattroporte.

Oh, and one that I completely forgot to add to yesterday's QOTD, but is one that I feel strongest about: IMHO BMW E32 - to E39. From an aesthetic standpoint, BMW's 5-series plummeted in '97 from stylistic perfection to a visually bland darling of the jellybean counters. So very sad.

8yearoldsdude

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Hey, I suggested this in my comment on the worst generational but no credit?

@josch: Almost any 54 to 55; almost any 56 to 57.

I know there's a lot of hatin' but Vette has held up really, really well. Ditto hello Challenger. And Mustang actually came back from the dead. That's a pretty impressive feat.

NovaloadMissesPolar

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Catera to CTS to new CTS
Buick Rendevous to Enclave
Hyundai Sonata to current gen Sonata
Chevy Malibu to current gen Malibu
Ferrari 308 to F430

yellofury * * * * *

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Armand4: If it's tiresmoking ya want, Sonny, Mr Ford gave you that from the T to the A to the 32.

And the A and the 32 are as delectable to gaze upon as the Motoramic Chevy.

Wheelies for the World!

thatguy01

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 1982 to 1983 Thunderbird

JayP71

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @POLAR: Lebowskifest
....FTW

eastaboga

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Tiddies for your car!

POLAЯMISSESEVEЯYBODY

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @shdwcaster: Is it just me or did the vans actually get smaller?? Seems impossible in this day of new models being 3.5" longer, 1.25" wider", et al. While a pedestrian choice, I agree completely and judging by the sales apparently so do a lot of MILF soccer moms,

"Line forms to the left ladies, no,no, keep the juice boxes, I like it......"

eastaboga

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @A strolling player: Disagree. I was next to one in traffic today.

Previous gen looked bloated, like a dead goat's abdomen. The new ones have a purposeful boxiness to them. They know they're vans, and they're not pretending to have graceful, curvy lines.

Mad_Science

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> -Toyota Avalon: the previous Avalons were great cars, but they weren't competing directly with the big American barges. The new Avalon matches them in size and surpasses them in refinement, even if the overall reliability is on the lower side for Toyota.
-GM 1/2-Tons: while GM still has a way to go before it's competing with the Japanese in quality, these new trucks are surprisingly efficient and well-built. The primitive OHV needs to be laid to rest, but nonetheless, good job GM.
-Buick Grand National: every year leading up to the glorious GNX was an improvement, and the rest is history.
-Toyota Prius: the first-generation Prius was...less than spectacular. The current Prius, while not quite adrenaline-stirring, is an incredible vehicle overall, and proof that efficiency doesn't have to mean low-budget econoboxes with rough rides and cramped interiors.

Saaj

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> New Rams with the Big Rig styling in 94.

Fitty7lax

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @shdwcaster: What? The new Mopar vans are ugly as sin. More vulgar than the Uplander/Montana SV6/Relay.

A strolling player, now with 100% more Studebaker!

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @al_beaton: Good stuff again.

The Jensen CV8 was still a nice machine though.

The 159 was also a huge step up over the 156.

I have to say, while the Citroen Traction Avant was a great car in its day, the DS was the best generational change EVER. In the whole history of the car, it is completely unparalleled. 1955 people!

Euromobile

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 2007 Grand Caravan/Town & Country --> 2008 GC/T&C. From ugly, unreliable jellybeans to semi-attractive, fairly reliable people carriers with decent performance.

2004 Mustang --> 2005 Mustang

shdwcaster

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> i dont think you guys get it, i think they are looking for a one year huge improvement. YJ > TJ or 95 to 96 takoma are big improvements, but look at the CJ7 to YJ or TJ to the new Wrangler. Every progression of the Toyota truck was just as big a deal or more than 95-96. there are bigger ones, especially if you don't look at vehicle names and just look at another vehicle that replaced it. take Hondas sports car the prelude arguably replaced by the S2000, now THATS huge! And if the car has to keep the same name, its not really going to work because usually when a huge change happens, the car gets a new name. In that case there's hundreds. Dodge omni to shadow to neon to callaber, those are big improvements. Ford Tempo to contour to focus, Chevrolet cavaler to cobalt, there's at least one from every manufacturer. If a car is a pile of crap they always give it a new name when they make a vastly improved replacement. You also cant say stuff like the new mini is way better than the old mini, there's 7500 years between them. The new beetle is way better than the old one, no shit. But if i have to pick a car that had the same name before and after i have to pick the Pontiac grand prix from 87 to 88. This doesn't seem like much now and I'd also like to point out that I hate GM, but this was one of the hugest improvements in a single vehicle in history. The car went from a huge pile of crap built on 1960's technology, 305ci V8 that was totally gutless, rear wheel drive radius frame platform, solid rear axle, SLA front suspension. From underneath this car was a 68 Malibu. It got bad gas mileage, rode and handled like a truck and was unreliable. In 88 it changed to a high tech uni-body, fully independent suspension, modern FF layout with a new modern V6, multiport fuel injection, even high tech stuff like ABS and HUD display and distributer less ignition. In 88 it won motor trend car of the year and Pontiac went from selling 17088 grand prix in 87 to 76723 in 88 and on to 128073 in 1990. It was a Daytona 500 pace car, pikes peak hill climb car and put Pontiac back into the number 3 sales slot, from 15 years prior. You could even get a special model grand prix turbo STE with 205hp modified by McLaren. The new one still kind of sucked, but that's the biggest improvement I can think of. Put some thought into your posts you lazy bastards.

car_bum

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> FC3S to FD3S. Yes it's been said...1st comment actually...but it follows my worst generational change from earlier this week. Worst, 1st gen RX-7 to 2nd Gen RX-7. Best, 2nd Gen to 3rd Gen.

Sivart_R1

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Continuing my theme....348 to 355.

Al Navarro

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 2007 to 2008 Malibu
C4 to C5
C5 to C6
Chrysler 300M to 300C
Cadillac Catera to CTS
2007 CTS to 2008 CTS
Infiniti G20 to G35/G37
1980s Dodge Charger to current Dodge Charger

JHJVJR

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @A strolling player: Damn that's a good one!

eastaboga

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 964 to 993, tip 'o the hat to today's JFG for the trickle-down technology, basically same engine in 959 as 993 turbo

eastaboga

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @ "RX7->RX8"

Ummmm...No. The 3rd gen RX7 was one of the most beautiful cars ever. And had turbos.

The RX8 is like high fashion that designers appreciate but makes women entirely unattractive. We get it. You like triangles.

I suppose in this metaphor turbos = stilettos made from stainless steel

Mad_Science

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Armand4: Yours is the first argument that I've read that counters my T to A (heh. I just said T to A). Of course I then disagree with '54 to '55 Corvette...but we can't all agree on the same things, now can we?

MaxSmart32

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @danio3834: Son of a... I knew I wouldn't be the first. And I couldn't agree more.

'62 => '63 Vette

Garebear

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Catera to CTS to CTS.
Cadillac is going in entirely the right direction.

A strolling player, now with 100% more Studebaker!

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Gen 1 Subaru Legacy to the Gen 2 Subaru Legacy

The first generation Legacy was a snoozer. The second generation improved on the design, increased the size and gave birth the amazingly popular Outback.

IMHO the second gen Legacy brought a struggling Subaru back into the American market and established them as the leader of the wagon and AWD car markets.

eltonito

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I'd agree that the Model T to Model A transformation is probably the most momentous, as they were the best-selling cars of the period. Someone who can drive a modern car can drive an "A," but if you jump into a "T" and put your foot on the right pedal you'll just engage reverse.
But I feel that the Jalopnik zeitgeist isn't about what change is most momentous-- it's about what change is most awesome. Tire-smokingly, hoontastically awesome, and to me that means power. My nomination, therefore, is about power. Not just horsepower, but staying power: The 1954 Chevy "Blue Flame" six being replaced by the 1955 Small-Block V8. I'm a fan of inline sixes, but I can't ignore the engine that launched a million hot rods and turned untold numbers of tires into smoking piles of shredded rubber.

Armand Bengle

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Im gonna say C1 - C2 Corvette. Now THATS what were lacking in the JFG

danio3834

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Flatheads to overhead valves.
Overhead valves to multiple valves.
Pushrods to twincams.
Iron to aluminum.
Solid axles to independent rear suspension.
Four speeds to five speeds.
Five speeds to six speeds.
Veyron to the Tata Nano (sorry, just threw that in for fun).

TR3-A

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @beercheck:

Uhhh... '08 WRX? If "some way" implies floats over speed humps and turtles without your coffee shooting like a geyser out of that tiny little hole, then I agree. Otherwise... no.

Chairman Kaga

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Andrewpetty: I agree, the Malibu has gotten better in each of its three modern generations. You know, kind of like Japanese cars used to do.

mobilene

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I'm holding out hope for the 2010 VW Paheton...

goatrope

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Mustang II to Fox body.

Markstre302

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @josch: steven tyler < liv tyler

mikedrawcar

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> truck: 80's Ram to the '92 baby semi (sorry, I don't know model numbers other than Corvette and BMW)

car: Aston Martin from 80's to today's sex machines.

mikedrawcar

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Kate Hudson > Goldie Hawn.

54 Chevy to 55 Chevy.

JoSCh

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> i agree with the skyline comment above. generally i see a decline in cars as they come out with newer and newer models but the skyline kept pushing it to better places. designs just get watered down usually.

harumph

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @j6r: I'd say C3 to C4 was a huge improvement and the C5 was another big leap forward.

Solo_Racer

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> '92 to '93 camaro. Still not as awesome as the 60s, but a step back in the right direction.

clank-o-tron

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> *crosses fingers, wishes on star* 1980 Int'l Scout II diesel to 2010 Scout X Turbodiesel hybrid.

Please?

Elhigh

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @dbol1977: Ion to Astra, if it works that way, is fantastic.

Matt Hardigree

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> ML320 to ML350 and any American car from 80 til today. And for those who would argue, remember when fast meant old and you really had to think when you bought a car whether it was going to start every morning, or last, until it was paid for.

Now, it's "how often am I going to have to take it in for warranty repair".

Big difference.

OctaneBoaster

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Jeep: YJ-->TJ (Particularly the Rubicon)

Toyota: 95 Truck --> 96 Tacoma (coilover front end, TRD with e-locker rear axle, 3.4L engine)

Ford: Switching the F250 and 350 up the the Super Duty line, and letting the F150 be the Truck For People Who Don't Need A Truck.

Mad_Science

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @JiAvW: Missing an "e" obviously.

Should read:

How is this question possible when there's only been one generation of Veyrons?

JiAvW

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> How is this question possible when there's only been on generation of Veyrons?

JiAvW

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> First Kia Rio sold in North America to current Kia Rio sold in North America. The difference in quality is absolutely gob-smacking.

FLB

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 05-06 Civic, especially the Hybrid and Si.

A strolling player, now with 100% more Studebaker!

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Mazda 323 to Mazda3 - best change Evar.

jonnypage

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> MK I Supra to MK II
MK II Supra to MK III

1.6L Miata to 1.8L Miata

96 to 97 XJ (not big changes...but still great)

Neener

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> RX7 to RX8

01 altima to 02 altima

4th season Becky to 5th season Becky on "Roseanne"

Mysterious Utility Bento

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> C3 - C4 - C5.

Also, Saab 96 - Saab 99/900.

Also, Aero Bird - Super Bird.

NotACoolGuy

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> -4th (early 90's) to 5th (late 90's) gen VW Passat
-2001 to 2002 Nissan Altima
-1997 to 1998 Honda Accord
-1954 to 1955 Chevy Cars
-1956 to 1957 Plymouth (Suddenly it is 1960)
-2004 to 2005 Ford Mustang (Of cours I have one)
-2007 to 2008 Chevy Malibu
-Saturn Ion(THE UGLIEST CAR ON THE ROAD TODAY!!!) to Astra
-Saturn L-Series (The fouth ugliest car on the road today after the Aztec)to Aura
-Pontiac Asstec (The third ugliest car on the road today after the second ugliest the Subaru B9 Tribeca) to the Torrent (thats not saying much.)
-The last Buick LeSabre (Beached whale looking turd) to Lacrosse
-The last Buick Park Avenue (A even more beached whale looking turd) to Lucerne
-2004 Seville to 2005 STS and 1991 to 1992 Seville

dbol1977

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> The Honda Accord. I used to have an 87, and it was a great, peppy, and reliable car. However, I recently drove my father's 2001 and it was fantastic. Tons of power, nice comfortable suspension that was surprisingly good in the corners, and a nice interior.

The Elantra also improved leaps and bounds from 90's versions to the 00's version. I have a feeling that it is becoming the new civic (which incidentally, I would like to nominate for worst change going from a nice, small, agile car with a beautiful rear suspension, to a big, bloated sedan with a torsion bar. If you've driven the 90's version, and loved it, I don't recommend trying todays version. It handles like a barge.)

Evil-Jeremy

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Chrysler 300M to 300 (especially the C and even more so with the SRT8).

Nissan Maxima 5th-gen to 6th-gen.

C5 to C6 'vette, of course.

And, by the looks of things, dare I say...last gen El Camino to the G8(amino)ST?

mofoturbo

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 1950's Harleys to todays machines, no wait!

Gradall

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> -The new Impala is worth a mention, at least in terms of styling.

-Ford's move away from the jelly-bean look of their pick-ups in the late 90's to the more rugged look of today.

-The Chrysler 300M -> 300C.

Hot_Carl

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @WilliamG.: I still think the evolution of "The Ford" underwent more during the T to A than anything else...while all the other cars of the period underwent gradual transformations, none was so drastic (and well needed)...

MaxSmart32

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @j6r: and then 456 -> 612 Scalgajeigad-yeti... i dont know how to spell it...

@juhaniengelberg: and they are finally (B5 -> B6&B7) scoring well in reliability... my wife's B5 SUCKED...

Ω ß®ªғғ

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Dr. Spaceman: Agree agree agree. The RX-8 is quick and practical. The last RX-7 was a goddamn supercar.

A strolling player, now with 100% more Studebaker!

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> BMW N52 to N54.

piththeelder

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Gwenthy Paltrow does equal an improvement. Blythe Danner giving her up for adoption would have.

TheGuinnessTooth

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @FordTempoFanatic: I don't know about that. Jackie Stewart says the '84 Tempo is a real driver's car.

Just kidding. The later Tempos were much better than the early ones.

LUV_TRUK

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Ask me in a year, and I might say Hyundai Tiburon (tepid front drive econo-sportster) to Hyundai Genesis Coupe (right-wheel drive hoonmobile).

For now, the second-gen to third-gen RX-7 and C5 to C6 Vettes stand out. Also, while the original Cadillac CTS may not have been great, it was a hell of a lot better than the Catera. Caddy that zigs indeed.

MarionCobretti

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I'm going to also have to go with Ferrari 412 (or whatever the last 2+2 was called) to 456 GT.

j6r

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @maxforrest32: Yeah. Though I'm more partial to the 31 A model > 32 Ford, bringing in the generation of flathead V8s. Kinda like the '54 > '55 Chevy.

Speaking of Chevy, I think the Silverado has been making slow but significant improvements with each iteration, especially the 87 > 88 redesign.

WilliamG.

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I like the 83 911sc to 84 Carrera change. Talk about revolutionary.

Ryan F

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> electronic fuel injection

sleepergt

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Porsche 911 keeps getting better and better and unlike the Corvette it is still recognizable compared to the original.

jbarrow

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> The GC to GD Impreza for North America in 2001.

Scallywanker

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> First series to second series Porsche 917s? I prefer when my car doesn't go out of its way to kill me in a big, fire-ey explosion at two hundred miles per hour. Cobra to Daytona Coupe? 86 to 87 Grand National? Dangit these are Fantasy Garage-ers. MaxForrest32 is right about the Fords, though.

voodoojoo

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @Skydiver: COTD, COTD

Matt Hardigree

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Oh, and Cavalier to Cobalt - they managed to compress about 15-20 years of evolution into one model change.

Maymar is convinced M.C. Escher engineered his car

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> C4 to C5 was huge and made the Corvette a real sports car and track car again. The move from the fox Mustang to the current platform was equally huge, and new Camaro is going to be a similar situation compared to the F-body.

Moves from FWD to RWD deserve special praise. Off the top of my head I can think of the Chrysler 300M to 300C and the Infiniti G20 to G35 (although these are completely separate car lines in Japan).

no_slushbox

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @rgseidl: Mazda RX8 vs. RX7 (rear seats, suicide doors, price)
Ban, ban, ban this poster.

Dr. Spaceman, Esq.

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Latest Audi A4 just released. Beautiful!

juhaniengelberg

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> buy@beercheck: buy = guy.

beercheck

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Car: 2006 Lancer to 2007 Lancer
SUV: Buick Rendezvous & Rainier to 08 Buick Enclave
Truck: Current F-150 to 2009 F-150
Other: Maserati Gran Sport to Gran Turismo

- I dont know anyone who could argue with those...

MBAcuraFan

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I liked the Lieberman->Hardigree change. [/suckup]

Skydiver

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @p161911: Speaking of the SBC, just read a story this morning about a buy in WI whose '93 pickup is about to turn a million on the odo: Loads of trannies/water pumps/etc., but the motor's never been apart. Good old pushrods.

beercheck

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Just about every post-Malaise era Ford, especially the Thunderbird and Mustang.

Maymar is convinced M.C. Escher engineered his car

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @p161911: I don't think the change was as dramatic or drastic between the A and the V8, but it was a big change as well. All this talk of BMW's makes my head hurt...

With a BMW, you always had a fuel pump, gears that you shifted with your hands, a foot throttle, most likely a radio, windows...

MaxSmart32

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @cyclopticgaze: I always thought it'd be really cool to put one of those 80psi F1 engines into a stripped out E21.

BlackIce_GTS

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> /Virtually all cars get better in some ways with each model update/

rgseidl <-- Somebody skipped class yesterday.

beercheck

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Some Euro ones...

10. Jaguar 420G to XJ6 (1968)
9. Jensen C-V8 to Interceptor (1966)
8. Alfa 155 to 156 (1997)
7. Austin Maestro to Rover 200 (1989)
6. Citroen C5 to C5 (2008)
5. Peugeot 309 to 306 (1993)
4. Lotus Elan M100 to Elise (1994)
3. Ford Escort to Focus (1998)
2. Range Rover P38a to Range Rover (2001)
1. Maserati Quattroporte IV to V (2004)

al_beaton

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I agree with all the Vette ones esp. C3 to C4. I've owned both.

MAXFORREST32: How about Model A to V-8

Don't forget 54 Chevy to 55 Chevy. The intro of the Small Block Chevy.

P161911

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @bmrfile: I agree!

cyclopticgaze

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> BMW E21 to E30 was a nice change, though evolutionary. The 320s were always underpowered, despite their relative lightness. But the 325s of the 80s were a big improvement and of course the basis for the first M3.

Course it's great fun to drop a lot of power into the E21s because they are light and still very simple.

cyclopticgaze

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Virtually all cars get better in some ways with each model update, if you define better as larger, safer, more luxurious and more powerful. However, a few examples do stand out because of the scale of the improvement:

Mini vs. original (space, safety, performance)
Fiat 500 vs. original (space, safety, performance)
Mazda 2 vs. previous (smaller & lighter for a change)
Corvette conv. mk6 vs. mk5 (stiff spaceframe)
Maserati Gran Sport vs. previous (tuned manumatic)
Mazda RX8 vs. RX7 (rear seats, suicide doors, price)

rgseidl

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Toyota Supra in the 1990's

BMW E21-E30

Isuzu Amigo when they brought it back in 1998

Ferrari F40-F50 Both great, but significant improvements made when F50 was introduced.

BMRFILE

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @BlackIce_GTS: I think Hyundai has come alooooong way...

Ω ß®ªғғ

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Z31 to Z32 was quite a nice change

NoPistons85

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Come on guys...the Model T to Model A? Thats a HUGE generational change, and all for the better...

MaxSmart32

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> C6 > C5 > C4 > C3 > C2 > C1, for the most part.

beercheck

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Both Miata gen changes. Not because they made it so much better, but just because they managed to not ruin near perfection.

tulsa

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Truckwise? 2008ish Tundra, 2004 F150.

Also, Infiniti G20 to G35 around 2003.

Now that I'm thinking about it again, the answer to yesterday's question is Lexus IS300 to IS250/350.

A strolling player, now with 100% more Studebaker!

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @A strolling player: The change you're thinking of was from FC3S (2nd gen) to FD3S (3rd gen)

NoPistons85

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 77 "Pintostang" to 78 Fairmotstang - with the turbo.

graverobber- My Yugo Nova!

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> These are all true, but none (so far) as much as yesterday's contrary examples. There are many occasions where a fabulous car has fallen flat on it's face, but has a truly crap vehicle ever become excellent?

BlackIce_GTS

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Disagree... I prefer Z31 to Z32, but hate the S130s...

Also, the 1988 SS Z31 = teh awesomness...

Ω ß®ªғғ

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> 1984-1985 Ford Tempo to 1988-1991 Tempo.

Ford Tempo Fanatic

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @abgwin: I did that.

beercheck

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> I like the new Bill Clinton. He apparently is past giving a shit what people think of him.

The new Malibu is also apparently good.

Andrewpetty

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> She says "2005 Mustang" hmmmmmm.

dolo54

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> The Supra made significant progress until it's life was tragically cut short.

disgustepated

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Mustang SN95 to S197

Dr. Spaceman, Esq.

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Let me go ask my z32.

dolo54

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> As eveidenced by my icon...
'52 Studebaker to '53

Also...

'98 Escort to '99 Focus
'26 Model T to '27 Model A
'77 GM C and B body to '78

MaxSmart32

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @ApolloV: You may not find alot of fans of that jump here but 1st gen 300zx to 2nd gen 300zx definitely.

RalphieDC

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Corvette. C4

Nelson

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @tonashideska: I think you meant to post that in "worst generational change"

abgwin

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> And C3 to C4 Corvette.

badco/LoJ

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Mk1 to Mk2 Scirocco.
Mk1 to Mk2 Prelude.
Z31 to Z32 300zx.

badco/LoJ

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> MGB to RV8

RalphieDC

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> That's easy - 280ZX > 300zx.

ApolloV

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @tonashideska: Yes, that's worked well for all of us.

I'm going to say that Vette keeps getting better and better from its nadir point in the 70s (leaving out the old classics).

Pete Gaines

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> GTI Mk IV to Mk V

abgwin

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @RalphieDC: to today

RalphieDC

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> C4 to C5 was a huge step.

j6r

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Nissan Z31 to Z32

Dr. Spaceman, Esq.

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Not easy.

Corvette? Altima? Stretching...

burglar

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Anything 1st gen Hyundai to toda. ie Excel to Accent.

RalphieDC

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> @A strolling player:
Right on. The RX-7 FD, the Supra MKIV, those were the greatest designs of those cars.

Papercutninja

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> Skyline R32-R34. They kept getting meaner and more aggressive-looking. Same thing for the M3 E30-E46. The E46 is possible the most beautiful BMW ever created.

Papercutninja

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> You mean besides George41 to George43?

tonashideska

]]> <![CDATA[What's The Best Generational Change?]]> The RX7 gen change in the early '90s. FD3R to FD3S, I think?

A strolling player, now with 100% more Studebaker!

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