<![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @KVHnik: Hmm.. V4... V4... Oh, right: Revive the Saab Sonnet!

DSLPWR

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @billstewartx: "and the stoopid vette still has pushrods"

And precisely how, being capable of judging these technical matters, do the pushrods make for less of a motor in the Corvette?

"Stoopid" is as stupid does. The merits, whether of the Corvette engine or this diesel, are in the performance, reliability, efficiency, size and weight, and cost... not apparent trendiness of features or "coolness" that doesn't translate to any of these.

trenace

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @cazin678: I think I speak for everyone here when I saw we all think you are a douche. Not only are you uninformed you are insulting. I fart in your general direction.

Ben Wojdyla

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Oh, how cutting edge..... oh wait, BMW has been building the same engine for two years now, so GM is only 3-4 yrs behind the curve.....

Which, for GM, may be as contemporary as they've been since 1968.....

cazin678

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Not sure who has determined that America doesn't want diesel cars but I have to disagree. Bring 'em on!!!
This engine in the Ute,ST, Maloo or what ever GM will call it and the G8 would be way too cool. I love the smell of diesel fuel in the morning. Ok maybe not mixed in my coffee but otherwise way to go. Diesels are not just for Europe.


6806goats

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> 4cam DOHC diesel...
will miracles ever cease?

and the stoopid vette still has pushrods...
what a schizo company...

wheels OF satan!

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> good quotes in that SAE article

"The heads' unique two-tiered internal construction segregates the intake route, the chain-driven DOHC valvegear, and water jacket."

"It was totally clean-sheet," Freese recalled. "Starting with very rough sketches, our path to every technical solution began with a 'what if.' We ended up avoiding traditional approaches."

very cool

maybe they can acid-proof the fuel carrying pipes and injectors so we can run veggie oil? the veggie oil likes higher injection pressures that the new diesel will be running..

wheels OF satan!

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> good post
more PICS??
cutaway?

wheels OF satan!

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @goatrope: You mean some kind of I4 for trips from the beach to the mall to the sorority house?

H3 is this decade's VW Cabriolet.

Dr. Spaceman, Esq.

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> how about a diesel Pontiac G8 Ute with big-rig style exhaust stacks?

then again, i know people have swapped chevy v8s into Jeep Cherokees before... maybe this will fit in mine? might need that taller cowl-induction hood...

smokyburnout

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @NICKNICK:

520 lb-ft in a FWD car sounds pretty hilarious.

Shapeshifter

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> I have a sense of foreboding with this not being an Audi , VW or BMW engine.

-But: just Insane creative repurposing given the constraint the designers received.

-If no hood scoop or really good e-bay ventilation though, looks like a self-destructing engine with a turbo to help accelerate that process.

Hell, S4 turbos are famous for going, esp. w/o the bi-pipe + boot mod; this thing's gonna fry!

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> It would be awesome if my wife could drive a Trailblazer with something like this and I can put 3 in. exhaust, intake and chip. It would be an awesome tuning segment. Performance diesel in regular cars could be awesome.

DanWarner

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> This is awesome. They need to put this in the mid size SUVs too. I bet it could get mid 20s MPG all day long. For those complaining about the cost of the Diesel option in a new pickup: yes they are on average $5000 more new but a diesel pickup is worth on average $8000 more then a comparable gas truck 3 years down the road and will last longer too. Stuff like this could make Max Bob a hero. People still want vehicles with all the room they just want a little better MPG.

DanWarner

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Dieselgasm.

...but I'm worried about transmission/transfer case/rearend longevity. This looks like it'd shred GM 10-bolts for fun.

Hopefully the chance that this would go in the H3/H4 spurs Chrysler to get a diesel in the Wrangler. (Because that's all I really want).

Mad_Science

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> I am putting this into my '90 Firebird. There will be stacks coming out of the hatch. And mud flaps with the stripper woman on them. CB radio. That is all. To get rid of the anemic 140hp/180ftlb with 310hp/520lbft is a godsend.

TexanIdiot25

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> you know darn well that if this ends up in a car, it'll be FWD in the impala SS or monte carlo

NICKNICK

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> it is the first Diesel made by GM for America in a while.. cant wait to see the MPG #s and the price.. finally a diesels for the light duties

stevecmh

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Stick one of these in a Vette, or even a Camaro, and I promise I'll eat my vegetables and clean my room!

Maymar - now with 37% less anonymity

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @kingedwin: The article spells out in explicit detail that this is an all GM designed engine.

Ben Wojdyla

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> This is an Isuzu-designed engine, which I guess is technically GM with it being part of a joint venture. Way better than the old Catapillar engines GM used to use.

kingedwin

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Dunno. . . . this is reminding me a bit of the wonderful advances GM made in the early sixties: OHC-6, unibody, aluminum V-8, torque-tube in their mid-size cars. Turbocharging with water injection. The Corvair. Does no one remember that the way the ended the decade (Front engine/rear drive, live-axle, pushrod, iron block and head, massive cubes) wasn't the way they started? GM has some real engineering talent and enormous resources. They just don't seem to have the will to stick with an innovation long enough to perfect it for the market.

I foresee massive recalls . . . .

Beluga

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @allenparkpete: Do you mean a valve?

@saabophile2: They already have the half 4.5, err, 2.2L TDi/TiD in Europe (and there's at least one in 'Merica). I think they were talking MY10 for a commercially available deisel in the US, maybe on the 9-4 platform.

SeanKHotay

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> No intake manifold = nice snug fit for dragon's man-parts.

ddsurace

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Awesome rat rod motor, just cut around the bulbous turbo on top and let it pop up through the hood.

Vejmezo

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> I desperately hope they sell this engine in crate form, so I can find a clean '78 Olds Custom Cruiser (or maybe a Ninety Eight) Diesel to drop it into.

Tomsk

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Wouldn't it be ironic if Detroit had been secretly working like dogs to develop ultra super cool diesels and blindsides the whole hybrid/electric market?
("ironic"---not likely, possible, or even probable...)


NovaloadMissesPolar

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @WarShrike: Maaaannn shooot. Were you watching me agin in muh dubba wide??

Exhaust through the valley isn't a new concept. Someone google up a 1930's Cadillac flat head V-8....

something like this...

[www.flickr.com]

PatriotsRiot

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> you know how when the LS1 came out everyone wanted to swap it into everything... yeah well, this is that x100

Mark Arnold

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Awesome, incredible design, but I'd rather see a 6- or 5-cylinder for a light duty truck.

GM developed this, not Isuzu?

badco/LoJ

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> How many points would that be worth?

DuraAce

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> I want to put one of these into an -aminoed volvo.

DuraAce

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @dslpwr: already jotted down in my "note to self" book... this thing makes SO much sense

om nom de plume

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @UDMAN: Same thing happened with the 04 Powerstrokes. They failed miserably..Gee then they came out with the 6.0 Powerstroke and that sucked too.

SLR_BlowerMania

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Saw it in half and stick it in a Saab hatchback as a 2.2L 4-cyl and I'll buy it.

saabophile2

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Article clearly states "..among potential other applications." I'm willing to bet they'll get a sedan hood over the top of that thing. How many sedan chassis from this manufacturer fit a small block V8?

Retrofit this engine to some worn out muscle cars ala Galpin's Biodiesel Impala...

DSLPWR

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @cgarison: bah, why wait a year? Where can we steal a couple now?

SexCpotatoes

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Also, I can't wait for some of these trucks to get totaled. Insurance auction engine swappage is a beautiful thing.

Ipschnug

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @brandegee: No doubt, looks like I'll be getting the only other choice: White paint, rubber floor, rubber seat. I've been waiting for a 1/2 ton diesel. I simply have no need for anything bigger.

Ipschnug

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> All that heat on top is perfect justification for a big, honkin hood scoop! Jus fer coolin, ya know.

commander205

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> 2010. I cannot wait that long. I need this motor in a year.

cgarison

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> That is brilliant! I'm exhilarated and depressed at the same time realizing that it will end up in white vans and pickup trucks. That's the perfect full size cruiser motor right there.

@cyclopticgaze: Renault 19 turbos used to have a hood scoop for keeping the underhood temperatures down. Just reintroduce the old cowl induction hood.

TurboBrick

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> "GM has a history of punishing brilliance and original thinking."

GM has a history of punishing its customers with original thinking.

"keep Charles away."

He's windowshopping Avalons in Utah.

thatguy01

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Damn, that is freekin gorgeous. I just soiled myself.

For an encore, how's about getting an interview with the engineering team that built this beauty? I have a feeling that I want to get to know them better.

And keep Charles away. This is strictly platonic. A man can love his engine and still be really masculine, you know. Manly, heterosexual men.

Just don't ask me what I plan to do this engine. It's private. And I'm sure it will involve modification and transplantation that would make Dr. Frankenstein proud.

More!!

DoctorNineTenths

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> The Hummer H3 will soon have a proper engine.

goatrope

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @EndlessMike:
@LTDScott:
It does, and I have to wonder about what they're going to put that engine into. They've done some interesting work to minimize plumbing and put the exhaust/turbos in the V8's valley, but how are they going to deal with all that heat right on top of the engine? It might work in a ute that has room under the hood, but not in a car.

Maybe this is the engineers' way of ending the practice of plastic engine covers shrouding their beautiful work.

cyclopticgaze

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> 520 lb-ft- yes please.

I wonder what the cost of this bad boy is compared to the current diesels? Upgrading to one of the current diesels is already $6g's or so, how much more could this be?

rlj676

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> That will definitely fit in my Jeep!

JeepyJayhawk

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @EndlessMike: Dammit, that's what I get for putting work in front of posting here!

LTDScott, Porcubimmer pilot

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Doesn't the new BMW turbo engine have a similar "reversed" setup?

LTDScott, Porcubimmer pilot

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Well, from what I know about modern diesel engines (remember, I work for a Truck Company), that big black device sitting on the front of the engine looks like a gigantic EGR valve. This is one of the tricks to keep the Modern Diesel clean.

A little story though. When the Mercedes Sprinter came into the US (as a Freightliner or a Dodge), they all ran well for the 2002 and 2003 model years. The 2004 was introduced with an electronic EGR (Placed on the front of the engine) to control the stricter emission standards, that part failed in over 70% of their vans. When it failed, the engine went into 'limp' mode, and would not turn faster than 1500 rpm, and you could not go faster than 45 MPH.

The moral to this story? I hope GM gets it right before they go to market.

UDMan

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Doesn't BMW have a gas engine using a similar idea coming out? Intake on the sides, with twin turbos on top. No removal of the intake manifold(s) though.

EndlessMike

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @Andrewpetty: QOTD

JantheMan

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Let's see, what other brilliance has GM come up with? variable engine displacement, catalytic converter, fuel injection...

...but don't worry, within about 15 years, somebody else will manage to sort out this new plumbing technology for GM.

Tanshanomi

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @lemondriver: Imagine when that charge tube's gasket lets loose inside the valve cover. You'll have 30+PSI (depending on the tuning/capability of the turbo) pushing into the covers (on top of the oil PSI), resulting in the engine bay being covered in oil alot quicker than normal.

WarShrike

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> We have seen this before haven't we?

[jalopnik.com]

(I wish I knew how to post photos)

Andrewpetty

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @WheatKing: GM guys have been doing the same thing, just doesn't get as much limelight I guess. I think a few have used the truck manifolds and done it that way, especially on the LSX guys.

WarShrike

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> I could see this as an option for the Colorado/H3 platform or maybe even the 1/2 ton pick-ups.IMO I just can't see GM having the balls to put a diesel in a passenger car though. Good article Ben.

SLR_BlowerMania

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @Ben Wojdyla: I read it that way too. A tube through the top of the cam cover carries the pressurized charge. But then, I haven't had my morning Mountain Dew yet. (read the SAE article - Mountain Dew cross-marketing goodness warning.)

lemondriver

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> how long till someone starts flipping the heads around on a gas engine.. I know the mustang guys for years have been putting shorty headers on in reverse to use them as turbo manifolds

WheatKing

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Every time you say "Pontiac, Ute" and now "Diesel" in the same sentance, my mind can't help itself by thinking "Sober, mentally stable, Britney Spears"

-chet

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @elhigh: From the source, the head is designed with some form of trickery to keep the air, coolant, and oil passages all happily seperate.

Ben Wojdyla

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> 'Bout time. Nice work. Course, I'd be surprised if this motor becomes available in anything less than the ultra-super-premium-deluxe-custom package with the sat-nav, chrome mirrors, and another $15K worth of unnecessary luxury features.

brandegee

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> So the valve covers are now also the intake plenum? Won't it aspirate a lot of its own oil?

That aside, way to make it fit into a small-block footprint: obviate most of the plumbing. Hell's bells, that's off the wall brilliant.

GM? Are you sure? 'Cause GM has a history of punishing brilliance and original thinking.

Elhigh

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Heh, then I go and read the article to see this - GM will introduce on its new 2.9-L turbodiesel V6 next year in Europe

loosse

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> For the time being I'll have to make do with a 6.6L. Impressive, the same numbers at 70% the displacement. If it's anything like the current generation of dmax engines, it's likely underrated and could be programmed for more boost and more power. On top of that, with 19-20mpg today, I could see this getting 25mpg or more, which is darned impressive.

I'd also like to see a 6 cylinder, in a decent small truck, none of this colorado nonsense (but a ute wouldn't be too shabby either)

Now if we could only get greater availability of biodiesel...

loosse

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @WarShrike: haha! ahh the good life.

TRUEBLUE'STANG

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> @ash78: Aw heck, cut the thing in half and make a V4 and put it in a Subaru Legacy-size AWD wagon and I'd be happy. It'd probably pass CAFE too! Go go go go!!

KVHnik

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> ahhhhhhh. My diesel engine pRon for the day! I love this engine! I had forgotten about it. Thanks for reminding me! It just makes sense. And it'll fit in my YJ. ;)

supra89t

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Well, the world will come to an end for some of the guys I knew that were going to school as diesel technicians. They really weren't that driven to do anything in the first place.

They'll look at that motor when they have to service it, quietly close the hood, run their hands through some Fast Orange, clock out, drive home in their asthmatic malaise era 4-door boat they bought for $400, sit down in front of their TV, light up a cigarette, change it to the Speed channel and cry softly into their Milwaukee's Best.

WarShrike

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> GM-Powertain Södertälje?

JantheMan

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Now if they could just scale this thing down to a V6 for the midsize pickups, we might have a pickup capable of being a daily driver with car-like economy AND the ability to tow a few thousand pounds.

Either way, great step in the right direction.

Ash78

]]> <![CDATA[2010 4.5L Duramax Diesel has Shockingly Brilliant Design]]> Good post, Ben. I need this article to prove to some non-believers that Detroit is getting on board with diesel engines. Expect Ford to pop something out very soon as well.

allenparkpete

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