<![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS - Jalopnik Comments]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The DS is a mid engined car.
The motor sits behind the front wheels.

Walleeme

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> You picked the wrong Ferrari and the most significant Citroen. You should have gone with any real classic Ferrari BB512, Dino or heck even a modern late 80's Testarossa (I know Don Johnson and Miami Vice).

With this combo I am going to have to go with the DS.

brunonut

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Novaload: Yes, it did. Here's the proof:

[www.fxdesignawards.com]

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Euromobile

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The ferrari's just a ferrari, a car nearly full to the brim with engineering know-how, just like the ones before and after it. the DS was a first a unique concept that was as chick and cool then as it is now and also full of engineering know how, and it has no real successor today.

But I'd still have the Ferrari, Jus because it is one!

Bazza

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Euromobile: The DS was "Product of the Century?" I call b.s. Must have been a poll of Citroen enthusiasts. In the century that went from horses to the moon--oh, why bother.
No. Just no.

NovaloadMissesPolar

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Better car? Hands down the DS. Car I'd like to be buried in? Magnum's ride.

A Toyota Camry is a 'better' car than, say, the 1980's Quattroporte I saw driving around on Sunday, but goddamn, I don't want a historically significant or incredibly reliable car. I want something Italian that comes with a key of coke missed before its seized property auction and an annual repair bill that would make bill gates cry like a little baby.

ppiddyp

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Three votes between the two cars, luckily I can vote at work. I prefer the DS, for the same reasons that have been said previously, and so eloquently. I have fantasies about driving around in a DS, maybe with some creamy smooth straight 6 (but also about a Continental with a Ferrari V12 for some reason).

the good dr zero

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I've always wanted a Ferrari, even a "fake" V8 one, but on the other hand I come from a French family and my grandfather had a DS. He also had an Olds Vista-Cruiser with a dual-quad 455, but that's another story. I'll cheat on this one: I'd get a Citroen SM for the DS's advanced suspension and styling plus some actual speed, then I'd get an Alfa Spider for Italian-style motoring, then a BMW 3-series for a daily driver. The best part about these three cars is that no matter which one I'm driving, people will think I'm a douchebag. And isn't that the point of driving a French or Italian car anyway?

Armand Bengle

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Teds, skaz, & Beluga: I have to agree with Beluga, it depends on your audience.

... and I can't speak for all women, but if you want a date with me, you show up in the Citroen.

Seccotine

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Lots of interesting thoughts in this thread. As many have pointed out, neither car is particularly fast and either one will bankrupt you. The Ferrari will snag girls with tramp-stamp tattoos, the Citroen will lure hot French chicks. Now, I love Ferraris, and someday I'll have one, but my French grandfather had a DS... so if I had money to spend on either of these cars, I'd get a Citroen SM for the DS's refinement and kickass grand touring performance, an Alfa Spider for Italian sporty motoring, and a BMW for everyday use. The best part is that whichever one I drive, people will assume I'm a douchebag. And isn't that what driving a French or Italian car is all about?

Armand Bengle

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Citroen DS, but with the Ferrari's engine, for fleeing the many assassination attempts I face on a daily basis.

Maymar the technophobe

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The best thing about Jalopnik is that a DS versus a Ferrari can not only get great commentary but that it it's a very close match.

Hmmm, Kelly LeBrock in the back seat.

HoubaHouba!

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Is this a trick question? Ferrari or French taxicab?

NovaloadMissesPolar

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Oh, definitely DS. I would much rather be seen that than a 308 (a dark blue one is not bad, though). But then again, I go for the nerdy girls.

Let me sum it up this way: if you see a 308 on the street, you have to pretend you don't care that much about it. If you see a DS, you can shamelessly preen over it and not feel like a douche. The DS is in, folks.

brandegee

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The DS says that you have a very good knowledge of cars and appreciate real class. You are cultured. The 308 says you don't give a shit. Then again, the 308 is what they'd be expecting you to do. When you call a DS classy, people understand. When you call a 308 classy, people laugh and say "I don't think you know what that word means". Which one would look cooler with my rad-ass high school dropout punk friend behind the wheel blasting the Adicts? Forget culture or counter culture, what would the MAD type drive? As for that matter, why is my head exploding?

voodoojoo

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Bien sur, I voted DS.

With that said, this poor 1970 D Special (no affiliation) has been languishing amidst late-model genericmobiles for over a month now. Time for someone to put those idiomatic dollars where the mouth is.

SuperCarnitas

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Mad_Science:

Hey, if i don't have to attend at least some therapy to recover from my girlfriends (and maybe boyfriends) something has gone wrong with my life. I'll take the sexual weirdness of the DS--and hope for trauma.

...That kind of went to a bad place, didn't it?

Shapeshifter

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Gilles Villenueve used to terrorize southern France in a 308 GTB. Game over. 308 FTW!

1300ccsoffury

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> My 62 ID19 had single headlights. I thought the DS had quads.

Rustophobe

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Meh, malaise-era Ferraris weren't all that memorable compared to what Maranello delivered before and since. The 250 and 288 are both nicer and already in the JFG.

The DS is a timeless classic, it deserves to be in there. I'd have preferred the Henri Chapron decapotable version, but I suppose the limousine will have to do.

[en.wikipedia.org]

rgseidl

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Ferrari - but it's not a blind vote for the badge. I've driven a handful of 308s - a GTSi (214 hp, que horror!) and a couple of GTSi Quattrovalvoles - one of which conveniently developed an engine oil leak on the highway at 7000 rpm, which handily served as an impromptu smoke screen from the police.

Now, if this one is one of the earlier, pre-Bosch K-Jetronic models with quad Webers, I'd pick it over the DS. If it was a early super-malaise GTBi (replete with big ol' DOT bumpers), then no - it sounded great but went nowhere fast.

Love the DS, but today it's the Ferrari.

Eric Lai

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> If the DS doesn't win, I 'll loose all hope for mankind.

sos10

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The 308 was Ferrari slumming during a bad couple of years. The DS was Citroen completely throwing the script of modern motorcars out to make room for a rewrite.

Citroen.

Elhigh

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> A vote for the Ferrari is a blind vote for the badge. Apparently Fiat never needed worry about the NSX, plenty of people still seem willing to adore any piece of crap with the Cavallino Rampante slapped on.

DS, 100%, 365 days a year, all the way, no regrets.

Revolutionary design, technological innovation, beauty, quirkiness, legendary comfort and all without the "compensating for something, couldn't afford a second-hand 355" baggage.

This one IMO seperates the true car enthusiasts from the boys.

bugattatra

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @ChickenDust: I think the 308 is better personified as Don Vito stumbling around molesting underage girls.

no_slushbox

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @jmagay: @eltonito: @SeanKHotay: Do I really have to thank them for all those things? No. The tickler okay. Wine,uhh I drink Beer. Women? They don't shave..anywhere,and I mean anywhere. Soup? Okay..
I ain't never been to Paris.I ain't ever seen France, but I have seen the hair coming out of a French Lady's underpants! The Tickler!

SLR_BlowerMania

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I don't care if its the worst Ferrari in the world, and Tom Selleck never ever drove one, id still take it over the DS.

If for some reason, you REALLY need to stand out in traffic, get the DS. Youll get a lot of looks, although most will be confused/disgusted.

danio3834

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> My grandfather has a 71' DS and it still "cruises" at 150 km/h (circa 90 mph)on the highway much more comfortably and quietly that my 02' Golf TDI. It is an awesome car (and there are international clubs for trading spare parts).
But then again, the 308 is Magnum's car... The first ferrari I ever saw and iconic in its own a ferrari-for-the-masses way. It's a difficult choice...
Oh wait! I'm one of those much hated frenchmen who make good toast and supposedly kiss well (you said it), I'll go with granddaddy DS!

franzouse

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @eltonito: Commenter of the day! (By the way, shouldn't it be 'Commentator of the day'?)

Anyway, the DS clearly wins it. It is an embodiment of class, sophistication, elegance, beauty and style. I'd be willing to bet that any woman worth spending time with would rather sit next to you in a DS than in something as tacky as a Ferrari 308.

Consider that at the end of the 20th Century, the DS was voted 'Product of the Century'! It is, after all, probably the most technologically advanced car of all-time, when taken in context. This thing was dropped on the Paris Auto Salón in 1955! Think about that for a minute before you vote.

Also, if you're voting for the Ferrari because the DS is French, don't be so stupid! Think about that for a minute as well.

Euromobile

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Hands down Ferrari. It conjures up a visual of chisel chinned Romans swooping through the Alps like Beckerman in the original Italian Job. The Citroen just conjures up a vision of a left-leaning self-important history prof at a public university.

ChickenDust

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @RalphieDC: I want my sports car to be my daily driver.

no_slushbox

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @eltonito: The phone booth was a much better counterpoint to LeBrock's acting ability and the DS's looks, but now that I think about it, the LeBrock/Wiedlin comparison is a very analogous -- especially with the whole French medieval thing goin' on there.

Notice, however, that out of the three (LeBrock, Wiedlin, phone booth) Jane was the only one the nerdy geeks didn't get to ride.
As a nerdy geek, that's a problem for me...

Tanshanomi

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The way I see it, the 308 is for those who obsess about what others think, and the DS for those who appreciate automotive icons and don't give a rip what anyone else thinks.

Citroen. Hands down.

thunder

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> It's all about the Stache!
[www.80stees.com]

ĎāvĕΓħëβЯĂvė

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @bdon: No boxer engine in a DS - you may be thinking of the GS or GSA?

The DS was always reviled for an "agricultural" engine that didn't fit with the smooth nature of the rest of the car (with the possible exception of the late-model DS23 EFI engines). It was a development of the pre-war Traction engine.

slag

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Citroen, as it can make it around the corner at legal speeds without overheating.

ranwhenparked

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @no_slushbox: But if you can afford 2 cars wouldn't you want your daily driver to be the reliable one? Not your weekend sports car?

RalphieDC

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Having been born a Citroen fan, and having always thought the 308 is the most generic, cliched sportscar ever, I had to vote for the DS. Preferably in early, pre-sharknose form as pictured.

Despite that, over the years I've become more pleasantly disposed to Ferraris of all types, and I actually had to think about my vote for a couple of seconds.

Two gorgeous shapes, but the DS has style where the Ferrari is flashy, and that wins in my book.

slag

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @ThnderbltDoherty: I also prefer the 308 but you would be much less likely to spill your drink with the hydropneumatic than in the 308.

RalphieDC

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Tanshanomi: The DS is Kelly LeBrock, right? Right?

HoubaHouba!

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Does anyone contest that a 2nd gen MR-2 turbo is a better can in every way than the 308, other than the little horsie badge that Fiat put on the 308?

Yes, if I had to drive only one car for the rest of my life I would choose the 308 over the DS. However, if I've got enough money to maintain a 308 or a DS I have enough money for a second car.

If I already had an Elise, a Cayman S, a C6, or any other kind of decent sports car in my garage I would pick the DS in a second. The 308 would just be a redundant car; a dust magnet, not a pussy magnet.

no_slushbox

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> satan, heaven, and 3.08 million cars genocidally in action in beijing....If the DS has the 3 main boxer engine (I am pretty sure it does), I would like to cheat like a supercar and make my vote count as 10. 1 part truth that gives a crap, times 10.

bdon

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Tanshanomi: Excuse me, but Bill and Ted's did have Jane Wiedlin speaking only in French as Joan of Arc. She's way better than a phonebooth for those of us who prefer Velma.

eltonito

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I gotta go with the 308 GTB. Way fun to drive, Malaise Era or not. Plus the GTB is less of a douchebag mobile than GTS. GTB says "I like to drive," GTS says "I like to be seen driving."

EMPM, Esq.

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @eltonito: I see more like choosing between Kelly LeBrock in Weird Science and the phone booth in Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. Their acting ability was on an even par, but only one got a rise out of me.

Tanshanomi

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I suggest that we solve such QOTD's in the future with the help of a dragon penis divining rod.

Spence

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @spaceman7: Second Mad_Science for Commenter of the day. Gentleman and a scholar.

dearyou

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @SLRSpeedshop: ...and onion soup.

+1 on the kissing --> keep the kissing parts. (OK to leave out the sports).

SeanKHotay

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> An Italian car rental agent in Rome saw me pointing to a "Rent a Ferrari" poster when taking delivery of a diesel powered Renault Megane Convertible. In broken English, he said "Not for you ... people that rent Ferrari ... different ... gold chain, shirt open, not very nice!"

It's the Citroen DS for me.

Bruno V

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Mad_Science: You just perfectly described why I always liked Velma more than Daphne when I was a kid.

eltonito

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @SLRSpeedshop: You also forgot the legendary tickler.

@wannabewannabe: To put it into high school popularily contest terms, this is letterman jock versus first chair cello.

If I remember high school correctly, the jock won that matchup every time. YEAH! STEVE HOLT!

eltonito

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Heep: Either/or

Jonny Lieberman

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @jonnylieberman: I've sent a few in, but I sent them to the tips@. Should I be sending them to you?

Heep

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The Ferrari pictured has a Connecticut Registration, so that automatically disqualifies it for me. I see these things all over the place in this state, but not that many DS any longer.

UDMan

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> 100% guido vs. 100% nerd

This is much harder than I first considered.

wannabewannabe

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Nothing says viagra chewing middle aged dentist with hair plugs faster than a 308. Give the suave Citroen

42Fordtrucks

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I love the DS in the abstract. I could just never drive it without pondering the nothingness of existence while chain-smoking Gauloise twixt thumb and forefinger.

I'll take the much maligned malaise-era Magnum machine.

Brian B

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @lascauxcaveman: Can't believe my spell-checker didn't catch 'beaucoup'.

lascauxcaveman

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Mad_Science: -Commenter of The Day!

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Eh, possibly the worst-ever Ferrari Vs. possibly the best-ever Citroen? And don't kid yourself, neither one is a performance car.

DS, merci beuacoup!

lascauxcaveman

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The arguments for DS having more class and cool understatement are so very true, especially in DeGaulle-Braining "Day of The Jackal"-Black (a flick you Must rent, btw). -Same reason people buy Astons; they're not valkryie-detonating spun-bearing-squeal attention whores like the Italians.

^^^Notwithstanding, I've had multiple French girlfriends and I'd still take the 308 (sorry ladies); and in a blue-sky world, painted something reserved like Seal Grey, Reventon or Blitz Black. -I know: sacrilege.

wonkydonky

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I think it's wrong to judge someone's character or their taste in the opposite sex based on what they drive.

But since people are bringing it up, I'm pretty sure if you rolled up to a bar downtown in the 308, 99% of the people who see you will say "damn that's a Ferrari."

If you rolled up to the same bar in the DS, 99% of the people who see you will treat you as if you had rolled up to the bar in a New Beetle. With the Backstreet Boys. While playing their music loudly. And singing along.

It's the 1% of car snobs like us who car about the coolness of the Citroen (and it is VERY cool). Just for the record, I have a friend who owns a 84 308 GTS. I don't know where you get your info but that thing is a pu**y magnet.

Fitty7lax

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Given the choice between a Ferrari and something - anythgin - French, I'll take the Ferrari.

Bumblebee

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I have to vote for the Ferrari

I respect the DS but I in all honesty never understood the hype over it. Yes it had innovative suspension and design but I'd rather have the extra ooomph

yellofury * * * * *

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Attn: SLRSPEEDSHOP - don't forget Wine!!! And gorgeous women, and Paris, and the Riviera!!!

jmagay

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I'll take the 308, but gimme that wacky single spoke steering wheel from the DS. Man how I loved those things...

FЯeeMan is slowly cЯawling out of the new commenting system

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I generally think that the French are donkeys and that front wheel drive is for French donkeys, but the DS is undeniably an amazing car. The Ferrari is a car that someone buys because he is too pompous for a 2nd gen MR-2 turbo and too poor for a Cayman S. The DS is a car that someone buys because it is a DS.

no_slushbox

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Oh my God this is a no-brainer. The French suck. Period. Well,except for their toast,fries and bread.
Oh,yeah and kissing.

SLR_BlowerMania

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> In these comparisons, we oft make reference to the trashy Vs sophisticated women archetypes (sorry, Spence).

We seek to apply them today with the Ferrari being the blonde in thigh high boots and the DS being the brunette with glasses and a naughty streak behind closed doors, but it's really a bit of a stretch...

The 308 may be the blonde in thigh-highs, but she's also missing a tooth and has a yeast infection.

The DS maybe be demon when the wool sweater comes off, but the naughty streak might be the kind you have to go to therapy to recover from.

Mad_Science

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Upon futher reflection, "turd" was probably unnesessarily harsh and ugly; it was not my intent to offend the Citroenistas. Please change that to "ugly French bizarro-oddball-freak."

Glad I could clear that up.

Tanshanomi

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I clearly need more friends like you guys.

bzr

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Scuderia Ferrari for the win please Alex... malaise era magnum factor aside, she's a FERRARI!

"This first rule of Italian driving," ~affecting horrid accent and pulling the rear view mirror off the windshield~ "whatsa behind me issa not important!"

bananaDoc

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> gimme the DS. It's just so odd.

ratbark

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The DS21 goes 0-60 in 11.4 seconds, a mind-blowing 9 seconds faster than the DS19, and has a top speed of 112MPH. The 308GTB could probably do a better 0-60 time in reverse while running a slalom course.

Looking at the 308 I see dated, oft copied design elements over the unrefined power, speed and ego of Bode Miller. The DS has a graceful, timeless beauty that belies the wonder packed just under the surface and it glides down the highway like a telemarker in a backcountry powder stash.

These cars appeal to entirely different drivers and personalities with almost no middle ground.

And yeah, I'm jonesing for some snow.

eltonito

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> DuD! DS PWNS ur fagrrari lol

no_slushbox

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Andrewpetty: Damn, you make me laugh!: "It is a question of owning a piece of history vs. owning a piece of shit."

And I couldn't have said it better regarding DS: "I have a good working knowledge of automotive history and I appreciate vehicles that raised the bar for the entire industry and were significantly ahead of their time in both style and technical features."

So sounds like Neanderthals would prefer the 308 and Cro-Magnons and latter humanoids would go for the DS.

akirachan

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I can't vote; it would be a pointless exercise. I am fully aware that I lack some sensory or cognitive ability required to grasp the whole woo-ha over the Goddess, thus this poll. Others have tried to illuminate my understanding countless times, yet I still see just another ugly French turd. But what do I know? I thought the emperor was naked, too.

Tanshanomi

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @jonnylieberman:

Oh I hope you're not referring to my "what car part would you be for Halloween / hope to be reincarnated as" QOTD....blasphemy!

KingRoyale

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Uhh Ferrari vs Citroen??? yeah gimme the 308, Higgins

danio3834

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> DS. Easy. It is a question of owning a piece of history vs. owning a piece of shit.

In other words, both the DS and the 308 are mechanical turds by todays standards and neither is exceptionally fast by today's standards. So you have to base this decision on what the car says about the driver when he or she is driving it.

The Ferrari can say only one of two things:
1. I really like Ferraris but I cant afford to buy one of the good ones so I am stuck with the only awful design Pininfarina ever penned for Ferrari.
2. I really like the way Tom Selleck looks in short shorts.

The DS can say also say one of two things:
1. I have a good working knowledge of automotive history and I appreciate vehicles that raised the bar for the entire industry and were significantly ahead of their time in both style and technical features.
2. I am a douchebag who likes french things.

Even though the statement that one makes when driving the DS is not entirely appealing, it is clearly superior to what the Ferrari says about its driver.

For those of you who still believe that the Ferrari is a superior car, let me share some insight that I gained after my brief exposure to one.
1) It will not get you laid. Girls are born with an innate knowledge that this car is not cool.
2) It does not sound like a Ferrari. It sounds cool, but not as cool as the old ones or the new ones
3) If you break the rear windshield, it costs $1000 to replace.

Advantage DS.

Andrewpetty

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @cardesignmike: scratch that- agree with TURBOBRICK on the DS.

mikedrawcar

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Al Navarro: We really don't get that many.

Over the weekend we received two, but they were obviously penned by people who'd been drinking heavily.

Jonny Lieberman

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Oh come on! One's a fine Ferrari, not the best though. And one's a frickin' automotive landmark, a true, real deal icon!

One will get you Shelia circa 2007, the chick with the still-feathered hair, cigarette stained hand and track suit you had a crush on in shop class in 1977. The other will transport you right back to the Left Bank with a circa 1967 Brigitte Bardot in the passenger seat.

Vote DS for taste! Vote DS for class! Vote DS for...humanity!

b.borrman

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> the Ferrari- but only because I don't have anyone to chauffeur me in the DS yet.

But in all reality, it's like picking the hot but mind-numbingly dumb blonde over the smart girl next door who knows just what to do for you.

mikedrawcar

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Ok, ok... so the Moustache PI Express will pull more tail, but what quality tail? If I ever find a woman who appreciates the Citroen DS, I'll know I've found true bliss. So take your Ferrari C-Class down to the strip club and filter out the ladies whose looseness in virtue is only surpassed by the Ferrari co-branding team and leave the real women for us Citroeners.

jnostalgics

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @jonnylieberman:
And Jonny, how are you not swamped with QOTD submissions? It's like nearly the most commented/read thing on the Jalop! What reader doesn't want his/her name enshrined for at least 24 hours!

Al Navarro

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @pjsammy:

Are you kidding? That's all I consider.

pitchpitch Type-Я

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> No contest! At 6'2" tall and size 11 shoes, it has to be the DS for me.

One of the early fiberglass bodied GTB's would be tempting though. So much lighter than the later ones.

porscheman

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @graverobber: [Cue random Grey's Anatomy star, show cars being trailered around with crazy city lights reflecting off the paint]

In today's Question of the Day game, it's not about whether the car's stuck in the past, narrow rear tracks, hyrdromatic suspensions, or pop up headlights. No it's not about any of that.

In today's Question of the Day game, the real question is: When you turn your car on, does the fuel pump work?

Life Liberty and the Pursuit (of anything remotely resembling reliability)

Fitty7lax

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @2trips: That'd be the 308, immortalized in PJ O'Rourke's Republican Party Reptile.

@SeanKHotay: Yes, the mustache and gothic "D" are key.

ThnderbltDoherty

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> This question can be interpreted in at least two ways: A) which car would be better to drive, and B) which car would be a better ownership proposition?

And I hate to break the gallic truth to you all, but the Ferrari wins on both counts. Sure the DS would be like driving a floating cloud. And it looks about as good in a gallery as it does on the streets of Japan. But get a carb'd GTB and it might even have speed to match its go-fast looks. And the cam belt changes aren't half the nightmare I hear the Citroen hydraulics are.

Al Navarro

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @jonnylieberman: Well it's not actually a like/dislike issue. Red wine triggers a really sharp pain behind my jaw line (lymph nodes?). White wine is okay, but since I now have an association in my mind of wine = pain, I am not a fan.

TMI Tuesday is brought to you by Wal Mart.

LTDScott, Porcubimmer pilot

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I'll take the 308. And the DS for the wife. I'm the Magnum wanna-be cheap bastars and she's the funky cool "goddess". Seriously, I love iconic cars. For its era nothing says sports car more than the Ferrari.

lemondriver

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I'd take the 308 because I'm afraid the DS is just too much of an exotic for me. It's the automotive equivalent of an uncomfortably bizarre fetish porn flick.

TurboBrick

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @ThnderbltDoherty: I'm with P.J. here...that, and the DS doesn't come with a mustache nor Tigers cap...

SeanKHotay

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> While I'd love to have a 308, its performance isn't that stellar by modern standards. And since I think you'd pull more quality birds with the DS by a factor of ten, well, it wins. Sorry, Ferrari.

MarionCobretti

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The Citroën DS is just timeless and classic - ready to take you into the retrofuture. The DS makes me think of the film Alphaville. The Ferrari 308 makes me think of Magnum, P.I. which is stuck in the 80s.

Triborough

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @ThnderbltDoherty: is that car the DS or the 308? both of them seem very good, for that purpose.

2trips

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> 308. Either car in the garage will continue to age gracefully, but the 308 holds the mystique of the Ferrari brand. The Citroen is an amazing machine, built by people who had a unique perspective on transportation. I think the primary deciding factor would be - how does the car make you feel while driving, or even standing beside it. In that light the 308 would be the better car because I'd rather be breathing the history of racing than the technological pinnacle of a particular era.

graverobber- It says Loud Pipes Save Lives

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> it is a tie between a ferrari and a citroen. your head asplode.

2trips

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @THNDERBLTDOHERTY: You make a very great point.

peakay

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> In 1957 the French Philosopher Roland Barthes wrote of the DS:

"The D.S. - the 'Goddess' - has all the features ..... of one of those objects from another universe which have supplied fuel for the neomania of the eighteenth century and that of our own science-fiction: the Deesse is first and foremost a new Nautilus ."

A vote against the DS is a vote against all that is good in the world.

Pete Gaines

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Style vs. Cliche. OMG that car is so fing cool versus you wanna-be-Magnum-PI cheap bastard.

I voted SM.

peakay

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Ah, you have found my weakness. It may not be the ultimate anything, but as a malaise era relic myself, the 308 will always be the first picture that pops up in my head when I think "Ferrari." The Citroen is cool and interesting, but neither it nor just about anything else will top the Ferrari on my personal "I want one" list.

Vizzini

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Hey, when it comes to driving fast on drugs while getting my wing-wang squeezed, all without spilling my drink, there's only one car for me.

ThnderbltDoherty

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The 308 with the padded-walls interior of the DS. Oh yeah.

Heep

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @LTDScott: You don't like wine?

Jonny Lieberman

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Based on the definition of "superior to another (of the same class or set or kind) in excellence or quality or desirability or suitability; more ..." I'd have to say,..BOTH! Desirability = Ferrari. Suitability = depends on the task at hand. Execellence or Quality = DS. As you can see, it depends upon what thou art undertaking.

Ultimate accessory for the Miami Vice costume? Ferrari. Picking up the has-been, hair-band groupies of the 80's? Ferarri!

Odd Ball daily driver with an un-surpassed ride quality? DS. Ultimate PCH? DS

Both have their merits.

Sloop_John_B

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> DS. It's cool, funky and classy.

Pixel

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> The Citroen is timeless beauty, comfortable in any company. The Ferrari is timeless sexy, always unabashed in its fuckme dress.

Today, given the ridiculously high-maintenance aspects of both, I'll take the athletic mistress over the poised girlfriend.

beercheck

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> It seems like the 308 fans are loud and outspoken (and most of them probably sport moustaches). While the DS voters are quiet, content to let their continental snobbery do the talking, either that or they're too busy eating wine and cheese.

trlstanc

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @skaz:Gotta keep the audience in mind. Underaged big-hair Jersey girls down at the mall would definitely be lured by the 308. The DS, not so much.

Beluga

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> A little tutorial please! How can you tell the red Citroen is a DS instead of an ID? Thanks

Murph

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> @Teds: I'm pretty sure you'd score more chicks with the Citroen.

And besides, the Ferrari doesn't even have a back seat.

skaz

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I already have a mustache and a Hawaiian shirt. I do not have a beret or like wine. Case closed.

LTDScott, Porcubimmer pilot

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> C'mon, Magnum drove a 308! Maybe some French girl visiting the island would have a DS, and he'd nail her as he was solving her father's murder, but that'd be it.

The DS is cool in a whacky, oddball Eurocar sort of way, but man, it ain't no Ferrari.

squablow

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I always thought of the 308 kind of like the Porsche 914 and 924: The result of a broken marketing deal with a mass-market brand. Didn't the Fiat Dino beget the 308? Didn't it spend years getting kicked around as "not a real Ferrari" by those V12-only assholes? The fact that you can find well-maintained examples daily on eBay for the price of a new Solstice speaks volumes.

Say what you will about the DS, but it is--if anything--a pure idea committed to steel. Probably too much for most people . . .

Beluga

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> 308 GTB Obviously... The DS is way cool but in a funky cruiser sort of way. The 308 is a low slung sports car that is fun to drive and looks the business. Plus ask any (Non French) girl which she would rather go on a date with you in... That seals it.

Teds

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> 308. Hopefully I can have one by the time I'm 30. And have it running again by the time I retire.

Fitty7lax

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I vote the 308 as the car I'd most likely catapult directly into the middle of the Abu Dhabi Ferrari Theme Park on opening day.

POLAЯ

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> i like that the vote is almost tied between a ferrari and an old french sedan. This is why this is the only good automotive site on the web pretty much.

Mrb00st

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> For what it's worth, the Citroen is mid-engined. Citroens will always win these debates, as far as I'm concerned. They may be the only cars more challenging to own than anything made in Italy, and the DS in particular just has so much damn style.

Paul Y. can't think of a better, shorter handle

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> DS. No, I don't know why and don't ask me either - it's just how the world has to be or otherwise horrible things will happen.

Madness (Possibly Sparta, maybe baggy trousers.)

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> Geez, this woulda been easy 10 years ago...NO question 308 GTB, but since I have a different taste now I voted for te DS since it seems more "exotic" or "erotic" to me now, with its Hydro-pneumatic suspension and all...And the DS seems timeless compared to the 308...Kinda like those old Burlesque dancers from the twenties.

akirachan

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> GTB - as much as I like the DS, there are a number of other cars I'd rather own to replace it's many fun n funky attributes.

KingRoyale

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> better? you're hurting my brain...

TeacherSnake

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> French power!

skaz

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> You can't discount the Magnum factor.

pjsammy

]]> <![CDATA[Ferrari 308 GTB vs. Citroen DS]]> I don't care which Ferrari it is, it wins.

rawtoast

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