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2010 Porsche Panamera - Showing Us A Wing, No Prayer In Sight

angrypirate06 — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:42:07 EDT

Remember, this "thing" is going to go up against the Rapide. Good luck.

angrypirate06

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Stoatmaster — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:01:51 EDT

@Mike Spinelli:

Thank you greatly for that, Mr. S.

Is it just me, or doesn't this look pretty neat?

As mentioned earlier, ideally needs the signature rear side window curve, but even so...

Stoatmaster

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motornetnews — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:53:38 EDT

A four-door Porsche is about as crazy as a Porsche SAV (that's Suburban Assault Vehicle) - oops, they already made one of those didn't they!

motornetnews

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Maymar the technophobe — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:22:41 EDT

@Turboner: Bad thing? I love it! I'm just sayin, when your whole design theme is based around something iconic, rather than a timelessly great design, a misstep or two like this may be aren't such a big deal. If the Panamera is as Bruce as every other Porsche, all will be well (and every time I'll see that name, I'll want to drive one whilst blasting Van Halen's Panama).

Maymar the technophobe

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Liam_Gallagher — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:04:07 EDT

That is the ugliest car I have ever seen in my life.

Liam_Gallagher

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mtboxster00 — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:02:05 EDT

This version looks like an old 911 limo a friend of mine produced just for fun. He took an 89 and stretched the body and tweeked the doors from a 928 for the rear doors. Installed bucket seats and voila. This looks very similar.

mtboxster00

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JRL — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:17:19 EDT

I'm dismayed.
Being a Porsche owner for nearly 40 years, I'm disturbed by this aberition.
Amazingly ugly, it borders on the obcene.
While it may drive like a Porsche (I sure it will) what's the point?
Anyone with over a 100K large to spend just might want a car that's good looking.....

JRL

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FЯeeMan is slowly cЯawling out of the new commenting system — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:15:47 EDT

since everyone's been complaining about the butt, I took a closer look. No, there's no engine there, but you do need some space for luggage, so it's gotta have some heft to it. It could taper a bit more to make it slimmer looking, but then you compromise luggage space.

Also, in this [jalopnik.com] picture, it looks like the backup lamp part of the light cluster is higher on the left side than the right side. Are they still testing positions? Is this on purpose to throw off perceptions? Is it just an illusion from the angle? Why do the backup lights look like white bandaids?

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delsydsoftware — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:23:29 EDT

For some reason, the rear-end looks like a stretched-out Ford Contour to me. I like the front, though. It looks sort-of Aston-Martin-esque. Give me a two-door version of that car with a a shorter wheelbase and better back-end, and I'm sold.

delsydsoftware

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LuciferV8 — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:01:54 EDT

@Mikael: I don't know about the engine belonging there, but I do know an FR Porsche coupe will be sweet. As far as the sedan goes, I think it was tastefully done (I thank all that is good they didn't create a resurrected Crossfire). Interestingly enough, the FR coupe may end up outhandling the Carrera. I just hope they throw in lots of power so the car reaches its full, unrestricted potential. With that in mind, if there are any Porsche execs listening: If the FR coupe beats the Carrera, the profits will still land in Stuttgart. If the FR coupe is intentionally given a weak engine, we all lose. One more thing: for the love of god, BUILD THIS ONE TO BE RELIABLE. The old 928 lasts like it was made in China by a team of stoners huffing starting fluid while working with one hand tied behind their backs.

LuciferV8

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Mike Spinelli — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:35:32 EDT

@Stoatmaster: Here you go...Discuss.

[www.germancarzone.com]

Mike Spinelli

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freude-am-fahren — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:38:18 EDT

These photos have a really strange aspect ratio -- have they been resized?

freude-am-fahren

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Shapeshifter — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:27:14 EDT

What??

I remember some concept art... i remember it being kind of attractive...

But...

What happened in between that and this?

Shapeshifter

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Stoatmaster — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:22:04 EDT

A couple of years ago a UK publication printed a picture of Britains ideal car.

The readers voted for their favourite bits of each car, and the whole thing was photoshopped together.

The result was a saloon car with a Porsche front.

I think it had a Jag mid-section, Lexus rear, and some utterly random wheels.

If anyone could dig it out...

Stoatmaster

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Turboner — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:07:22 EDT

@Maymar: You say that like it's a bad thing ;)

Turboner

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Maymar the technophobe — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:20:48 EDT

It's not exactly pretty (it doesn't appear to be cohesive enough to even be considered attractive), but it's not the ambomination that the Cayenne was, and given how well Porsche engineered an SUV, this should turn out even better (although it'd be more badass if that 911-esque ass housed an engine).

Besides, Porsche's whole design theme is derived from the original VW Bug.

Maymar the technophobe

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junkman — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:52:43 EDT

@papercutninja: The Tatra (at least the eight cylinder model) was very luxurious and costly. In fact, WWII German officers made it their staff car of choice after the invasion of Czechoslovakia. Their inability to handle the rear engine caused so many German casualties that the cars became infamous to the Allies.

As a longtime 356 and early 911 owner, I like the Panamera design. The engine is just in the wrong location.

junkman

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Mikael — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:29:02 EDT

As a rabid FR Porsche fan the coupe version of this will be sweet. But not the saloon.

All hail Porsche putting the engine back where it belongs.

Mikael

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MeMikeYouNot — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:16:12 EDT

I think Porsche is just using this mule to test the running gear etc. They will unwrap the gorgeous new body at one of the major car shows shortly before production begins.

...won't they? won't they? Please tell me this ain't no Porsche.

MeMikeYouNot

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Unregular — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:13:14 EDT

it's no Cayman!

I will forever call this car the "panarama"

Unregular

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Jalopnik = opportunists — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:01:46 EDT

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MS Paint Hack 924

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RalphieDC — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:49:04 EDT

while I don't think this is the pettiest girl at the dance at least it's different.... are we sure it a Porsche and not a Citroen, they are usually the only ones will to go this far into odd styling.

RalphieDC

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Fitty7lax — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:28:51 EDT

way I look at it, let Porsche make crazy cars like this. Like was said before, some poser somewhere will buy it, giving Porsche more money to research and build badder pure sports cars.

Fitty7lax

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skaz — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:40 EDT

@Speedie: Who cares? It looks a gazillion times better.

skaz

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Speedie — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:58:12 EDT

@Miscellanea: thats great, but where does the cool little retractable wing go?

Speedie

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Miscellanea — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:32:17 EDT

@Ray Wert:
Go right ahead. Just rehost it please.

Miscellanea

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Rabbi Dave — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:27:10 EDT

if it's front engine wouldn't that rear be a hatchback? I'd think you wouldn't need a wagon if it's a hatch with folding rear seats. It could be pretty practical.

Rabbi Dave

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MER — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:25:45 EDT

I see an Infiniti J30. The whole treatment looks early 90's.

MER

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Ray Wert — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:24:08 EDT

@Miscellanea: Ha! That's excellent. Mind if we use it?

Ray Wert

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Mad_Science — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:21:56 EDT

@Miscellanea: Works for me.

Oh, wait...I don't make that kind of money. Never mind.

Mad_Science

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Miscellanea — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:13:16 EDT

Here's my quick rendering of what the Panamera Wagon could look like thanks to my gratuitous use of the pic from Jalopnik and KGP:

[i98.photobucket.com]

It certainly starts to help ease the ass end a bit, but becomes the dodge magnum of porsche, which isn't so bad.

Miscellanea

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Papercutninja — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:03:13 EDT

@TomAnderson:

Uh...the Tatra is hardly a luxury car. That's sort of the point of the Panamera. A mouth-breathing hedge-fund manager is not going to be riding in a communist-era rattle can. No matter HOW ironic it is.

Papercutninja

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Vega — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:59:42 EDT

@STEEL_ETC:

The rear windowline is camouflaged. If ou look hard enough, you can see the real outline...

Vega

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Neil Block — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:47:14 EDT

One thing can be said for certain... this car will sell like hotcakes.

Neil Block

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SwatLax — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:45:36 EDT

@Mikael: Did someone say podcast *Hint Hint, Spinelli*

SwatLax

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HoubaHouba! — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:43:53 EDT

@yellofury: Like this? [jalopnik.com]

HoubaHouba!

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Mikael — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:43:51 EDT

I just threw up.....a lot.

I was really hoping that theory from on the Jalop's podcasts about it being a dummy body 'German Humor' but this is really disgusting.

Mikael

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yellofury * * * * * — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:28:17 EDT

If the roofline flowed with the rear windows then it
would probably look alot better
it just seems too chunky from the C pillars back

I guess the times call for a sedan than a proper sports tourer...

yellofury * * * * *

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brownie — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:27:39 EDT

I second that - it doesn't seem hideous to me, just kind of unimaginative. Some views hint at serious potential, I think (basically any view that hides the profile of the trunk area). I feel like there are a lot of small changes that could make big improvements, so maybe the production version will be a bit more interesting.

To my eyes it's a lot nicer than the Cayenne, frankly. Not a great Porsche, but not the worst thing they've ever built.

brownie

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Tomsk — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:13:07 EDT

@Papercutninja: Guess someone's never heard of Tatra: [en.wikipedia.org])
Note that they were making ass-engined (and air-cooled V8-powered!) sedans as late as 1999! If that, combined with the whole Eastern European thing, doesn't make the T700 JFG nominee material, please tell me what does.

Also, call me crazy, but the Panamera doesn't seem as awful as it does, well, uninspired, to my eye.

Tomsk

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Eric Merrill — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:11:12 EDT

Eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Eric Merrill

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Speedie — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:08:22 EDT

@jsforbes: I have been struggling to say exactly what you have...well put.

Speedie

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Mad_Science — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:07:00 EDT

Looks like it's trying to awkwardly split the difference between the 911 and a full sedan.

The front end isn't awful, but the rear looks like it's almost rear-engined.

I'm sure that was some designer's take on "capturing the rear-drive heritage" in the styling cues, but in reality it looks like a poopy diaper dragging on the floor.

And the pop-up spoiler's just not doin it for me. Porsche dudes can correct me, but I thought the pop-up was mainly to help with airflow/cooling at speed, not just downforce...? (Which, if true, makes the pop-up a really dumb idea on a front-engined car)

+1 on the wagon...but then again, the slightest dream of performance wagons gets me all hot and bothered.

Mad_Science

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jsforbes — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:03:59 EDT

Looks like a stretched G35 from the front and side. The rear has a kind of Korean awkwardness. Fugly.

jsforbes

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goatrope — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:02:40 EDT

Porsche is boldly charting a new marketing strategy: positioning the cheapest models (Boxster, Cayman) as the "halo cars" and the expensive vehicles for the gold-chains-and-chest-hair crowd.

I suppose if you had to have a Porsche as your daily driver, and that included taking the kiddies to school, you could do worse.

goatrope

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obbie — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:54:00 EDT

how they get these shots:
"excuse me sir... will just stop the car right there, i need to get some spy shots. hold that pose, ok perfect, now turn the wheels to the right a little more. Brilliant! excellent shot. just one more and i think that will be enough. Thanks for ur cooperation."

obbie

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HoubaHouba! — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:53:34 EDT

Mercedes SLR? The pop-up wing has been a Porsche thing since at least the 964. Dorky for a front-engine sedan, though.

While not a 989, the Panamera does seem to have the same relationship to the current 911 that the 989 had to the 993. The 989 was front engined, too. At least for the Panamera there exists a front engined platform to build on. Front engine does buy more useful luggage space.

I agree on the styling comments. The rear side window is awkward, which is too bad since that rear window-fender area is a great signature 911 element. The rear door cut line is not as elegant as the 989s and overall the back of the car looks a little chunky. Given the recent X6 pix maybe this is a new Cherman styling trend?

Overall, it's not a car that I'd buy but I'm an aircooled guy and not rich.

At least it's not an SUV.

HoubaHouba!

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angrypirate06 — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:49:16 EDT

@Retiree:
So well put! This "car" is so incredibly fugly. That bottom right picture makes me want to kill myself. How can they get the proportions SO wrong?

And Miscellanea, a wagon does make more sense...

angrypirate06

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Miscellanea — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:39:53 EDT

Why not just make it a wagon? It would certainly look much better to have a Cayenne/wagon ass than this.

Miscellanea

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Papercutninja — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:26:33 EDT

Rear engine in a sedan isn't necessarily workable. As it is, a lot of these cars will become passenger cars, like the Maserati Quattroporte, no matter the sporting heritage/abilities. A stuffed-shirt who is being driven around will not be happy with a hi-po engine rumbling behind his expensive head.

Papercutninja

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FЯeeMan is slowly cЯawling out of the new commenting system — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:22:42 EDT

Looks like a 996 got run through the taffy puller.

nice G'NR ref. Sigh, for the 80s, when Porsches needed nothing more than the wind in their heads...

Oh, sure, they're way more profitable now, so much so, they're buying other companies, yeah, those profits allow them to make radder & more insane GT2s, but still....

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Steel_ETC — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:21:27 EDT

@SwatLax: Engine is in the front. The Panamera likely uses the same engines as the Cayenne, but I don't think anyone knows whether the car has a front or rear-mounted transmission.

Also, Porsche at one point had old 928 bodies on several of their Panamera drivetrain development mules; a new 928 might be only non-sour fruit to hopefully emerge from this program.

Steel_ETC

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SwatLax — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:13:20 EDT

I can't remember: is this rear or front engined?

If its front, why on earth would they have that crazy half-a-wagon butt?

SwatLax

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Steel_ETC — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:11:34 EDT

It boggles the mind to think that Porsche can get the styling so wrong on this car. Look at the C-pillar in the profile shot; the random upsweep of the lower window edge that doesn't even line up with the rear glass is just gross. Also, if they're trying so hard to get a reasonably classic Porsche silhouette, why not just make the car rear-engined with a flat-six? A rear-engined sedan would be incredible and probably cheaper to develop as well.

Steel_ETC

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ZeGerman — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:08:44 EDT

Not so pretty. I'm not worried about their motoring prestige (Squablow), mostly because the 911 is basically the most dominant car in the GT classes right now, and looks to be for a while.

Plus, everyone hated the Cayenne when it came out, but I'm pretty excited to see that thing rip across Siberia in the Rally Transsiberia coming up in a week or so. Brings back memories of the 959 Dakar rally car.

ZeGerman

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Speedie — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:04:25 EDT

@squablow: HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF MY PORSCHE THAT WAY! Ah screw it, your probably right.

Speedie

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squablow — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:02:12 EDT

Wow, that's ugly. My prediction? Porsche will sell lots of these to posers, then continue to water down it's sports car heritage for another 20 years until Porsche is just another Oldsmobile/Mercury/Plymouth. Maybe they'll even make a minivan or a pickup truck.

squablow