But yeah, throw enough money at raceprepping one, and you've a formidable GT if you can swallow the extra running costs. The turbo six would be great in a tubeframed, RWD silhouette car, tho...

velocecrat

@jonnylieberman: My vote was contingent upon being able to vote in the 959, just so you know. When do we put one in? Don't tell me we can't, or I'll stop shaving my junk.

Turboner

As a Countach-poster-on-wall person turned Skyline GT-R fanatic... well... uh, i see some of us have wisely been spared from making a hideous mistake and voting "no", again. Good call.

I had to vote R34, simply because of the Z-tune. Otherwise it would have to be R32. The R32 was built so Nissan could go racing, but then it turned into a legend on the street. Because of what the car stands for the biggest, baddest, and most insane GT-R is the one we're looking for. And that's (not really but kind of) the R34 Z-tune. I mean, if this was "Jalopnik Historical Importance Garage" then sure we'd have the R32. The race legend (winning not just individual races but entire racing series and specifications) and the start of the street legend.

But it isn't, it's "Jalopnik Fantasy Garage". And for the ultimate fantasy we need the ultimate Skyline--so ultimate they had actually stopped making them when they made it, so to speak!

Of course, if we're not strictly limited to Nissan's cars then the MiNE'S R34 "ultimate response machine" is the one we're looking for. Anything that can reduce experienced racing drivers to muttered expletives and fear--a car that legitimately lays claim to "ultimate"--is exactly the sort of thing we want in the Jalopnik Fantasy Garage! It's probably too scary for any real garages, anyway. I mean, it has (as i understand it) 600 bhp when you get it from MiNE'S and it's not tuned strictly for horsepower and the understanding is that the customer will tune it further in for whatever that particular customer wants or needs.

You might think even the stupendously expensive fantasy cars--the McLaren F1, for instance--would be faster, but you would be wrong. The MiNE'S R34 does Tsukuba in something like 57 seconds. The F1 does it in 64 seconds. It and the Veyron can have their own corner of the garage, they'd probably beat up all the other cars when our backs were turned anyway. We'd just come in one morning find dismembered bumpers and doors laying around the garage and those two trying to look innocent, otherwise.

@velocecrat:
The point of the techno whatsits? How about the part where the car destroyed entire race series wherever anyone was foolish enough to allow it to compete? Yes, in 4wd form.

Shapeshifter

jnostalgics

Also, I've heard people claim that the RB26DETT engine has been sucesfully put in 240SXes, which, with lighter weight, pure RWD, and left hand drive, could possibly be even more fun than a Skyline.

no_slushbox

The_Finn

Butch.
Evil.
Awesome.

In my opinion, the Japanese incarnation of Bruce. And so very anti-social looking here, which is even more bitchin'.

evoCS is possibly NSFW

BTW, it's possible to buy an R32 for less than 20,000 in Australia these days.

Topher_

And I voted for the R32, since it's a little more desireable than the old Skyline (however cool it may be), and the other two are just minor evolutions of the R32.

Maymar is convinced M.C. Escher engineered his car

jdepould

zolielo

I wasnt comparing the 3800 to the RB26DETT, i was comparing it to the VQ35. But yes, it is preferrable in some apps.

@no_slushbox: Yes, once you forcefully induct a smaller engine like the ecotec, itll make good power. Forced induction engines look great on paper.

However Id never suggest the turbo ecotec could fill in duty for the 3800, 2 completely different powerbands designed for 2 different apps. The Turbo Ecotec can potentially make more power and get better mileage than a GM Vortec 6000, but you wouldnt run an ecotec in your Silverado HD. Its a lot of work for little displacement.

Also, the VQ in the Altima requires premium to make advertised HP. can run fine on regular, but wont make 270hp.

danio3834

Tomsk the red-nosed reindeer

[www.youtube.com]

Watching this, I'm thinking Skylines were really great before they went heavy with the gratuitous techno gimmickry. 4WD on a car that's too big to rally? What's the reason for that? 'Ridiculously advanced' electronic systems? Why? How 'bout making it six hundred pounds lighter and making it scream some lound-ass, carb-fed, straight-six ripping-cloth goodness? Ya. Like Sabbath and the Stones, the early stuff's the best.

velocecrat

Also, why are you using a photo of the GT-X rather than that the GT-R? It's not half as impressive to look at without the bolt on guards!

Anyhow, just like our comrades JapaneseNostalgicCar, it's a legal requirement for us at grandJDM.com to vote for the C10 - of course, we would whether it were law or not!

[grandJDM.com]

grandJDM

no_slushbox

The R34 is one of those cars that will always make anyone think twice before staring you out on the line - it has an intangible sense of peril, like a rattlesnake or panther, and you involuntarily feel it always has a little bit more power than you, no matter how much you actually have :)

Kuang

Although I don't really like how any Skyline looks, and Gran Turismo has made it into a little bit of a cliche, I would still love to drive any one of these machines. Any of the 20-odd Skyline variants in Gran Turismo would fit in the JFG well.

discontinuuity

While the VQ gives up nothing in power, torque or fuel economy to the 3800 I'm sure that the uneven firing, 90 degree 3800 must cost significantly less to make than the VQ, which is something that it should be given credit for.

@danio3834: The GM turbo ecotec kills the 3800 and compares well with the VQ output while getting better mileage, but it does require/suggest premium (the better mileage more than makes up for the extra gas cost).

no_slushbox

What is the status on the legality of the R34 and R32 skylines imported to the US i thought Motorex only legalized the R33 and was registering all their skylines as R33's regardless of actual generation.

The_Finn

MagnificentBastard

It's good to have the C10 there, but it's kind of unfair. Totally different car. You might as well throw up a rally-prep Datsun 510 and vote on that, too.

brandegee

tyndago

peakay

That takes balls. Huge frigging balls.

Also, we'll find those Iraqi WMDs any day now.

Jonny Lieberman

I've seen a couple R34s in the Los Angeles area, but never when somebody was driving.

Mokers

The_Finn

The_Finn

your an idiot.

MagnificentBastard

Nissan always maintained 2 different lines of sports cars. - The Fairlady Z, for the budget conscious, and the much more expensive, upmarket Skyline. In the Skyline's heyday, the downmarket Z got the V6. The-no-holds-barred Skyline got the I6, the way things should be. That ended with the V35 Skyline/Infiniti G35, and while it made economical sense to rationalize production a la Carlos Ghosn, I hope no one is suggesting the G35 is in the same league as the RB powered Skylines now, right?

tentacles

Again the US hp vs the Japan HP. Your moms GP has a much lower powerband that is more useful in low end pulling and booting around town. (torque). The VQ is a high revver you have to ring out to get all the HP. Youll notice the GM 3.8 and Nissan 3.5 get around the same mpg, but to get hp outa the VQ u gotta use premium also.

2 different engines for 2 different apps.

danio3834

Grib

Of all the "unofficial" Skylines then it would have to be the Mines R34 - [uk.youtube.com]

Glorious.

st3ph3n

jdepould

I think comparatively speaking. The RB26DETT is a supercar engine. The VQ is a sports car engine. I doubt any offence was meant.

Papercutninja

I guess the people have spoken with regard to the GNX, but I call dibbs on whatever GT-R gets chosen.

no_slushbox

superbmtsub

danms6

harumph

I've seen it.Its a very firm ass whoppin..

MagnificentBastard

And yeah, why is the VQ engine lame? I love mine.

rawtoast

The_Finn

akier

jdepould

harumph

Since when does a Skyline qualify as rice?

By the way, if you feel that passionate about it,please tell the drivers of the plague that is the V6 mustangs with cheap exhausts and dubs that have decended apon the south side of chicago to swallow a pistol. Don't even get me started on the neons with the omnimax light shows underneath.Bad taste in automotive accessories is a universal problem,not just with the hondas.When i see a corvette should the first thing in my mind be Larry the cable guy?

MagnificentBastard

harumph

NoneMoreBlack

However, the KPGC110 GT-R (http://www.japanesenostalgiccar.com/picture.cgi?section=events&article=tas2007&picnum=32) , the famous "Kenmeri" Skyline named after the fictional Juppie couple (jupple was just too many words to combine) that starred in the car's long running TV ads, was a completely different generation from the C10.

It was the fourth, in fact, which makes the C10 the the third, and the 1957 Prince Skyline the "original." Ok, we know you probably meant to say "original GT-R" but there's so much murky information out there in the Series of Tubes that we thought we'd chime in and pontificate a li'l.

This past April happened to be the 50th Anniversary of the Skyline, and in the creatively-named Midtown Park in Tokyo, Nissan pulled out one example from each of the 12 generations of Skyline to display:
[www.japanesenostalgiccar.com]

Of course, none of this changes the fact that the Skyline is a true legend, and there should be room in the JFG for both a C10 AND an R32. Yes, that's right, 1/25th of the world's most desirable cars!

jnostalgics

Hilarious Hilario!

I would like to point out that like the E30 M3 and Audi Ur Quattro the R32 was sold as a road car only because it was required to go racing. It is a stripped down no frills race car for the road. Later generations just like the M3 got heavier and fatter and more diluted by trying to appeal to the masses.

The_Finn

because the GNX is Lord Vader's car, because it is the definition of menace, and just pure unbridled awesomeness...the Skyline as awesome as it may be just puts me in mind of all the little rice boys who run around w/ fart can exhausts, and negative camber on their wheels, and have cars with annoying stickers and wings and lights festooned everywhere....which is why I voted for the C-10 GT-R also its pretty, and it doesn't put me in mind of ricers, and that example that BZR posted a link to is only 40 g's which seems like quite a steal...

clashtastic

We were both going about 80 mph and the freeway was empty. We looked at each other, nodded, and then dropped our respective hammers.

I may as well have been driving a dump truck.

Jonny Lieberman

I dont know about you, but i dont have the 'Ring in my back yard. I do have a 1/4 mile not far away tho.

danio3834

Doesn't count? Fine then the C10's the prettiest of the bunch.

mint-e

DuraAce

tentacles

You should probably go and fix that.

djsyndrome

tentacles

aychseven

Papercutninja

Papercutninja

A lot of people forget that 300 American HP is different than 300 Japanese HP.

American HP is usually accompanied by torque.

danio3834

rawtoast

And the Countach.

Jonny Lieberman

But the R34 will always be my first choice.

Mischif

Cause the GNX ROXX!

The GNX has just as much potential as the Skyline, if not more.

danio3834

oh dear god..

MagnificentBastard

But thats all beside the point.

R33 400R, of course.

danio3834

Seriously though R32.

Gabe Balch

MagnificentBastard

2trips

SCROGGZILLA RAIDS AGAIN!!

R-34 in the garage for me. One of the cars where the best was the last..

WheatKing

Some people may wonder why the soon to arrive next gen Skyline isn't up there (obviously the fantasy garage could obtain a pre-production model), but I think that the R34 was the pinnacle of the Skline with its super potential cast-iron inline-6 instead of the corporate VQ engine.

The question is whether the less developed but more historically important and race winning R32 should be there instead (I think the R32 looks better also). The R34 is more famous, but I think the R32 is more significant, and more impressive since it was so advanced back in 1989, so I vote for the R32.

So lets see, in 1989 Nissan got as much power out of a 2.6 liter engine as Buick got out of a 3.8 liter engine in 1987, plus the Nissan had a revolutionary awd system in a rigid all independent suspension monoque chassis. Why is the GNX in the garage again?

no_slushbox

[www.flickr.com]

Sorry for the meager photo, I was distracted by the lineup of 20 Ford GTs. Such is the display every Saturday at Cars& Coffee in Irvine. Why doesn't Jalopnik ever make a visit?!

Xman

you call the Z mucking about?????? BLASPHEMY!!

R34 Nismo all the way.

Fitty7lax

Jonny Lieberman

akier

MagnificentBastard

Skylines are awesome, right? And we all know that old cars are usually more awesome than new cars in terms of coolness and balls-out unsafe motoring. So thusly, by this derivation, an old Skyline is awesome enough to tear open the fabric of the universe.

I don't know where you got that 4-door one from, but try this on for size.

Old Jap cars in general don't have that irritating Fast and Furious stigma anyway, so that's another plus. It doesn't hurt that the KPGC10 looks subtly aggressive and perfectly proportioned at the same time, especially on those pretty Minilitesque wheels.

Oh, and here's one for sale. Sell your house, it's worth it.

bzr

girraffesack

RalphieDC

JosJos

kekekeke

I mean, come on, by the time the Z-tune came out skylines had been out of production for a bit, so Nissan had to go out, buy used ones, strip them down and rebuild them. That's like getting 2 cars (maybe 3 considering how good it is).

Plus there's only 20 of them, how could you pass up the chance to grab one?

trlstanc

As we will the new Civic Type-R, which you are also not allowed to have, apparently.

Anyway, I was the 1 vote so far for the C10, on the grounds of it being the prettiest.

Stoatmaster

SwatLax

damnelantra™