Jalopnik Reviews: 2007 Ford Expedition EL, Part 1 - Jalopnik Comments

Jalopnik Reviews: 2007 Ford Expedition EL, Part 1

supermike3 — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:48:45 EST

and i am utterly shocked that you find exception in my taking exception to travelling on a highway at triple digits in this fucking behemoth. utterly.

supermike3

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RocketScientist — Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:45:28 EST

There is nothing inherently 'unsafe' about speed. I'm utterly shocked that you would bother reading any enthusiast materials.

RocketScientist

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iamjames — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:54:25 EST

wow... *note to jalopnik staff: never mention speeding in land barge again*

iamjames

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supermike3 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:31:17 EST

please stop admiring my spunk.

supermike3

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imoody — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:19:27 EST

Thankyou, supermike2, although you're not doing a very good job of it so far. I give you an A for effort, and a D- for execution, but not an F because I admire your sarcasm and spunk.

imoody

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supermike3 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:06:42 EST

thank imoody! i'll certainly post the WAY YOU TELL ME TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

supermike3

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Jonny Lieberman — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 16:01:03 EST

Don't know -- at one point I turned to my firend and said, "we're going 100mph" to which he said, "feels like 70mph."

Jonny Lieberman

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drewheyman — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:56:48 EST

Instead of el barge, i say you should call the thing el debarge. Hop in, drive around, rock "Rhythm of the Night" on the stereo, write, print.

done and done.

and is the expedition governed at 99, or at 109, just out of curiousity?

drewheyman

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Jonny Lieberman — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:34:25 EST

We were in the car pool lane following two FBI Suburbans on a very straight road.

I cannot imagine a safer way to travel.

Jonny Lieberman

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Emor8t — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:26:40 EST

I like my argument best:

I speed all the time, and I have not killed anyone yet, therefore speeding does not kill people.

Emor8t

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imoody — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:24:52 EST

Nowhere is it mentioned that said highway was crowded. Also, supermike, your point would be better made with less hysterical capitalizations and multiple exclamation marks.

On a crowded highway - not safe.

On a high with light to no traffic - safe-ish, insofar as driving an Expedition at speeds over 50mph is safe at all.

imoody

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supermike3 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:17:51 EST

3-ton EXPEDITION ELXT!!! going an AVERAGE of 90mph on a crowded highway (so it's seeing triple digits at points) - safe or not?

supermike3

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imoody — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:13:27 EST

No, supermike2, he's saying you can measure "levels of impairment based on BAC". Also, good luck not dying, let alone driving a car, with a BAC of .34%.

Looking over your post again, I'm forced to raise the obvious question of speeding drunk drivers. Are they classified as just drunk? Or both? If both, that kinda throws your whole argument down the clap-trap clap trapper. You clapper.

imoody

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imoody — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 15:06:58 EST

What Jon_Furst said, supermike2.

I vote for speed limits being completely arbitrary, seeing as how, for instance, a Volkwagen GTi, with a competent driver, traveling at 5-10mph above the posted speed limit is irrefutably safer than a Suburban traveling at the speed limit. To other people, anyway.

imoody

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supermike3 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:47:51 EST

Jon_Furst:

Firstly, you can't measure levels of impairment based on BAC? A .08 is the same as a .18 is the same as a .34?

supermike3

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supermike3 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:41:35 EST

Hey, fine! Speed away! Arbitrarily! Be my guest!

supermike3

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Jon_Furst — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:20:34 EST

supermike2, there are all sorts of flaws with your argument, but let's just start with the big ones.

First, you've drawn no distinctions between speeders at all, lumping someone going 5 miles per hour over the limit with someone doing twice the posted limit. You've then compared this to drivers with a defined range of impairment.

Secondly, you haven't compared the relative populations of your groups. How many speeders are there compared to how many drunks? Off the top of my head, I'd say there may be a few orders of magnitude more speeders than drunks on the road, which would imply that speeding is far, far less dangerous than drinking and driving.

Jon_Furst

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Jonny Lieberman — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:16:32 EST

So, how about all the drivers in pre-Clinton America who drove 70mph in 55s?

Were they blood-thirsty murderers?

or are speed-limits completely arbitrary?

Jonny Lieberman

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supermike3 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 14:07:53 EST

Earlier this year, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration NHTSA http://www.nhtsa.gov/ released its updated Traffic Safety Fact Sheets for 2005.

In this report, it is evident that Nationally, and in California, fatalities associated with speeding drivers are equal to or out-number fatalities associated with drunk drivers, or drivers who had a BAC (Blood Alcohol Content) of .08 or greater.

supermike3

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Jonny Lieberman — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:50:54 EST

Oh please.

Jonny Lieberman

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Rob P — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:40:26 EST

Speeding isn't the problem, its weaving in and out of lanes and generally being a huge douche bag on the road. In my expertise, people who drive trucks are generally pretty big douche bags. Just like people who drive Mercedes Benz' are kinda pompous and smug*.

*- All generalizations based on personal experience, and don't necessarily represent you and anybody you might know.

Rob P

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Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:36:09 EST

"what causes more highway fatalities, speeding or drunk driving?"
Drunk driving.

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supermike3 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:24:47 EST

saying you averaged 90 is the same as saying you averaged a .09...

what causes more highway fatalities, speeding or drunk driving?

supermike3

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usa1 — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:19:05 EST

I like how you casually mention you were breaking the law. Good going guys!

usa1

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tonsoffun — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:03:47 EST

15.6 mpg isnt bad. My Regal gets 16.2-16.8. And thats driving like an old person. And I find it impressive that this thing can go so far on one tank of gas. I cant even break 280 miles in my Regal...it sucks ass. No, it sucks gas!

But I see these things EVERYWHERE. I like them. Better than the last one.

tonsoffun

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Jonny Lieberman — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:02:02 EST

Well... we wound up following two jet-black federal Suburbans for a few miles... at speeds over 100mph.

Jonny Lieberman

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TheGuinnessTooth — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:52:19 EST

90mph in this barge? Didn't Jalopnik just have a post about unsafe speeding a week or so ago? How in the hell is driving anything this large over 65 or 70mph safe?

TheGuinnessTooth

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Emor8t — Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:34:36 EST

I must have one of those to carry my briefcase!

Emor8t