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    BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit

    Eine Kleine Roadstermusik: 2009 BMW Z2, Z4, Z6, Z8?

    Is BMW Working on a Z2 Roadster?
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    2200 pounds means it won't be sold in America, you know. Cars have to be at least 2500 pounds here, or people will stay away in droves.
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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    so will it drive as bad as the 1-series
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    Image of John Krewson John Krewson
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    Since I haven't really liked the look of a new car since... since... Wow, depressing. Anyway, as looks aren't important to me, I'll buy one of these in a heartbeat if it lives up to advance billing. I don't believe that weight for a second, though.


    If they can actually keep it under say 2400 pounds, I'll eat a smoked ham with mashed potatoes, corn on the cob, a nice side salad, and a glass or two of a nice red table wine.


    You know, just in case they can.

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    Image of Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    370Z4????? I'd rather have a 370Z
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    Image of dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    I would be cautiously optimistic about this one. Remember when they announced the 1 series and everybody was expecting a return of the 2002? It turned out the 1 series is just an overpriced slightly smaller 3 series...

    If it turns out to be a Solstice with great handling and a nice interior for less than $35000 then it could be a winner.

    Note Solstice pricing tops out just above $30000 and Z4 starts at $37000 (all MSRP from their respective websites, before options)
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    Total BMW drop-tops:


    1 series
    3 series
    6 series
    M3
    M6
    Z2
    Z4

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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    03/26/09

    @danio3834: i wonder if you could predict every natural disaster to come from those letters and numbers
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    Image of mikedrawcar mikedrawcar
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    I love it. Make it under 30grand, and I'll buy one as a graduation present.
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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    I apologize in advance for the thread-jack but this is important.


    So I was reading the thread yesterday on Jalopnik that was cross-posted to Jezebel. Well I, personally, have never visited Jezebel before and had no idea what I was in for. But, damn, was I in for a pleasant surprise. After reading the cross-post I stumbled upon something amazing. Did you guys know that all they talk about over there is boobies??? Boobs this, boobs that, "My boobs are too big!" Everyone needs to read this post and just let it simmer: [jezebel.com] .


    /Thread-Jack

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    Image of mikedrawcar mikedrawcar
    03/26/09

    @aSoundofSleep: haha, in those comments they almost sound.. like... us.


    shit.

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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/26/09

    @aSoundofSleep: Too bad there were already 102 comments. I so wanted to leave one that just said, "mmmmmm...boobies."


    I hope someone did. I don't have time to read through all those comments.


    Oh, and I've learned that women are just as obsessed with boobies as men.

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    @f*cking engineerd: Of course they are.


    They don't have brains, so they have to be obsessed with something.


    /return of the antijezebel

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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.:


    Now let's be fair. They have brains, just not higher brain function. Not like us men!

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    Image of domino domino
    03/26/09

    @aSoundofSleep: they have higher brain function, but they're too preoccupied with potpourri, giving each other poor diet advice, finding a man to marry, tricking him into having kids, flowered bedspreads, romance, and chick flicks.
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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    03/26/09

    @domino:


    You get a heart-click for being honest.

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    @domino:


    I so wish I could heart click you again in appreciation for making me randomly laugh my ass off in the middle of a teleconference.

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    Image of domino domino
    03/26/09

    @aSoundofSleep:
    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.:
    thanks!
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    Image of 1000songs 1000songs
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    The departure of Chris Bangle means everything at BMW is getting better looking. Perhaps by the time it's built it won't look like a Z4 at all.....
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    Image of mikedrawcar mikedrawcar
    03/26/09

    @1000songs: BZZZ! wrong!

    Since this is just now coming out, chances are it was still under his watch (designs are done, on average, four years prior). As I've stated from the beginning, it's just the natural maturation of the design language, and you're just getting more used to seeing surfacing like it.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    I'd hit it.


    A small, light Bimmer roadster? Smaller and lighter than even a Z4?


    You'd hit it, too. Don't lie.


    At 2200 lb. it's lighter than a Saturn Sky/Opel GT/Pontiac Soltice (2900 lb.). Give it a decent power plant (the 3.0L from the 135 would be tasty) and BMW could really have itself a winner!

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    Image of OldeEnglishD OldeEnglishD
    03/26/09

    @f*cking engineerd: Agreed, keep it small and light and give it that legendary BMW handling and you wouldn't be able to pry the smile off of my face.
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    03/26/09

    @f*cking engineerd: 3.0 liters seems like a lot for a 2200 lb car. Maybe for the performance version. I would imagine that a turbo 4-cylinder with 2.0-2.5 displacement would be enough for almost everyone.
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    Image of RamblinReck89 RamblinReck89
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    Someone needs to rethink that front end.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    03/26/09

    @RamblinReck89: I was wondering if I was the only one who thought it looked like a chipmunk.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    Okay, here we go. Sing the following to the tune of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire".


    Correct me if I miss any:


    3-series

    5-series

    7-series


    Joe DiMaggio


    X3

    X5

    X6

    5-series GT


    England's got a new queen


    1-series

    6-series

    Z4

    Z2


    Trouble in the Suez


    Mini Cooper

    Mini Clubman

    Mini Crossman


    I can't take it anymore!


    We didn't start the fire!

    We didn't light,

    But we tried to fight it!


    We didn't start the fire!

    It's been burning

    Since the century's turning!


    We didn't start the fire...!

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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: You're trying waaaaaaay too hard for COTD!
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: I'd give you a COTD nom for that, except you missed the whole M series.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    @UDMan: Oh, I already got my one, and I'm happy with that.


    I seriously doubt I'll get another one. Not only is the competition way to fierce around here, I also make fun of Hardigree and Wes too much. :p

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    Image of Patrick M Hoey Patrick M Hoey
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: They may not have started the fire, but they ignited the flame surfacing which may or may not be just as bad. That is not for me to say. . .
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    @Patrick M Hoey: I'd go out on a limb and say it's a bad thing.


    Nice incorporation of the flame surfacing.

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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.:


    What I love is BMW encroaches the number of models GM has as a whole, yet sells less total volume than GMT900 pickups. Yet, some internet CEO's have deemed it's product proliferation killing GM (not a list of other things). I'd say BMW shows it can be a profitable little idea to have some variants.

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    Image of elwood elwood
    03/26/09

    @rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: Yeah, but you have to make lots of good cars to have them all sell well. Not a couple good cars and a bunch of otherwise mediocre ones.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    @elwood: They actually do.


    The only mediocre cars they have left are the G5,G6, DTS, Cobalt, Torrent, and TrailBlazer.


    The rest are good cars. And that's a lot:


    Malibu, Silverado, Suburban, Corvette, Camaro, Tahoe, new Equinox, Lucerne, new LaCrosse, CTS, STS, SRX, Enclave, Vue, Outlook, Astra, Aura, Sky, Solstice, Sierra, Acadia, Yukon, Escalade,....

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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: Don't forget the execrable Aveo/G3. But your point is very well made.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: The DTS really isn't as crappy as most people think. Granted, it doesn't turn on a dime and it isn't screwed together like a VW Phaeton, but it's actually pretty nice as long as you approach it with realistic expectations.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    @Tomsk is leading the search for the preview button: I concede the point.


    It also has a Northstar V8 capable of smoking the front tires going for it, as well. The only problem is that it is ancient. I am sure they could probably keep the platform around for a while longer, but it desperately needs an interior upgrade, and at the very least provision for AWD, though I doubt it's possible on that platform.


    Ideally, I think that it should be replaced by a car based off of a lengthened version of the Sigma II platform, or, if nothing else, a lengthened Zeta platform. Doing so would not only make for a potentially awesome car, but would also help amortize the production and development costs of the platforms.


    Sadly, it would probably not have a very good effect on the corporate average fuel economy numbers, and GM is in such a stranglehold that I doubt the car czar committee would approve of money being used to develop it.

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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    03/26/09

    @Tomsk is leading the search for the preview button: So if you get into it expecting it to suck horribly, you'll be pleasantly surprised to discover that it doesn't suck as badly as you expected?
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    03/26/09

    @Mike the Dog will work for a Preview Button!: And that, sir, is the definition of optimism.
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    03/26/09

    @pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: "Belgins in the Congo." Best line in that song.


    That's 1. Terrible 2. Horrible 3. Reminds me of "The Jungle, teh Bestist book ever.

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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    Why do I get the feeling that 2200lbs is a bait and switch number, like a $9995 Versa? Oh sure, it'll weigh that little, as long as you don't need seats. Or glass. Or doors.


    So, go ahead BMW, prove me wrong. In 2012, you'll have, well, if I'm honest, you'll have someone who would be itching to buy one, if it weren't for that pesky student debt, along with a whole bunch of other financial obligations.

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    Image of Thrashy, perpetual Minardi Thrashy, perpetual Minardi
    03/26/09

    @Maymar bans bare chassis hoonage: "Oh sure, it'll weigh that little, as long as you don't need.... glass. Or doors."


    Well, do you? I hear the vintage store is running a great deal on leather caps and goggles.

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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    03/26/09

    @Thrashy, dreaming of Chicago boxes: I'm Canuckian, that'd require a seriously epic winter coat. And if I'm that masochistic, I'm driving a Caterham.
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    03/26/09

    In reply to BMW Z2: 1-Series-Based Mini-Z4 Green-Lit
    Not that its a bad thing, but holy roadster overboard.


    How will anyone keep track?

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