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    Image of Earl_of_Gumout Earl_of_Gumout
    11/15/09

    In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
    Off road tranny. Sounds kinky! #jeepwrangler
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    11/15/09

    @Earl_of_Gumout: Tell that to Eddie Murphy. #jeepwrangler
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    Image of jewce is fueled by sour gummy worms jewce is fueled by sour gummy worms
    11/13/09

    In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
    I wonder. I did the Rubicon trail in pre-pro AT Rubicon Unlimiteds and they did fine. Who MCM'd (cost cut) the tranny cooler? #jeepwrangler
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    Image of petersterncan petersterncan
    11/13/09

    In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
    This only affects the offroading Poseurs... seriously... that's what offroading with an Automatic Wrangler is... #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @petersterncan: Baloney. Automatics have a lot of advantages when offroading. More than on the street. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @beercheck: x2. ATs give much more control off road than a MT. Opposite on the street. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @beercheck: Well I don't wanna believe you because I'm a manual transmission-promoting zealot.

    Manuals for everything I say!!! #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @petersterncan: As a default position, I can respect that. But when you're wheeling with your "I have a stick 'cause it's manly" and some dude with an AT cleans your clock overcoming an obstacle.... well, who's the poseur now...

    (Full disclosure: I've been there.) #jeepwrangler
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    11/16/09

    @beercheck: The guy with the AT is still a poseur because the AT made it Too Easy. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
    If I agree to marry the tranny, can I get the Jeep for free? #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @Amalgamated Stainless Headers, est.1978: Only if you're willing to relocate. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @Alfisted: Utah's not that bad... #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
    Wait... a Chrysler with a transmission issue? #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @slater: I know! I was shocked too. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
    this is rather odd. i have never known any hardcore jeep people, the type to take their wranglers wheelin enough to cause a tranny issue to ever drive an auto... every jeep i have ever seen in situations where they actually need 4wd are manual, the way god intended. the jeep in 2wd can do almost anything required in any normal situation. im assuming that this recall applies to the people who see an inch of snow so they put it in 4wd. i hate those people! the give americans bad names.... #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @jeepster4.0: and even though it seems like a large number of wrangler owners are pretentious pricks who don't know what mud is, there are a lot of us that depend on their 4wd, especially when they are pulling an unfortunate truck buddy out of the mud. also, its fairly safe to say that anyone in an old jeep or a jeep with a decent amount of aftermarket or mud drives a manual, knows what they are doing, and needs a 4wd drive vehicle, and sometimes a winch. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @jeepster4.0: I've seen many automatic Jeeps offroad. Okay, "many" may not really be the best word, but many more than one might think.

    Arguably, automatics have a lot more mechanical business existing in an off-road vehicle than an on-road vehicle. The downsides are extra weight and less throttle-braking going downhill in limited traction, but the advantages are manifold.
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    Image of Mr. M Mr. M
    11/13/09

    @beercheck: +1. Not only does every wrangler owner I know take their heep off-road, they all rock automatics. Trying to worry about a clutch while trying to climb 4ft+ obstacles is a distraction you don't need.

    Now, if they would just put out a new Grand actually worthy of the trail... #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @Mr. M: Thank you. And amen. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @beercheck: now that i think of it, im sure that there are legitimate uses for an auto off road, however, i have no experience and i have never personally seen an auto wrangler off road. in fact, i don't think i've ever even been in an auto wrangler. most curious... i would be concerned that an auto would shift when i wouldn't want it to. i use a lot of down shifting to control my speed off road. i must admit that most of my off road experience is in the woods on trails and not on just rocks. there are a lot of rocks on the trails, but its not the same. there might be large advantages to autos on rocks that im unaware of. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    @Mr. M: there are a disproportionate number of jeeps up here in vermont. it is by far one of the most popular vehicles. that being said, a number of them are younger and are driving jeeps because they are abundant and they inherited them from their parents. there are a decent amount of wranglers here that don't go off road, but there are also a decent number that do and from my experience, they are all manuals. and i have had 4ft+ obstacles that i've had to come off of and do again in a lower gear, it sucks, but its all i've ever known/seen. on the trails in vt, it seems like manuals are by far the more popular choice. it might not be that way everywhere. #jeepwrangler
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    Image of Mr. M Mr. M
    11/14/09

    @jeepster4.0: Interesting. My opinion is rooted in personal experience. I've tried both on the trail, and greatly prefer the auto. Doesn't get in the way, and if you need a particular gear beyond just dropping it in 4-Lo, the gear selector will lock it in just fine.

    That said, I'm in Texas, so maybe the southwest/Colorado/etc. is a bit different than Vermont. Still, wheeling seems like a good way to cook a clutch or three. Am I mistaken?

    Also, in the interests of full disclosure, my current Jeep is a 5.9 Ltd. Yes, it goes off-road. But the manual vs. auto thing is somewhere down in the noise below "14-speaker stereo with heated leather seats" from where I'm sitting... #jeepwrangler
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    11/14/09

    @Mr. M: you are not mistaken, i have had clutch issues with my dads jk sahara unlimited manual. i have issues in reverse going up hill especially if there is any added weight. the 4dr jk platform is a lot heavier and while i haven't quite cooked it, i got it to smoke a little. i haven't had any issues in my '01 tj. it is much lighter and my straight six has more than enough low-end torque to get over most anything even if im a gear too high. i would also like to mention that i rev match when changing gears. that might also be a reason that i have not experienced many clutch/tranny issues.

    i am also a diehard manual guy so that also obscures my judgment. most of my experience is in mud and on mountain trails. i do lose some momentum downshifting on steep hills but that becomes part of the experience. i have to get the right gear before i hit a big hill or else i won't make it. if there were more extreme obstacles to overcome, an auto might be more useful. the trails here and the mud are difficult but not extreme. i can do most of it using a stock wrangler with a winch. #jeepwrangler
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Chrysler Issues Jeep Recall On Off-Road Tranny Overheating Issue
    Once upon a time, an Italian made short work of the Rubicon and all the roads were straight and smooth after that. Who needs 4wd? #jeepwrangler
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    me: thats a very solid bit of construction
    narrator: the young mans hand moves silently up to his imaginary beard as he quietly ponders the immense number of laws and regulations he could seamlessly break in such a vehicle capable of massive hoonage. #j8
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    Image of Sloop_John_B Sloop_John_B
    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    Goddamn it, that's a tease if I ever saw one.

    For fuck's sake. Just make the green one available to the public for less than 25k with a few color choices. #j8
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    Image of KAR120C KAR120C
    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    Memo to Jeep: PUT THIS IN YOUR SHOWROOMS AND SELL IT.

    And by 'this', I mean 'exactly this'. Diesel, rugged, basic. Don't care if it rides like crap; it's a friggin' jeep fer chrissakes. Only option I want is a hardtop for camping in crap weather and having minimal protection against thieves. Oh, and front & rear lockers.

    Giving it exclusively to AEV (where it becomes a $50,000+ toy) is an idea that needs to be stamped FAIL in big, red, angry letters. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @KAR120C: Chrysler didn't give it to AEV, AEV went out and twisted Chrysler's arm to get it, and the reason it's that expensive is because it's built to a significantly higher durability specification, has a different rear suspension and is basically hand assembled rather than on an assembly line. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Good points, and you're right. I (and everyone else who wants them to come back from the ashes) really need to keep the high emotions re: Jeep in check. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Leaf springs, steel wheels, less safety equipment, diesel motor...that doesn't add up. It's pretty much the hand-built thing that causes the prices to skyrocket. However, I don't see why they can't just do the same thing on a standard jeep frame. These jeeps won't be dropped from helicopters or anything. They could EASILY make a robust, diesel jeep with this look and feel for less than 20k. #j8
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/09/09

    @Sloop_John_B: They could, but 9 people would buy them.

    As to the steel wheels, leaf springs, reinforced frame, unique body panels, Dana axles, yada yada; Yes, it's a vehicle with less consumer content, but it still requires engineering, tooling, sourcing and production overhead which all needs to be amortized over a much smaller volume than the regular Wrangler. Even a Tata Nano would be $50k if it were built in low volumes. #j8
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    Coming, courtesy the IDF, to an illegal West Bank settlement close to you soon! #j8
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    That is so cool. It's old-school, it's purposeful, and its civilian counterparts are yet to be ruined by 24 inches of chrome. #j8
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    If I visit Jeep dot com, my heart rate stays the same when I go through the product line, but when I see a couple of photos of these rolling on the street it suddenly skyrockets. Shouldn't it be the other way? #j8
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    11/09/09

    @elargentino: Probably because you shouldn't feel mortally threatened by Grand Cherokees. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @Mobius: You've summed up the Grand Cherokee's most glaring fault. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @Mobius: I wasn't exactly referring to the MGs on these but the down right tough as nails configuration which in this case is purely for real. The bumpers, the rings, the wheels, paint job, seats, hard top with fabric on the sides, ramps, guards, etc, etc. #j8
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    Super sweet car two things that grinds my gear tho. 1 the decal shouldn't read "diesel fuel" it should read "ONLY: JP-8, JP-5 or diesel fuel" 2 I'm not sure the interior could stand up to military use in general and especially not in a vehicle sans roof. But still ultra sweet especially with a Cumins or even steyer diesel.
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    11/09/09

    @Tvaan: The diesel for these is a VM Motori 2.4 liter. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Not a bad choice at all, the steyer is nicer in my opinion but to each his own. Is it a R425? (2,5 liters) [www.vmmotori.it] or a 2,8 liter as in the liberty? #j8
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Jeep J8's Invade Detroit Veterans Day Parade
    This is why I don't care if Ford brings the new Ranger to the US.... assuming we can get a civilian version of the J8, that is. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @weatherman: That's a mighty, mighty big assumption. #j8
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    11/09/09

    @beercheck: a boy can dream. #j8
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