Memo to Jeep: PUT THIS IN YOUR SHOWROOMS AND SELL IT.
And by 'this', I mean 'exactly this'. Diesel, rugged, basic. Don't care if it rides like crap; it's a friggin' jeep fer chrissakes. Only option I want is a hardtop for camping in crap weather and having minimal protection against thieves. Oh, and front & rear lockers.
Giving it exclusively to AEV (where it becomes a $50,000+ toy) is an idea that needs to be stamped FAIL in big, red, angry letters. #j8
@KAR120C: Chrysler didn't give it to AEV, AEV went out and twisted Chrysler's arm to get it, and the reason it's that expensive is because it's built to a significantly higher durability specification, has a different rear suspension and is basically hand assembled rather than on an assembly line. #j8
@Ben Wojdyla: Good points, and you're right. I (and everyone else who wants them to come back from the ashes) really need to keep the high emotions re: Jeep in check. #j8
@Ben Wojdyla: Leaf springs, steel wheels, less safety equipment, diesel motor...that doesn't add up. It's pretty much the hand-built thing that causes the prices to skyrocket. However, I don't see why they can't just do the same thing on a standard jeep frame. These jeeps won't be dropped from helicopters or anything. They could EASILY make a robust, diesel jeep with this look and feel for less than 20k. #j8
@Sloop_John_B: They could, but 9 people would buy them.
As to the steel wheels, leaf springs, reinforced frame, unique body panels, Dana axles, yada yada; Yes, it's a vehicle with less consumer content, but it still requires engineering, tooling, sourcing and production overhead which all needs to be amortized over a much smaller volume than the regular Wrangler. Even a Tata Nano would be $50k if it were built in low volumes. #j8
If I visit Jeep dot com, my heart rate stays the same when I go through the product line, but when I see a couple of photos of these rolling on the street it suddenly skyrockets. Shouldn't it be the other way? #j8
@Mobius: I wasn't exactly referring to the MGs on these but the down right tough as nails configuration which in this case is purely for real. The bumpers, the rings, the wheels, paint job, seats, hard top with fabric on the sides, ramps, guards, etc, etc. #j8
Super sweet car two things that grinds my gear tho. 1 the decal shouldn't read "diesel fuel" it should read "ONLY: JP-8, JP-5 or diesel fuel" 2 I'm not sure the interior could stand up to military use in general and especially not in a vehicle sans roof. But still ultra sweet especially with a Cumins or even steyer diesel.
@Ben Wojdyla: Not a bad choice at all, the steyer is nicer in my opinion but to each his own. Is it a R425? (2,5 liters) [www.vmmotori.it] or a 2,8 liter as in the liberty? #j8
This is what jeep should be selling to the public also. It makes me miss my scrambler. I would love one of these to haul my dogs in and carry some equipment. #j8
did you guys even look at this before cracking wise ? it's a JK Rubi with a Hemi and a six speed. They moved the fenders higher to get the clearance. #wrangler
-Bigass tires to raise the CG higher and make rollovers bumpier
-Chop top to bring roofline closer so when you rollover you hit your head more
-Can't tell if it's a solid axle but doesn't look like it from here - IFS is nice on the street but if you're going offroad, you want it solid for better articulation.
-AMC 4.0 is AWOL. The 3.8 V6 that replaces it isn't an awful engine, but dang. I just liked that gigantic tractor mill glaring out from under the hood, you know? #wrangler
@Elhigh: Much wider tires and much wider stance making it less rollover prone, clearly a pumpkin up front, it doesn't have a six cylinder in it at all, hemi swapped.. #wrangler
@Elhigh: Big ass tires make rock crawling easier, and raise your ground clearance. This isn't a street cehicle. Plus, if you compare this to nearly any built off-road rig with 40" meats, it's significantly lower, meaning *less* chance of a rollover.
Yes it has solid axles, like all Wranglers, as well as lockers and alloy shafts. And the 4.0 is gone. Its tragic yes, but we're obviously never going to see it in a production vehicle again so we might as well stop bitching when Wrangler based concepts don't have it. #wrangler
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@Steeze McQueen: You can see the pumpkin? I can't see crap, maybe my monitor's about to go toes-up. I mean, I can see it's there, but a silhouette is all I get.
Where'd you get the info on the 5.7? I just read the blurb, didn't go around researching at all. Work and all that, you know.
@Andrew Richard Chadwick Stevenson: I think what I need to do is go buy some crapped out '95 YJ and build it up the way I want. '95 chassis is the best, too bad it's still the square-eyes model. But whatevs.
Get the 4.0, preferably from a somewhat later model year with less Stone Age EFI, jack it up just a smidge because I don't do any serious offroading - only slapstick offroading. I'm that kinda guy. Find a New Venture TC from a Rubi for the low-low 4.0:1 ratio, add a hardtop and AC because I hate the tent-in-a-hurricane noise and I'm getting old enough and wealthy enough to both need and afford AC. There are some things about which I don't give a shit for the environment, and AC is on that list. When August hits it's frickin hot and I want AC
Nice CD stereo so I can listen to John Sandford murder mysteries while I'm getting stuck.
@Elhigh: well seriously, dude, don't go spouting off about stuff you haven't even bothered to read, then get all high-and mighty like you don't have the time because you have to work, and then cap it all off not even acknowledge the fact that you just got schooled on the ABCs of 4x4. That's just douchey. #wrangler
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For fuck's sake. Just make the green one available to the public for less than 25k with a few color choices. #j8
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And by 'this', I mean 'exactly this'. Diesel, rugged, basic. Don't care if it rides like crap; it's a friggin' jeep fer chrissakes. Only option I want is a hardtop for camping in crap weather and having minimal protection against thieves. Oh, and front & rear lockers.
Giving it exclusively to AEV (where it becomes a $50,000+ toy) is an idea that needs to be stamped FAIL in big, red, angry letters. #j8
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As to the steel wheels, leaf springs, reinforced frame, unique body panels, Dana axles, yada yada; Yes, it's a vehicle with less consumer content, but it still requires engineering, tooling, sourcing and production overhead which all needs to be amortized over a much smaller volume than the regular Wrangler. Even a Tata Nano would be $50k if it were built in low volumes. #j8
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...otherwise, naaa #wrangler
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I'm no rock crawler and have no idea how capable it would be at it, but looks like it would be quite the snow monster. #wrangler
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-Chop top to bring roofline closer so when you rollover you hit your head more
-Can't tell if it's a solid axle but doesn't look like it from here - IFS is nice on the street but if you're going offroad, you want it solid for better articulation.
-AMC 4.0 is AWOL. The 3.8 V6 that replaces it isn't an awful engine, but dang. I just liked that gigantic tractor mill glaring out from under the hood, you know? #wrangler
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-Thats a Dana 44
-It has a 5.7 hemi
What picture were you looking at? #wrangler
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Yes it has solid axles, like all Wranglers, as well as lockers and alloy shafts. And the 4.0 is gone. Its tragic yes, but we're obviously never going to see it in a production vehicle again so we might as well stop bitching when Wrangler based concepts don't have it. #wrangler
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Where'd you get the info on the 5.7? I just read the blurb, didn't go around researching at all. Work and all that, you know.
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Get the 4.0, preferably from a somewhat later model year with less Stone Age EFI, jack it up just a smidge because I don't do any serious offroading - only slapstick offroading. I'm that kinda guy. Find a New Venture TC from a Rubi for the low-low 4.0:1 ratio, add a hardtop and AC because I hate the tent-in-a-hurricane noise and I'm getting old enough and wealthy enough to both need and afford AC. There are some things about which I don't give a shit for the environment, and AC is on that list. When August hits it's frickin hot and I want AC
Nice CD stereo so I can listen to John Sandford murder mysteries while I'm getting stuck.
Warn winch. Go with what you know.
Hmm. Time to go wander around eBay. #wrangler
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@Elhigh: I still love you. So much that I highlighted the pumpkin... after all, who doesn't want a green pumpkin? #wrangler
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