Permanently attach DMMs at various locations around vehicle-a Colossal time-saver when attempting to locate electrical Inconsistencies. In point of fact, an athletic Co-Driver might be utilized to invigorate Electrical Function-even while Motivating!
It's only the taillights, you think to yourself, as you tap the brakes for the first time and cringe as the first of the glass-tube fuses pops and showers your leg with wee shards of glass.
"Shit." You think.
It's gonna take years for the shrapnel to work its way out of your leg this time.
Yeah, well, we've all been there. "Well, I really should just remove that/cut that away/pull that out and replace it, but hey, I can't try this first, and then if it doesn't work, I'll go whole hog."
It is precisely the seductive 'This really should work...' logic, that makes the succubus of Lucas Electrics so soul consuming. See, it works JUST LONG ENOUGH to get the harness ready, then once installed, the secret shorts, and the cracked copper inside the retained bits, they crap out. Whereupon you, along with whatever barrel fuses that are in the system, melt down into an inert molten lump.
This has been my favorite project you have been hammering away at, Murilee. I can't wait until it is finished, then I hope you post some video of it running, too.
@TurboRefrigerator: It runs just fine now. Only problem is, it doesn't stop- brake system is completely garbooned. I've been doing my best to find a junkyard Midget (trying to keep the total investment as far under $1000 as possible) but it looks like I'll have to buy some stuff from Moss.
@Murilee Martin: The brakes on the 633 Threatmobile are causing the pulling of hair and gnashing of teeth right now.
No boost, the pedal holds pressure until you get low in the stroke, then it yields. Running, you can press it straight to the floor. You can pump to get some pressure, but it won't hold.
Basically, everything points at the master cylinder, except I just replaced it.
I have answered it to my friends, my family (all except my father, who owned a twin-cam MGA) who have asked: why don't I lock up my MGB when I park it somewhere? This car IS an anti-theft system. And an anti-start, anti-turn signal, anti-brake light, anti-both headlights being the same brightness, etc. We won't even talk about the previous MG that I had that caught on fire Easter Day, 2006.
It is not that this car is a basketcase, no. It had just 50,000 miles on it when I bought it, practically new! And I would never accuse a british car with electrical problems of being a basketcase, either. This is just the stuff that you deal with on a daily basis.
Expect the car not to start the key every time you need it to. Expect to tinker. If you love cars, I think you would love a British car. Just don't expect to be on time for everything.
As much as I love my Volvos, when I get the urge to go tinker, they leave me with nothing to do. I have hammered out 100% of the electrical gremlin issues on my 50,000 mile MG, and it has been as reliable as a Toyota ever since. But I know, I just know, at the most inopportune time, something WILL happen again. It always does.
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@TurboRefrigerator: You can find Volvo trouble, if you look. Mine's playing the Rough Idle Game right now. But you know what? That's an afternoon's work, and then it'll be fine for six months.
It's really a bit boring. So mod it until it isn't.
@FP - in black for the Jezebel Nine: About the only trouble my 240 has ever given me is an idle issue. I cleaned up the throttle body, bought a remanufactured IAC valve, and it has been gold ever since. Here's hoping yours is just as easy.
@TurboRefrigerator: Given that every last one of 'em seems to have the same problems, it wouldn't surprise me if this is another.
I've been told to clean the throttle body, and that's the first thing I'm gonna try.
I trust that yours also has shattered door pockets, a cracked console, at least one crack in the dash, a loose glovebox door, a hood that's not quite perfectly aligned...
@FP - in black for the Jezebel Nine: Mine actually had NO door pockets when I bought it. Would you believe I picked up a NOS set (in BEIGE, the worst color for breaking, no less) on ebay for under $40. I promptly applied a layer of fiberglass to the inside of them, and they now even stand up to my club-footed brother in law bumping them with his foot when he gets out of the car.
One commonly ignored point of failure in Lucas electrical systems are the bulbs. Perhaps by now every MG out there has dumped it's OEM bulbs but I remember in 1985 my '78 Midget appeared to be an electrical nightmare until in a fit of frustration I replaced *every* bulb in the car with new bulbs. Magically my electrical problems went away and I never had another one until I got rid of the car in 1990 after I had purchased my Miata (which by the way is the only Miata in the world with electrical problems, lol).
If you're worrying about brake lights, you must be making good progress there.
I built Audiovox speaker enclosures out of 1/2" CDX ply to slop around in the back of van. Some of my roughest carpentry ever, and they sound as good as twenty pound Bozak floor speakers. Next time I build some speakers I'll have to put a crusting of lights on them. Nice handle, also.
Can I just say here that this new gallery style sucks? When I try to view the pictures larger, the first one opens for a second then disappears and won't open again. A hard refresh allows me to do this again (IF the page reloads correctly). Are these pics on the Flickr page, Murilee?
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Cool looking as I'm sure they are, I'd be worried about snapping one of those switches off.
I'm guessing the cooling fan switch is going to be wired into the ignition circuit, ie starter button no worky if the cooling fan isn't on. I know the 20R is virtually indestructible (hell, my cousin's was driven for 100 miles with no oil in it and it's still going strong) but why tempt Murphy?
@something_unique_and_descripti...: I've got one switch that activates the ignition coil/fuel pump and powers up the switched accessories (i.e., turn signals, wipers). The key switch (which was made for computer cases, but is pretty well made and just $1.99 for two) interrupts the circuit to the fuel pump/coil, so turning on the "ignition switch" with the key off is sort of like having a regular ignition switch in "ACC" position. The orange switch above the starter button activates the engine cooling fan; I'm going to rig it up with a thermostat pretty soon, but for now I have to control it manually.
What a debacletrain of a vehicle! I love it.
Something cobbled together like this can only mean two things: A long talking to from Ponch and John, or dying in the thing with a huge grin on your face.
When can I ride in it?
I love the fact that you made your own wiring harness. I could NEVER pull that off.
threadjack:
Has anyone else had their girlfriends give them a stern talking to about not modifying my primary transportation vehicle because you've broken so many cars during the time you've been dating? I've been through probably 8 cars since I started dating this girl 6 years ago, though now it hurts my feelings that she doesn't trust me to work on my own car (anymore) when it can mess with the car's drivetrain.
@fuzzy plecoroom:
No but I used to get a similar lecture from my parents as a child/teen anytime I approached anything mechanical/electrical with some tools to "take it apart and see how it works".
You, fuzzy p, are just going through the normal process of "learning about cars and shit" and she's trying to "limit downside risk" of having to drive you to auto parts stores/junkyards/work.
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@The Dead Inside Grp. Co. Ltd.: I'm not new to the whole "cars" thing, though. I'm at the end of the process of learning about shit, and the process has cost me her faith in me to work on my own shit... I'm 24, I've got proper tools and knowhow but some of this stuff drives me up the wall... ugh. I was being hassled about installing a larger throttle body, for chrissakes.
See, I've been through two engine swaps, done numerous brake jobs, water pumps, alternators, battery changes, countless oil changes-- the list goes on and on and on.... but thanks for the insight.
Oh, and by the way, I'm friggin stuck as this. I can't edit my screen name anymore.
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@fuzzy plecoroom: If you want to change your screen name and Nibbles won't let you, try going to Consumerist and changing it there. It takes a little while for it to work it seems, but eventually it will. (at least it did for me).
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@fuzzy plecoroom:
Like joneez there said - we never stop learning, or effing up on the journey of learning (that part wasn't core to the operation, was it?).
Two switches, a key and a button to start it? A bit excessive, no? I would think that you would be able to wire the fuel pump and fan to the turning of the key, considering it was all wired from scratch. But I'm just a hater, what do I know?
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Permanently attach DMMs at various locations around vehicle-a Colossal time-saver when attempting to locate electrical Inconsistencies. In point of fact, an athletic Co-Driver might be utilized to invigorate Electrical Function-even while Motivating!
You're welcome.
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It's only the taillights, you think to yourself, as you tap the brakes for the first time and cringe as the first of the glass-tube fuses pops and showers your leg with wee shards of glass.
"Shit." You think.
It's gonna take years for the shrapnel to work its way out of your leg this time.
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You almost always have to go find the hog.
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No boost, the pedal holds pressure until you get low in the stroke, then it yields. Running, you can press it straight to the floor. You can pump to get some pressure, but it won't hold.
Basically, everything points at the master cylinder, except I just replaced it.
Bad remanufactured part?
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It is not that this car is a basketcase, no. It had just 50,000 miles on it when I bought it, practically new! And I would never accuse a british car with electrical problems of being a basketcase, either. This is just the stuff that you deal with on a daily basis.
Expect the car not to start the key every time you need it to. Expect to tinker. If you love cars, I think you would love a British car. Just don't expect to be on time for everything.
As much as I love my Volvos, when I get the urge to go tinker, they leave me with nothing to do. I have hammered out 100% of the electrical gremlin issues on my 50,000 mile MG, and it has been as reliable as a Toyota ever since. But I know, I just know, at the most inopportune time, something WILL happen again. It always does.
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It's really a bit boring. So mod it until it isn't.
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I've been told to clean the throttle body, and that's the first thing I'm gonna try.
I trust that yours also has shattered door pockets, a cracked console, at least one crack in the dash, a loose glovebox door, a hood that's not quite perfectly aligned...
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Otherwise, yes to everything else.
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I built Audiovox speaker enclosures out of 1/2" CDX ply to slop around in the back of van. Some of my roughest carpentry ever, and they sound as good as twenty pound Bozak floor speakers. Next time I build some speakers I'll have to put a crusting of lights on them. Nice handle, also.
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@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: Yeah, vintage speaker fan!
I've been trying some 12" Tannoy Monitor Golds in prototype cabs. They sound fantastic.
Sometimes the old ways are still best.
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That amp does go to 11?
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I'm coming over. Yes, I'll bring beer.
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I'm guessing the cooling fan switch is going to be wired into the ignition circuit, ie starter button no worky if the cooling fan isn't on. I know the 20R is virtually indestructible (hell, my cousin's was driven for 100 miles with no oil in it and it's still going strong) but why tempt Murphy?
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Something cobbled together like this can only mean two things: A long talking to from Ponch and John, or dying in the thing with a huge grin on your face.
When can I ride in it?
I love the fact that you made your own wiring harness. I could NEVER pull that off.
threadjack:
Has anyone else had their girlfriends give them a stern talking to about not modifying my primary transportation vehicle because you've broken so many cars during the time you've been dating? I've been through probably 8 cars since I started dating this girl 6 years ago, though now it hurts my feelings that she doesn't trust me to work on my own car (anymore) when it can mess with the car's drivetrain.
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No but I used to get a similar lecture from my parents as a child/teen anytime I approached anything mechanical/electrical with some tools to "take it apart and see how it works".
You, fuzzy p, are just going through the normal process of "learning about cars and shit" and she's trying to "limit downside risk" of having to drive you to auto parts stores/junkyards/work.
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See, I've been through two engine swaps, done numerous brake jobs, water pumps, alternators, battery changes, countless oil changes-- the list goes on and on and on.... but thanks for the insight.
Oh, and by the way, I'm friggin stuck as this. I can't edit my screen name anymore.
ugh.
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Like joneez there said - we never stop learning, or effing up on the journey of learning (that part wasn't core to the operation, was it?).
Alternatively http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/jax/1164383626.html
"Girlfriend Forcing Sale"
And then you could wrench all you wanted.
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Imagine how it is to launch a nuke, two people have to insert two separate keys and twist simultaneously.
Jet fighters have all kinds of switches to flip and knobs that need twisting before the plane can leave the ground.
It's momentous, it's of occasion, it's important.
What's so wrong with having a little bit more to do than insert the key and twist it (on a car that likely won't be everyday transport)?
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