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    VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People

    Volkswagen CC Eco Performance Concept Bows At SEMA

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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    Audi face and Camry ass.
    Actually, apart from the generic rear end, I kinda like this. But when they get to the "special door tread plates"--unless they actually polish my shoes or something when I get in, it sounds like they're flogging it a bit to hard.
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    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    I was all set to dump on the CC as an unnecessary re-do of the already sales and price-challenged Passat. But you know what? After seeing several on the street, I have to say that it looks really good. It's the best take yet on the "four-door coupe" idea - far, far better looking than the softened-wax Mercedes CLS. The R-line can be easily skipped as a paint-on performance package, though.
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    09/16/09

    @tonyola: I agree, it's a beautiful car as it is, and if there are no performance mods included in this package, it doesn't need to be tarted up like this to be attractive. One of the few new cars I've seen in person that dropped my jaw. (To be fair, I am a mouthbreather.)
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    I don't get it. What's wrong with the CC rear end? Considering how fat the normal Passat's is, I consider it a massive improvement.
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    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    My favorite line is "cast the Passat CC in an even sportier light". That's the 3rd thing I ask at a dealer. "How much hp? How much does it cost? How sporty of a light does it project?".
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    09/16/09

    @Saboth: Perceived list of concerns buyers have when making the purchase decision as created by Automakers and their Marketing 'Think Tanks'

    1.) Is it Ground breaking?
    2.) Does it provide a holistic solution to my hierarchy of needs?
    3.) Is it the best [car model name] ever?
    4.) Does it cast a sporty light?
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    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    I think VW is the first automaker to come up with a press release that even the ePRS (US Patent No. c11077983) can't summarize.

    Of course, it doesn't contain much information. Particularly since there don't seem to be any performance gains. In that case, I'm going to pass.

    However, there is probably a market for this. Strike that, there is a market for this.

    Style over function: that used to be quite un-Volkswagen.
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    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    And who said there would never be another CCR? Someone's going to read this and sue John Fogerty before they figure out it's just a car.
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    09/16/09

    @crxtra: I think Fogerty is still tied up in court with Koenigsegg over the CC-R. The big wheels of justice keep on turnin'.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    Holy crap, the CC's trunk lever doubles as the rear view camera? That's the kind of detailing that only Germans pull off so effortlessly.
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    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People

    But the wheels don't look at all like Mallory. What gives?
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    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    So an up-charged cosmetic variant of the Passat undergoes even more cosmetic variation for yet another price increase.

    I just see a boatload of disparate bodylines in the side view. You have the sideskirt, then you have the molding at another angle, the crease at a third angle, then the window sill matching the molding. And those hood lines are still a trainwreck.

    It cuts a nice silhouette, but still bugs me in those details.
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    09/16/09

    In reply to VW Passat CC R-Line: An Audi A4 S-Line For The People
    So no real performance upgrades? Disappointment.
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    11/06/08

    In reply to Volkswagen CC Eco Performance Concept Bows At SEMA
    As to the styling, it looks to me like they went to the drawing boards and came away with a Malibu, minus the rear headroom. Way to go, VW!
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    11/06/08

    In reply to Volkswagen CC Eco Performance Concept Bows At SEMA
    Deal-A-Squeal.


    Tire squeal, that is.

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    Image of MarywithanM™ MarywithanM™
    11/05/08

    In reply to Volkswagen CC Eco Performance Concept Bows At SEMA
    So I went to MazdaUSA to see how this compared to the Speed6 and found:
    1. there is no 2009 Speed6
    2. the mileage for this is much better than the 2009 Speed3


    I like VW's and very much like Audi's, but I bought Mazda6 and think the Mazda3 and 6 are better looking than this VW, totally humble opinion.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/05/08

    @MarywithanM: I agree on all aspects except the Mazda grille. It bugs me.


    VW and Mazda are both in high esteem in my books. VW/Audi is making just a whole series of "holy crap, WOW!" engines, while Mazda is doing that with the whole rest of the car and giving them less inspiring engines. (Although the MazdaSpeed cars absolutely deserve respect!)

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    11/05/08

    @Deartháir: I agree with you aside from the 2.5 5-banger - unless you meant "holy crap, WOW that sucks!"


    The 2.0T (and the 1.8T that preceded it) can sleep in my garage anytime, though.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/05/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: Yes, I agree, but I feel that is the exception that proves the rule. That would be a great engine in so many other automakers' lineups, but with VW, it's rubbish.


    I was thinking more of the RS6's twin-turbo V10, but as a 20V de-turboed Lysholm 1.8 is my next engine buildup over the next few years, I am forced to agree with you.

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    11/05/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: The 1.8T is also one of the least reliable VW/Audi engines.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/06/08

    @layabout: 2.8 V6 FTW!
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    Image of Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing
    11/05/08

    In reply to Volkswagen CC Eco Performance Concept Bows At SEMA
    Gorgeous on the outside, but I would fear that the rear headroom must be severely compromised (like with the Benz CLS and the W211 rebody of the E-Class).


    At 6'6", I value headroom highly (pun intended).

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/05/08

    @Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing: Personally, I wonder if it would be. Look at the beltline. It's designed to deceive the eye into thinking it's a straight line, when it actually swoops upwards at quite an angle, making it look a lot lower than it actually is. I'm just over 6'1", and I sat in the back of the XF with tons of headroom to spare.
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    11/05/08

    @Deartháir: I've got to admit, the proof of the pudding is in the eating...! I haven't sat in the VW CC or the MBZ CLS, and I have a friend who bought the newer W211 E-Class (black-on-black like my W210), and SHE commented about the rear headroom in her car. She's a petite woman, so it can't have been first-hand experience (besides, who rides around in the back seat of their own car...?)
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/05/08

    @Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing: I may have done that once or twice... I may also have spent time back there when the car was not moving.


    Well, not moving under its own power.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/05/08

    @Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing:

    "..who rides around in the back seat of their own car...?"


    What? You not down with JFK, and Haile Selassie? Pfftt..



    "Give me rear seat Lincoln slab time, or give me death!"

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    11/05/08

    @DoctorNine: Or give him both. Y'know.
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    11/05/08

    @Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing:

    "...who rides around in the back seat of their own car...?"


    Oh please, a true Jalop does NOT have a chauffeur on the payroll... That would be like Donald Trump having a financial advisor... oh, wait...

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    11/05/08

    @Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing: i would imagine so... compromised headroom isn't good.... unless there is a wagon option... compromised headroom can make people buy a wagon... worked for my parents!


    300c's vertical glass caused my 6'2" brother (and the next one down... who was 5'11" at the time) to hit his head... so they bought a magnum... more or less exactly the same car.. but a lot more room in back...


    granted... my dad has always been a wagon man... i grew up with GM wagons (olds, pontiac, chevy, buick-- i think we had them all..)... and then graduated to the suburban a.k.a. 'the fat-man's station-wagon'... but with a family of 7.. and early 90's wagon offerings not being so great... who can blame him..

    (*wagon, wagon, wagon*)

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/05/08

    In reply to Volkswagen CC Eco Performance Concept Bows At SEMA
    You know, it's no secret I'm a VW/Audi fan. I like their designs, and even though I'm not completely nuts about the Gen V Jetta/Rabbit, they're still better-looking than a lot of other cars on the market.


    But really, why put this engine in the Passat CC? It's a big car, and with all that weight, it's not going to show off the potential of the engine as well as it could. As it sits, it ends up only slightly better than the G8 GT. Driving it carefully on the highway, and letting the fuel management system work as much as possible, I got around 7L/100km, according to the on-board computer. That's 33 mpg, from a bigger car with more peak horsepower.


    Now, if VW were to take this engine, and put it in, say, a two-door GTI, preferably with the R32 all-wheel-drive system...

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    11/05/08

    @Deartháir: ...then you'd have an A4.
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    11/05/08

    @Mad_Science: A3, wouldn't it?
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    11/05/08

    @Deartháir: Hmmm...reading comprehension fades as the day wears on. You are correct, sir.
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    11/05/08

    @Deartháir: Probably the next gen Audi S3 or it would fit in the A5.
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    11/06/08

    @layabout: last i checked the a3 comes with quattro only with the vr6, in america at least
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    11/06/08

    @will: There are several fwd A3's in Europe. I've never seen a VR6 powered A3 & that includes 4 years of working for Audi.
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