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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    11/23/09

    In reply to And The Winner Is...
    I'd always wondered why LeMons had been Beetle-free. Now it isn't, and I'm very, very pleased.
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    Image of LTDScott LTDScott
    11/23/09

    @MushyHeirloom: There's been at least 2 Beetles in LeMons as far as I'm aware.
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    11/22/09

    In reply to And The Winner Is...
    Congrats to both teams!
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    11/23/09

    @LTDScott: Hear hear!
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/22/09

    In reply to And The Winner Is...
    OK, that's impressive! Way to go, PLRs!
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Now if anyone, even just one, person at Chrysler had half a brain, they'd really grab this opportunity. Safety is important, and a fantastic selling point.

    This may be the one and only thing Dodge can shove into Toyota's face and actually have ground to stand on.
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    Image of dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Want to be safe? Just buy the black car with the concrete front in the first picture.
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    Image of Rabbi Dave Rabbi Dave
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Just a big FYI
    The IIHS does not test Porsches. It does not test many of the most expensive BMWs and Mercedes either. Therefore their absence should not make a big difference.

    The IIHS told us they tested only 52 roofs at this point. Why? Because when they told manufacturers of the tests and asked them to send cars they thought had a chance of passing, all they got was 52. of those 27 passed. They will add new models to the list throughout the year though as they do more testing. That's why so many 2010 models were rushed through the old testing to get 2009 awards.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Single most important safety feature: an alert driver. Everything else is bandaids to minimize the consequences of the driver's failure, both of this vehicle and of those around him.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List

    I guess it would be best to drive in overstuffed furniture. That would, you know, cushion any impacts.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/18/09

    @DoctorNine: Where's the cup holders?!
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Wow, a Sebring superlative that does begin with the word "worst."
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    Image of BigHarv BigHarv
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    The S80, Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKS all share architecture-no surprises there #iihs
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    11/17/09

    In reply to Why Do Republicans Hate American Automakers?
    I love political arguments-

    Where's Unregular? #gm
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    Image of Unregular Unregular
    11/17/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: right here, dingus! #gm
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    11/17/09

    @Unregular: Starting with the name-calling already- and we haven't even begun to argue. #gm
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    11/17/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: i know... I WIN! #gm
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/17/09

    In reply to Why Do Republicans Hate American Automakers?
    You know, it's time for me to say something again. The very definition of conservative is as follows (from Dictionary.com, by the way):

    a person disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

    Conservatives have been instrumental in trying to stop progression, or to try and "turn back the clock" to anything even remotely progressive.

    It is this particular cornerstone that limits a free thinking society, stymies inventiveness, and limits expression.

    We no longer are at the forefront of new inventions, new ideas, or new product. You can lay all that on Conservatism. #gm
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    Image of slysolstice07 slysolstice07
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: I agree to a point, but then on the other side (for this debate Democrats) you have groups of workers being supported for not putting forth a good days work for a good days pay. Now before I get hate-comments, I admit there are plenty of workers doing a good hard job for what they are paid. What I am trying to address here are the ones that stand on an assembly line and place one or two bolts and make an amount of money worthy of two people. I also think that there are CEOs that make way more then they are worth. If you're a CEO of a major bank and the bank lost billions.........why should you be getting a "BONUS"? Everyone is to blame here, there is plenty of blame to go around. Sorry for the rant. #gm
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    Image of Nitrous Oxide Nitrous Oxide
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: There are some truths in what you wrote, and I had already gone through this by myself. But who's at the forefront now? #gm
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/17/09

    @Nitrous Oxide: Oh, we are going to go down this path right?

    OK: Lets take Passenger Airliners, just as an example. I can't deny that Boeing is a formidable competitor, but every Airbus model is far superior than the Boeing competing model. Yes the 787 is modern, but it has taken forever to get out of the gate.

    The Brazilian Firm Embraer developed a line of E-Jets that really have no rival. We used to own the Aircraft Industry, and now we are merely a player.

    Lets talk Large Trucks: We have two Truck Manufacturers left in the US, PACCAR (Peterbilt, Kenworth) and NAVISTAR (International). The Number one and Number two truck producers in North America is Freightliner (owned by Daimler), and Volvo (Still Swedish Owned, and not connected with the car division owned by Ford) and look at this, they own Mack Truck now! The European Trucks are far more modern and up-to-date than the American ones.

    Lets talk Cell Phones for a minute. Motorola used to own the segment, but have been eclpised by Research in Motion (Blackberry), Apple, Nokia, Erickson, Samsung, Sony, with a host of smaller brands following close behind. It really is too little too late with the Droid.

    We are no longer dominate in the PC world, what with the sale of IBM's PC business to Lenovo, and almost every other machine built in China. Semiconductor technology has been off loaded to the far east, Software Service has been offloaded to India, and we never did own the flat screen market.

    From what I understand,
    the Russian mathematicians are superior to almost anyone, The German and Swedish optics are superior to everyone, and the Swiss still make the best chocolate.

    We were suppose to be the smartest as far as investment, but that theory got blown out of the water. We were suppose to have the best Insurance Companies (Ha!), and the best Banks (Pffft!). What have we got now? A whole lot of Nothing Special. #gm
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    Image of aurora40 aurora40
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: What a pinheaded argument. Wanting free market forces to dictate success and failure somehow limits free thinking and inventiveness.

    We know it does, because you looked up the word "conservative" in the dictionary...

    What limits free thinking and inventiveness is artificially rewarding failure and punishing success.

    As to your later post about industries, most have some degree of labor issues. Truck and airplane manufacturing are both hammered in the US by unions. For cell phones, Motorola and Apple are US companies. RIM is Canadian. Nice job dismissing the Droid, though.

    Same story with PC's and software "service". Intel and AMD are US companies. Their manufacturing is no longer done here. This is because it's too expensive. Same thing with call centers. Are you suggesting it's because conservatives have inflated the cost of labor in the US?? #gm
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    Image of slysolstice07 slysolstice07
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: I wasn't disagreeing with you. I agree completely...we are screwed............and we did it. #gm
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/17/09

    @aurora40: Not at all. They have effectively choose not to fight for the US worker in the same manner as the Korean, Japanese, and European communities have done. The closest country that chooses to have completly open free trade is Great Britain, and as you can see, they have absolutely no industry whatsoever (at least one that is owned by a British company) #gm
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    Image of Heftyjo Heftyjo
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: Sorry but the real progressives are the republicans. It was the republican founding fathers that displayed the real progressive act of proclaiming that every person should be respected as an individual and provided a set of inalienable rights to protect that individual sovereignty. It is the liberals who are intent on marching us in lock step down the road to serfdom under the so called guise of progressivism. Here is a clue, there is nothing progressive about the so called modern "Progressive" liberal left. #gm
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/17/09

    @Heftyjo: Ha. I really hate the left for dredging up the founding fathers argument. These were landowning, white men, who sought a new republic because they felt that the mother country was taxing them too much to make a decent profit.

    These men only respected other property owners, but made no mention of women, or slaves as equal. Don't try an tell me that all of these men were for equal rights among the indigenous tribes that populated this land before we did. They also felt that the Women were somewhat second class citizens, and did nothing to stop the importation of slaves to work for nothing, while being the property of these same property owners.

    My argument about free trade is that it has been free trade on a one way street. Japan, Korea, and to some extent most of the rest of the world do not practice our form of free trade, in which we invite anyone to take advantage of our policies, without any consequence to their own trade policies.

    And do not bring up the tired argument about our Founding Fathers. If you wanted a government fashioned by the founding fathers, Women still wouldn't be able to vote, we would still have slaves, 1/2% of the population would control 99% of the wealth, and almost no one (besides the descendants of the wealthy white men) would own property.

    The argument of out founding fathers holds abut as much water as an almighty god who created earth in seven days. It's time to evolve. #gm
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    Image of aurora40 aurora40
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: I'm sorry, I'm having a hard time with your whole premise.

    Britain no longer produces things because they believe in free trade? That's your response to my claiming labor is a problem? You might look into the history of labor in the UK. It's labor problems and gov't intervention/bailouts in the US times a thousand.

    And who is it that has chosen "not to fight" for the US worker the way, apparently, Korea has?

    Your arguments all seem to be my arguments. I.e. Look at industry in Britain. Look at industry here in any unionized sector: autos, trucks, planes, etc. Yet you draw from them completely different, and somewhat baffling, conclusions. #gm
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    Image of zsvdkhnorc hates when Jalopnik gets political zsvdkhnorc hates when Jalopnik gets political
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: The founding fathers were men with a stake in many fields, and rebelled not because of taxes, but because they had grown accustomed to local representative government. The taxes imposed by Britain were nothing compared to the taxes imposed within years of the Revolution. Local self-determination was the driving force behind the Revolution.

    The slavery issue came up many times in the first decades of the new Republic, and was put off for nearly a century to disastrous results. Some of the founding fathers, however, had strong anti-slavery sentiments. From the Revolution to the Civil War, public opinion on the slavery issue did not so much change as become entrenched, on both sides. As for women, they were enfranchised for a time in New Jersey, but very few took the opportunity, nor was there any opposition to speak of when it was taken away with a subsequent state constitution. As for the Natives, simply look at Franklin's Narrative of the Late Massacres.

    I'm inclined to agree with you on the fair trade issue. We have ourselves at a disadvantage. We ought have trade restrictions simply to negate support and subsidization of foreign industry by the same foreign governments.

    The principles behind the founding of this nation were quite absolute: inalienable God-given rights, sovereignty from the consent of the governed, &t. The government set up by the founding fathers was a compromise. As society has improved and gotten more used to the radical concept of liberty, the compromise has been reduced.

    As for God creating the Earth, I suggest you start learning Hebrew. I cringe every time I hear "seven days". (Besides, in the very poor translation that you Christians have, it's SIX days. The seventh is the sabbath, God's gift to us, which we were kind enough to share with you. And don't you forget it!) #gm
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/17/09

    @zsvdkhnorc hates when Jalopnik gets political: Don't call me a Christian. I'm a reformed Catholic, a born again atheist, and at worst, an agnostic. A God, in my opinion, is a myth. #gm
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    Image of ArtForge ArtForge
    11/17/09

    @UDMan: Dictionary is not necessarily correct on all fronts here. How do you tie a market based economy to lack of invention, free thinking, new products and ideas. Those are what drives a free and lightly regulated market.
    Nanny state policies, handouts, entitlements, strict regulations and spreading the wealth around lead to a passive society.
    You have to understand that traditional values aren't all Jeebus, most are building the American Dream, not handing it out. #gm
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    Image of zsvdkhnorc hates when Jalopnik gets political zsvdkhnorc hates when Jalopnik gets political
    11/18/09

    @UDMan: Sorry, I'm used to the wolves hanging off both ends. If you've done time as an agnostic, you probably know the feeling too. The Christian wolves are more numerous, but the atheist ones have a much harder bite.

    @Nitrous Oxide: You bet we're pretentious. Our leaders once outvoted God in a debate over cooking apparata!
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    Image of mytdawg mytdawg
    11/17/09

    In reply to Why Do Republicans Hate American Automakers?
    I don't understand any of the short term mindset that decided that we no longer needed to produce anything here. We've sold off almost every American icon to foreign investors and we produce very little compared to what we import. That's just stupid, no matter who you are. #gm
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    Image of Unregular Unregular
    11/17/09

    @mytdawg: we no longer need to produce stuff here in america.

    we just need to move imaginary money around in markets and tweet stuff. then, buy stuff that OTHER countries make with our fake money and call it Capitalism.

    do that, and America will be great again! #gm
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    Image of mytdawg mytdawg
    11/17/09

    @Unregular: It's been working for someone. A very very small percentage of someones. #gm
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    Image of Unregular Unregular
    11/17/09

    @mytdawg: yes, the 1% of Americans that own 1/3rd of the nation's net worth.

    good for them!

    in Capitalism, only a few get all the money and then we take that money and redistribute it to the rest of the people. indeed, it is Capitalism defined. #gm
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/17/09

    In reply to Why Do Republicans Hate American Automakers?
    Amazing. I leave for a few months, and Ye Olde Jalop turns to Classic Soviet Propaganda for content.

    While I am all for restoring classics in general, this is one particular vehicle that should be left to moulder slowly in neglect.

    Thank goodness that most people here are sophisticated enough to laugh at such facile xenophobia. Nevertheless, there appear to be substantial numbers of commentators who are enjoying a chance to roll in such excrement and get it all over them. Which is more evidence that the dogs inhabit Jalopnik, and the cats reside at Jezebel.

    Well done, Matt! This has to help your hit count! Go Go Gadget Advert Revenue! #gm
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    Image of Matt Hardigree Matt Hardigree
    11/17/09

    @DoctorNine: I don't think 10K is really going to push me over any PV barrier. If Republicans want to politicize the car industry we're going to talk about it. We've pointed out the countless times the Obama administration does it and we're called facists. We point out the Republicans do it we're called communists. Also, it's not xenophobia it's extreme nationalism, there's a difference. #gm
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    11/17/09

    @DoctorNine: "You're all wrong and crazy. Site _X_ is not crazy.

    Insult. Insult. Facts would go here if there were any. Insult."

    Summarized for you. #gm
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    Image of Shuke Shuke
    11/17/09

    @Matt Hardigree: You tell him, Matt. What's going on is the truth, facts and all. Everyone gets criticized evenly, whether its the Republicans or the Democrats. #gm
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    11/17/09


    @Matt Hardigree: @Matt Hardigree: "..Also, it's not xenophobia it's extreme nationalism, there's a difference..."

    Umm... wait.. you're an 'extreme nationalist'?

    Doesn't it give you pause, even just a little, to consider that such was exactly the platform of Hitler's National Socialist Party? Hmm?

    Doesn't matter to me in the slightest, really. I am just totally grooving on VW taking over the world. As i said it would. Much to the derision of the assembled masses here. Remember 2 years ago when I told you to buy VW stock?

    Did you do it? Heh.... #gm
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/17/09


    @Shuke: "..You tell him, Matt..." #gm
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    Image of Shuke Shuke
    11/18/09

    @DoctorNine: Seriously, now? A bit childish, no? I kinda expected more from you. #gm
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/18/09

    @Shuke: Never take any of this ribbing seriously... I mean, it's a blog, isn't it? But I swear, when I read your comment, I heard Festus' slow drawl in my mind:

    "..You tell 'im Matthew!!"
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/17/09

    In reply to Why Do Republicans Hate American Automakers?
    Well, Matt, this has been an interesting test of the political flavor of Jalopnik. I hope the experiment has been successful.

    Please, don't do it again. #gm
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