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    The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?

    The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars

    Don't Have Time To Build Your Own Jaguar Vanden Plaschero?
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    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    Interesting ads. I'm not all that familiar with the post-war British car industry, so never heard of a Lea-Francis before. I assume that most of these brands were gone by the late sixties; would be interesting to know how that played out.
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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    08/23/09

    @DrLemming: You can go here to see how it all played out... it's an interesting chart.
    [en.wikipedia.org]

    Oh, but make sure you click "show" off to the right, or you'll go: "Oh yeah, REEEAL interesting chart, HTF, there's NOTHING there!"
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    08/23/09

    @HoonThatFerrari: Let's have a look at the manufacturers that started building cars, never stopped, and continue to this day without any brand changes or assimilations.

    Morgan. Bristol. Caterham. And Ginetta. I didn't even know who Ginetta were until I read the article.
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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    08/23/09


    @FP - Activity resumes!:

    Check out Ginetta's G-21... if you've ever wanted to know what a 911 front end chimera'd onto the back end of a 240z, then here it is...
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    Image of Dhillaz 2.0 Dhillaz 2.0
    08/24/09

    @HoonThatFerrari: Heart click for that great find!

    I love how British Leyland rises from the abyss, and collapses perilously shortly afterwards.
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    Image of CptSevere CptSevere
    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    The Rover ads mention a gas turbine powered car. That must have been pretty sick. I wonder what that was all about.
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    08/23/09

    @CptSevere: Answered my own question. [www.rover.org.nz]
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    Image of Old Grimey Old Grimey
    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    I love the 401 and 403 Bristols, having owned one briefly in the mid-70s, wouldn't mind another one (albeit in better condition), and liked the ad a lot. The Jaguar ad was great too, and that car (the Mark VII-IX saloons) are another favorite of mine. Impressive assortment of ads!
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    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    This 1951 Land Rover is doing a bit of off-roading in Wales. He is jolly well enjoying his classic car!
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    08/23/09

    @skaycog-live,love,laugh!: Thx for that. Will balance out against all the big SUVs I will see tomorrow morning on the way to work at 7am.
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    08/23/09

    @skaycog-live,love,laugh!: Very cool. One of the guys that works at Flyin' Miata in Colorado has a '57: [keith.miata.net]
    He dyno tested it at 38 horsepower if I remember correctly.
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    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    Grace
    Space
    Pace

    What more needs to be said?
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    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    Need a new car. Which one has the highest HP? Lowest defects? End of.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    I'd take any of these except of course for the Mayflower. The ads are as good as the cars. How are you gonna argue with Rolls? "The Best Car in the World." Game, set and match.
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    08/23/09

    In reply to The Dilemma Facing British Car Shoppers In 1951: Alvis, Bristol, or Land Rover?
    British car advertising was wonderful - unlike American car ads, there was no attempt to evoke sex appeal, adventure, or excitement. It was all sensible nuts-and-bolts practicality with the occasional mention of prestige. The closest thing to thrills you'd find in a British ad would be a dry discussion of a car's hill-climbing ability (though the Jaguar ad does mention a top speed of 100 mph without any implication of fun). And what the hell is "gracious motoring"?

    Of the cars pictured, the Bristol is the one I'd love to have. Sleek bodywork and ex-BMW engineering - it even has the double kidney grille! I remember seeing a Triumph Mayflower around Miami several years back - so tiny yet ridiculously pretentious, it had a charm of its own. Reminds me of Mitsuoka who turn tiny Japanese cars into mini Jags and Bentleys.
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    08/23/09

    @tonyola: "And what the hell is "gracious motoring"?"

    I guess it's the similar to James May's notion of "Christian motoring."
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    08/23/09

    @tonyola: I'd pick the Bristol too, though I wouldn't mind a Lea-Francis either. And i'd be very tempted to turn a worn-out Mayflower into a gasser (I'd leave a stocker as is).
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    08/23/09

    @tonyola: GB didn't stop rationing fun until 1971, when they went to decimal currency.
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    Image of Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing
    05/10/09

    In reply to The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars
    So, will oxytocin explain my fondness for automobiles as well for kitchen gadgets, cutlery and utensils, stemware, books, Lego toy sets, and broad categories of pornographic erotica...?
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    Image of escapenguin escapenguin
    05/10/09

    In reply to The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars
    I could never give up my old car. I'm uncomfortable in newer cars... feel like I'm sitting on top of a barstool when I drive them.
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    Image of ummagumma82 ummagumma82
    05/10/09

    @escapenguin: It does seem that newer cars are increasingly being made for midgets. If you're over four feet tall, you can forget about having any sort of thigh or upper back support.


    I suppose those tiny seats save money on materials and make the interior look bigger.. Too bad they make the cars such a (literal) pain in the ass!

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    05/10/09

    @ummagumma82:

    I have to make sure I fit before I can consider any car, even a rental. At 6'6", I own a W210 E320, but a loaner of a current C-Class from the dealer feels cramped and I bang my elbow and head when entering and exiting.
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    Image of .357 .357
    05/10/09

    In reply to The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars
    Well, I have the chance right now to buy a classic roadster. Any suggestions. (I'm willing to pay up to 60k)
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    05/10/09

    @.threefiveseven: I want your job.


    Buy an MG Midget, a Sunbeam Alpine, a bugeye Sprite, a Triumph Spitfire, and enough Lucas Electrics Smoke for a lifetime. Add a Corvair, for good measure.


    Or just buy this Jag.

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    05/10/09

    @strllng plyr: Definitely something like that Jag.
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    05/10/09

    @.thrfvsvn gt Brbrry bnhmmrd: Connecticut isn't that far from Toronto...
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    05/10/09

    @strllng plyr: Yeah...
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    05/10/09

    @.thrfvsvn gt Brbrry bnhmmrd: ROAD TRIP!
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    05/10/09

    In reply to The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars
    So, what I want to know is, what the devil is behind the innate urge "some of us" feel to amass huge collections of steaming crap piles? I say this because lately it has come out that I have stashed around 20 cars on my property, and folks at work are concerned with my sanity.
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    Image of Michael J Backus Michael J Backus
    05/10/09

    @mechimike:

    I only have about seven crap piles stashed on my property (ok, eight with the 914 I'm parting out) so I can't speak to a problem as advanced as yours.


    Here are my reasons:


    That car belonged to my grandfather and then my mother. I can't remember my life with out that car in it. It was built the year I was born so it's kismet.


    That truck is too tough to die and still hauls all the crap I throw at it. All it asks is a gallon of unleaded regular for every ten miles it rolls. I try to mow the hood every spring.


    That car is a sporty convertible with a 400+ hp V8 in it and I can't afford the downpayment on a new car like that. Plus people give me thumbs ups and yell "nice car" whenever I drive it. No amount of money buys that in a new car.


    That car is 14 years old, still gets 30 mpg, and has yet to have it's first mechanical failure after 140,000 miles. I haven't had a car payment since 1998.


    I could go on. Does any of that sound familiar?

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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    05/10/09

    @Michael J Backus: Very.


    A girlfriend of mine once asked me about each car...


    That car is the car a buddy of mine found for me and I drove home across half the USA, it has twice as many cubic inches as a modern "luxury" car and features you can't buy for any dollar in a new car.


    That car was the car I first bought when i was out of college and wanted a muscle car. It also resulted in many various copulating experiences.


    That car is the car I drove cross country on Rt 66 on for my 30th birthday.


    That truck has covered over 246,000 drama-free miles, still returns better fuel economy than any newer 4 wheel drive, extended cab truck (diesel) and took me from South Carolina to Burning Man and back last year.


    Etc.

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    Image of junkman junkman
    05/10/09

    In reply to The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars
    Professor Zak calls this "hormonal promiscuity". If my wife would ever complain about our ever growing abundance of crap cars, I can legitimately tell her that they keep me from cheating on her.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    05/10/09

    @junkman: So, what color did you finally paint the (oh I forget what that custom Toronado is called)?.
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    05/10/09

    @UDMan: The body shop guys have informed me that the mother lode of bondo is still going to take a lot more sanding, so no paint yet. Final color hasn't been decided (I'm leaning to green and something else) but it will be two-tone, heavy metallic and carry the bent-wrench landau bars as suggested by smalley.
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    Image of TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah
    05/10/09

    In reply to The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars
    So, if I find a girl who really loves her car, rub my self all over it, will she love me too?
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    05/10/09

    @TexanIdiot25- we're boned....: No, she'll just wonder why the car smells funny.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    05/10/09

    In reply to The White Coats Say 'Trust Hormone' Makes Us Hoard Terrible Old Cars
    Quote from article/Dept. of Stating the Obvious, except for the Marry Your Car site. BRB.


    In short, our cars are not just utilitarian appliances. They occupy meaningful places in our lives. And despite being mass-produced, they are individualised." One website, virtualvow.com, even offers the opportunity for drivers to marry their cars (although, obviously, the nuptials are not legally binding).

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    05/10/09

    @Novaload Misses Murilee: I won't marry my car until she tells me her name.


    Which she still hasn't done.

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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    05/10/09

    @FasterPussycow: Who, Sarah?
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    05/10/09

    @Mobius_1: Nice. I doubt it, though - it's a Volvo.
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