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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    08/20/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    I officially call for a gallery of "10 (or more) Reasons Buick is a Lost Cause as a Brand."

    That is, why no amount of creative marketing or product massaging can budge the overwhelming public opinion of Buicks as cars for people who'd be dead if it was the 19th century.
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    That's some red-hot tweet that can't be beat there! Maybe we need a Jalop Twitter-TRACKER!!!! (TM)
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    Image of parkwood60 parkwood60
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    I've been referring to Twitter as the CB radio of this generation for some time now. Can't you just see trying to explain Twitter to kids 20 years from now? Its like when your parents tell ya "well you could get driver in the immediate area, and on your channel to give you traffic updates, as well a smokey reports. Plus you could keep in touch with people in other cars who were going the same place as you..."
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    People who made ritual sacrifices used to think they made the sun come up every day. Didn't make it true. Correlation is not causation.
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    Image of superbadd75, 'tis the season to go on a rampage. superbadd75, 'tis the season to go on a rampage.
    08/19/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: So very true. I can add no more.
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment superbadd75, 'tis the season to go on a rampage. was starred superbadd75, 'tis the season to go on a rampage. was unstarred
    Image of skitter skitter
    08/19/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: But witches just have to be made of wood. We burn them, you see.
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    Edited by skitter at 08/19/09 9:21 PM skitter was starred skitter was unstarred
    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    08/19/09

    @skitter: And the ones that survive the trial are the ones that are guilty. It has always been so. Here, let me light that up for you.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    Um. Just a thought, but, if GM gave two shits about what a bunch of self-important media nobodies thought about their product lineup, and cared in the slightest about a website dedicated to massaging one's own ego, don't you think they would have, I don't know, not cancelled the G8?

    That's received a thousand times more bad press than a few twats, or twits, or tweets, or whatever you call them.

    I'm sure it feels nice to massage your ego some more and believe you had some influence, but let's face it, it's far more likely someone actually just realized what a bad business move it was.
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    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    I'm 40 and I don't understand what I'm looking at.
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    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    Rather than using twitter to make judgment calls, I think the decision should go like this:

    The Head of Design Review: Okay kid, show me what you got.

    Young Product Designer: Well sir, see this old Saturn Vue?

    The Head of Design Review: Uh Yeah…

    Young Product Designer: Well, we thought if you...

    The Head of Design Review: Dammit,...this better not be some of that badge engineering crap....I’m just warning you

    Young Product Designer: Uh… Well sir…. Well, we thought if you just take some Buick badges here and stick them here where the old Saturn Vue badges go....

    The Head of Design Review: You’re fired!!!

    Head Product Designer: Sir,... hold on now...I think the kid is on to something here.

    The Head of Design Review: Well then you’re fired too...anybody else think this is a good idea?

    Other Product Designers in Unison: No we…. uh… uh…. told them not to do that.

    I’m pretty sure this would eliminate badge engineering.
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    Image of TimTim TimTim
    08/19/09

    @Flathead Smith: 2 COTDs in a row?
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    Image of drewdrawsLA drewdrawsLA
    08/19/09

    @Flathead Smith: Amen to that brotha, amen to that.

    Of course, that's how we got the Bangle butt, but still...
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    It seems utterly befitting that one stupid trend kills another. Now maybe someone will put out a bland Autotuned song about how much they despise Twitter.
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    08/19/09

    @Maymar may have approved the approve comment button: *applause*
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    08/19/09

    @Maymar may have approved the approve comment button: And I think we have the COTD, if there's any truthiness or justice in the world.
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    Mad_Science promoted this comment Deartháir II was starred Deartháir II was unstarred
    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    08/19/09

    @Maymar may have abused the approve comment button: COTD.
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    Image of Al Navarro Al Navarro
    08/19/09

    @Mad_Science:
    +1
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    Image of maximum-sienna maximum-sienna
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    I intend to stay Twitter free. I heard it's a gateway site for other, more addictive sites.

    Friends might tell you to try it, but, like jumping off a bridge, you don't need to try it to know that it's bad for you.

    Just say no!
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    Image of TimTim TimTim
    08/19/09

    @maximum-sienna: I think Face Book may be the gateway site... but I try to avoid all that stuff. My sister offered me some MySpace a while back, I tried it for a while and had a good time but realized that it was no way to live my life. So I went cold turkey and I've been clean for almost 8 months now.
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    Edited by TimTim at 08/19/09 2:53 PM TimTim was starred TimTim was unstarred
    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    08/19/09

    @TimTim: I do Facebook once or twice a day. It expands my horizons, calms me down. I'd never try Twitter or any of that hard shit, though, man. And MySpace is always cut with nasty shit.
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    Image of maximum-sienna maximum-sienna
    08/19/09

    @TimTim: Yeah, I don't do that stuff either. MySpace, Facebook, Likedn are all on my blacklist.

    You got to be careful with some of these designer sights, they carefully desguise the truth.
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    Image of G8-167/Super Aguri G8-167/Super Aguri
    08/19/09

    @maximum-sienna: First Tweet's free, man...
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    Image of skulldriveshaft picasaweb and youtube skulldriveshaft picasaweb and youtube
    08/19/09

    @G8-167/Super Aguri: You won't catch me dead anywhere near twitter, facebook, OR digg.

    but Jalopnik keeps on asking me to.

    What should I do?!?!?!?
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    skitter promoted this comment skulldriveshaft picasaweb and youtube was starred skulldriveshaft picasaweb and youtube was unstarred
    Image of skitter skitter
    08/19/09

    @skulldriveshaft picasaweb and youtube: Jalopnik is supposedly just the gateway drug, supposedly nonaddictive, supposedly harmless, supposedly widely accepted. But I need my fix, man.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    08/19/09

    @skitter: I can stop any time I want to, really.

    I JUST DON"T WANT TO. (help me)
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    Image of TimTim TimTim
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    I was going to call this thing something less catchy but similarly uncomplimentary... Something like the Special Urban Commuter Crossover Utility Bus. You know, it plugs in and steals all your energy while you're sleeping... Fortunately, those in larger social circles than I coined 'Vue-ick' and now we no longer need to fear the SUCCUBus.
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    Image of oyumurtaci oyumurtaci
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    Ok. I hate twitter. Mostly for a lack of understanding it. I see no purpose in it, social, scientific or otherwise. Then this comes along, effectively (however inelegantly) chopping off the head of what was sure to be a cross-eyed, fire-choking dragon at birth (though unfortunately not before). So does that mean that pitfall of a fashion statement (statement nearly literally) has saved the day?

    No, my friends. It shows that GM execs are too busy following up on Twitter to actually look at the proposals they are confronted with at the beginning. Are the captains of industries so tasteless and/or oblivious to such things that it takes a form of social uprising to show them what was visible from the start? Or is it because marketing is the million pound gorilla in the corner, a behemoth pulling its weight around to exert its opinion, thereby forcing everyone else to do as it says, only to be noticed by following the pulse of the exact consumers that it flings its dire excrement upon?

    I understand the need to follow up on society. That's how the right products make it to us consumers. What I don't understand is how it takes a system of coffee twitting, breakfast tweeting, shit twatting and look-at-me tweataratting to see that while everyone is entitled to their opinion, it shouldn't take a gazillion voices twasterblabbling to wake the fuck up.

    Yep, I still hate twitter, or rather, what it stands for. I should go facebook about it or something, as everyone should know this...

    Edit: and yes it took me quite a while to write this comment, hence the appearance that I am re-stating what so many others have stated. That makes me feel good, as I see I am not alone in this.
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    skitter promoted this comment Edited by oyumurtaci at 08/19/09 2:46 PM oyumurtaci was starred oyumurtaci was unstarred
    Image of Comrade Clockwork Comrade Clockwork
    08/19/09

    @oyumurtaci: It's funny to look at companies like BMW and Porsche who seemingly never listen to anyone but their products are dearly coveted. No substitute for strong and decisive leadership.
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    Image of oyumurtaci oyumurtaci
    08/19/09

    @Comrade Clockwork: I beg to differ. BMW leadership stuck with Bangle for long enough to attract more criticism than they should have been subjected to. However amazing their machines may be, they are losing their 'back to basics' ideology, as proven by the abomination that is the Crossover SUV car wagon hatchliftback thing, despite its surprising merits. And that is exactly the problem, what should be merits on all of the lineup are wasted on such niche products, however fashionable they may be. At the end of the day, more 3 series will be sold than the I-will-eat-you-alive-while-turning-a-corner-faster-than-a-roadster.

    Porsche has stuck to their basic ideology enough to create a consumer base comprised of Porsche-ists. And they listen to them. While Porsche leadership manages to get away with interesting projects (such as the boxster/cayman) quite successfully, They are already targeting a willing market, and even providing feedback in the form of products (remember that time with the 911 and the bumpy road and understeer?).

    It is because they have listened for so long, maintained there executive appeal, driving dynamics and interesting innovations (which is what buyers want), that they appear to be not listening. Others have been turning their deaf ear for so long, they have forgotten how to hear.
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    Image of Comrade Clockwork Comrade Clockwork
    08/19/09

    @oyumurtaci: COTD for your first post btw.

    But I disagree with you here. The bangle 7-series was their best selling ever. I-drive never slowed sales a bit and is aped by Audi and Merc. I can't stand the X6 but the damn thing is everywhere in my city. They get away with anything they want.

    And I don't know how many Porsche purists asked for the Cayenne or Panamera (both are hideous) but there doesn't seem to be any downside for them at all.
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    Image of oyumurtaci oyumurtaci
    08/19/09

    @Comrade Clockwork:
    First things first, thanks for the nominations...

    Best selling for a 7 series still isn't selling a lot of cars. Worst selling for a 3 series is a significant hit. And VW just bought Porsche, didn't they (although they have been playing that cat and mouse game forever).

    I agree, marques like these get away with a lot more than others, but if they abandoned their followers completely and churned out bland, badge-engineered, dissonant crap for too many extended periods, I have faith in us buyers that they would encounter the rude awakening that GM did eventually.
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    skitter promoted this comment Edited by oyumurtaci at 08/19/09 4:07 PM oyumurtaci was starred oyumurtaci was unstarred
    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    Or is this contrived to support GM's hip new image, having reinvented itself?
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    Image of Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    Remind me to buy Leigh-Anne "The Buick Slayer" Sessions a beer at MPG track days
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    08/19/09

    @Bentoboxx, Now part owner of General Motors: Hopefully after the track session.

    Unless they bring the Vuick.
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    Image of Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it
    08/19/09

    @Mad_Science: You only say that cause you seen me on the track and I look like Im drunk...I was actually quite sober!
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    08/19/09

    @Bentoboxx, Now part owner of General Motors: If I recall, I ended the weekend with the title Master of the Slip Angle...
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    So, on the one hand, GM killed this thing, which is good. On the other hand, GM is letting Twitter influence their product decisions, which makes me simultaneously laugh and cry.

    Anyway, thanks Ray for helping to eighty-six this turd.
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    Image of Comrade Clockwork Comrade Clockwork
    08/19/09

    In reply to GM Aborts Buick Crossover After Negative Twitter Response
    Good work by the General.

    I have to say, the next logical step instead of waiting to see whether or not people will Tweet is to just come right out and ask them what they think. You know, get a big group of people together and just ask them what they think.

    I shall call my new idea, "The Focus Group".
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    acarr260 promoted this comment Comrade Clockwork was starred Comrade Clockwork was unstarred
    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    08/19/09

    @Comrade Clockwork: Focus groups loved the Aztek. Seriously.
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