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    You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

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    Image of adamrice adamrice
    08/17/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

    I think the Triebflugel wins for crazy powertrains (and crazy everything).
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment adamrice was starred adamrice was unstarred
    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    08/17/09

    @adamrice: Seemed like a good idea at the time. Did this ever fly?
     Reply
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    08/17/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    Yo, yeah, everyone in the club, come on!

    I'm the Douglas MixMaster,
    No bomber can fly faster,
    Two V12 Allisons yo,
    Contra-props make me go!

    I betcha don't even know, what,
    Contrarotating even means, that,
    Makes flyin' and bombin' so, fast,
    Here's praying that the parts, last.

    They see me flyin'
    They runnin'
    Screamin' hiding from bombs on their city
    hiding from bombs on their city
     Reply
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    Image of Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car!
    08/18/09

    I'm a
    failed project,
    killed by the turbojet
    More horsepower,
    no respect...

    For the
    24 pistons,
    spinning the props,
    My gear box rocks
    even P39 was shocked!

    But my
    cooling problems
    and yaw...
    Made test pilots
    mess their drawers...

    And if it weren't
    for the end of that war
    Problems would be fixed...
    I could've knocked in
    Hitler's door!

    But I'm a
    failed project,
    killed by the turbojet
    More horsepower,
    no respect...

    For the
    24 pistons,
    spinning the props,
    My gear box rocks
    even DO335 was shocked!

    They could have fixed
    the problems
    Then I'd be a hero...
    Nobody could catch me
    Focke-Wulf nor Zero!

    But instead they canned me!
    Lost my wings
    and dismantled me!

    And I'm cursed to a grave
    from which others were saved
    No more XB-42
    even though jalops raved
    I'm not even displayed!

    And I'm a
    failed project,
    killed by the turbojet
    More horsepower,
    no respect...

    For the
    24 pistons,
    spinning the props,
    My gear box rocks
    Now I'm rotting in a box!
     Reply
    Murilee Martin promoted this comment Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! was starred Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! was unstarred
    Image of 2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig 2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

    Pfft, contra props? Long driveshaft in he bell Airacobra and KingCobra, mundane, why not have two engines, one pushing, and the other pulling.

    May I present the Dornier 335 Arrow
     Reply
    2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig was starred 2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig was unstarred
    Image of 2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig 2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig
    08/16/09


    @2Wheelsor4: Ze Ümlaüt in Motörhead:

    Powered of course by nothing less than Daimler Benz engines, get the Junkers Jumo garbage out of here!
     Reply
    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment 2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig was starred 2Wheelsor4: The Moto-Stig was unstarred
    Image of r0ver r0ver
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    Reading the Wikipedia article asssciated,I see a mention of a book in the index 'The Worlds Worst Aircraft' . Is this a Jalopnik reference manual ?
     Reply
    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment r0ver was starred r0ver was unstarred
    Image of ursa ursa
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    except for the contrarotating props combining two engines into one output is pretty common in helicopters. And two into two contra-props is how every twin rotor helicopter works (Flying Banana to Chinook)

    Planes like this were great - except that they weren't. This was the tail end of the piston engine era. (no pun intended)

    By the time this came around the German's had planes like the Ar 234.
     Reply
    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment ursa was starred ursa was unstarred
    Image of Mobius Mobius
    08/16/09

    @ursa: "combining two engines into one output is pretty common" and heck, in Volkswagens, too.
     Reply
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    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    This just reminds me how sad I am that the F-22 has been cut back and the replacement for the Space Shuttle is a fucking rocket.
     Reply
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    Image of dohcspit dohcspit
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

    Why stop at one contra-rotating prop:
     Reply
    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment dohcspit was starred dohcspit was unstarred
    Image of Thrashy, perpetual Minardi Thrashy, perpetual Minardi
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

    co-axial contra-rotating helicopters have all that stuff, plus a bunch of control linkages.

    Helicopters are scary.
     Reply
    skaycog misses lost friends promoted this comment Thrashy, perpetual Minardi was starred Thrashy, perpetual Minardi was unstarred
    Image of dohcspit dohcspit
    08/16/09


    @Thrashy supports the banned CSRs: Don't forget the Kaman eggbeaters. Not actually as complicated as coaxial, but still freaky.
     Reply
    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment dohcspit was starred dohcspit was unstarred
    Image of ccc40821 ccc40821
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    The Germans used a more sensible two-engine design, by having an engine and prop at each end; the Dornier Do335, also known unofficially as 'The Anteater', probably on account of its looks. Still lost the war, though....
     Reply
    discontinuuity is missing Uncle Pete, the Auto Insider, and the Banhammered Nine promoted this comment ccc40821 was starred ccc40821 was unstarred
    Image of Super Moose Super Moose
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

    Ha you want to see something crazy? This is the drive train for the P-39 Airacobra. The propeller actually rotates around a 37mm cannon and the drive shaft went right between the pilots legs because the engine was mounted behind the cockpit.
     Reply
    skaycog misses lost friends promoted this comment Super Moose was starred Super Moose was unstarred
    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    08/16/09


    @Super Moose: Love. That. Plane.
     Reply
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    Image of MadcowsDiseased MadcowsDiseased
    08/16/09

    @evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars: Don't give me a P-39, with an engine mounted behind. It will tumble, and roll, and dig a deep hole. Don't give me a P-39.
     Reply
    evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars promoted this comment MadcowsDiseased was starred MadcowsDiseased was unstarred
    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    08/17/09

    @madcows: Heh, that got a chuckle. I suppose the P-39 could be considered the Porsche 911 of the skies. However, I still go goofy for a plane built 'round a great big gun.
     Reply
    Edited by evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars at 08/17/09 2:15 AM evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars was starred evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars was unstarred
    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    08/17/09

    @madcows: mm mm mma mad to tha bone: Damn, you beat me to it.
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    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    08/21/09

    @Super Moose: The Airacobra is made even cooler by the car-style doors for pilot access. No undignified clambering for Airacobra pilots!
     Reply
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    Image of stinkycatfish stinkycatfish
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

    This is my favorite ill-advised aircraft:

    [en.wikipedia.org]
     Reply
    skaycog misses lost friends promoted this comment stinkycatfish was starred stinkycatfish was unstarred
    Image of evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars
    08/16/09

    @stinkycatfish: I can see the test pilot thinking, "you want me to fly what?"

    Maybe opposing pilot would've been paralyzed by fits of laughter upon seeing this lovable little plane.
     Reply
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    Image of stinkycatfish stinkycatfish
    08/19/09

    @evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars: Scary stuff though
     Reply
    stinkycatfish was starred stinkycatfish was unstarred
    Image of f86sabre f86sabre
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    I see you the XB-42 and raise you the Convair XFY-1. Same sort of drive train with counter rotating props, BUT you have to be able to back the damn thing up to land. Have fun with that.

    [en.wikipedia.org]
     Reply
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    Image of Buickboy92 Buickboy92
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    Wow, Cool looking plane. You think they make something like this today?
     Reply
    skaycog misses lost friends promoted this comment Buickboy92 was starred Buickboy92 was unstarred
    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    08/16/09

    @Buickboy92: They make modern pusher prop planes still.
     Reply
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    Image of FuturePastNow FuturePastNow
    08/20/09

    @Buickboy92: They could probably take this design and base a pretty high-performance, high-efficiency turboprop on it.

    Or maybe a propfan? That would be cool.
     Reply
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!
    That is some fucking Planeopnik right there.
     Reply
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    Image of LBJ's Love Child LBJ's Love Child
    08/16/09

    In reply to You Like Complicated Drivetrains? Douglas XB-42 Mixmaster!

    And people thought the damn Krauts had all the cool ideas. Hell, we not only had good ideas, we WON the damn war.
     Reply
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    Image of UglyDuckCar UglyDuckCar
    08/16/09

    @LBJ's Love Child:
    We had all the cool ideas because we had all the Krauts. We stole the ideas. They had night vision, helicopters, the first jet, V2, and yes, "V3 Rockets" (not an error). Sorry, but the germans definitely deserve most of the credit for laying the foundation of modern military equipment, not us.
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    discontinuuity is missing Uncle Pete, the Auto Insider, and the Banhammered Nine promoted this comment UglyDuckCar was starred UglyDuckCar was unstarred
    Image of LBJ's Love Child LBJ's Love Child
    08/16/09

    @UglyDuckCar: Post war, post war.
    .
    We didn't steal much during WWII (we didn't "steal" Einstein). The Germans stole their Panzerfaust from our Bazooka (they improved the hell out of it).

    The Germans had rocketry (originally "stolen" from us), but we had the payload.
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