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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    Needs more supercharged four-banger on its side under the floor driving the rear wheels...ness.
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    I love Toyota's approach to redesigns in the last few years has been "lets make the center section of the car look 100% identical to the old one, while adding chintsy taillights and the most hideous front end possible."

    i.e. Camry, Corolla, this.
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    Image of MaWeiTao MaWeiTao
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    Why can't US-bound Japanese minivans look as sleek as the Japanese models they're based on? Why do they all have to look like frumpy, bloated wannabe SUVs?

    I see they're going for the Ford and Chrysler approach to forced branding: force the corporate grille onto every vehicle in a way that doesn't suit the car at all. It looks like the car wasn't originally designed for this grille, but management decided the car had to have it.

    And what's with that swipe extending from the center console across the left side of the dashboard? It's extremely distracting; it keeps drawing my eye away from the center console. This looks like one of those awkward design compromises, a clumsy union of high design and cost-cutting.
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    Some of it's ok. The front-end treatment is terrible. Needs a different color to get further reaction.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    If I really want to buy a white van, can I get one of these please?

    225hp; 6sp Manual; 0-60: 7.9s; Top Speed: 143mph.

    Thanks.
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    If I had the need for something like this, I'd get a Ford Flex.
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    Image of tekamul tekamul
    12/02/09

    @skaycog was here: If you truly needed one, though, you'd miss the sliding doors.
    After the 23rd time junior railed somebody's convertible with a read door, you eat the depreciation for a stigmatic minivan
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    12/02/09

    @tekamul: You might be right about the sliding doors, but since there's no junior, I'd still get a Flex.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    Zip ties: they can fix the floor mats, but they can't fix the ugly.
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    12/02/09

    @pauljones: I don't know, give me enough of them and I think I can make a van that looks better than this thing.
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    Image of Ash78, tryptophanatic Ash78, tryptophanatic
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    Not bad at all. Best revision yet...much more wagony.

    Horrible, horrible grille.
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    Image of Scandinavian Flick Scandinavian Flick
    12/02/09

    In reply to 2011 Toyota Sienna: Like A Venza, But With Interior Space
    Time to slam it to the ground, camber the hell out of some deep dish wheels, slap a Mercedes clip on the front, and hoon the kids to school.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    @Scandinavian Flick: Read the press release section on the new sportier SE.

    Wes, can you please get yourself a ride in an SE? I'm dying to know what a sporty minivan is like.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12/02/09

    @Scandinavian Flick: Done.
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    12/02/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: For those who can't get enough of "unique interior colors and trim."
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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    12/01/09

    In reply to TIMELINE: Toyota Reacts To Floor Mat Fiery Death Problem
    They also recalled floor mats in 2007 for this same issue, making it amazing that it's still not fixed.
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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    12/01/09

    In reply to Hyundai Feasts In November, Sales Up 46%
    Woo!
    I got a Gencoupe and I love it - it's exactly what I was looking for, and there was literally no competition within $10,000 of it.
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    Image of Parramore Parramore
    12/01/09

    @fuchikoma: $10k? Are you sure?
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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    12/01/09

    @Parramore: Well, looking at 2-ish litre rear wheel sport coupes, the nearest comparable car I could find was the 370Z, which is more than 10k more and has a 3.7L V6 which I wasn't in the market for in the first place.

    I'd have liked a 240SX, or something with a bit more power, but they're 11 years out of production. I'd have had fun with an MR-2, but they're canned too. I'd have loved a Lotus Exige, but they're fantastically far out of my price range, and I don't think they can be had for any price around where I live... Actually, the more I think about it, the more it seems that apart from the Genesis Coupe, the type of car I was looking for is extinct at almost any cost.
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    Image of Parramore Parramore
    12/01/09

    @fuchikoma: If you're looking particularly at the 4 cyl I guess you're right. The 370Z was what I had in mind, assuming you'd bargain with the Nissan saleperson to bring down the price, and assuming a 3.8 Genesis.
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    Image of fuchikoma fuchikoma
    12/01/09

    @Parramore: Fair enough... there is a lot more like the 3.8L V6. I tend to like 2L I4 cars, especially turbocharged engines; it's just the right balance of performance, economy, and managability for me. (it's a skating rink outside today, so I don't want another 100-200hp...)

    They got my business because I wanted something like this, had pretty much given up finding it, and just before settling for something else, I heard about these and gave one a try. They actually had to order one for me to buy because they wouldn't stay on the lot for more than a week, so it seems there was an unsatisfied market for this type of car already...
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    12/01/09

    In reply to Hyundai Feasts In November, Sales Up 46%
    I'd revise the headline: Hyundai Feasts In November, Sales Up 46%; Proves Either There Is No God or The Typical American's Idea of An Exciting Evening is Sitting At Home Watching Syndicated American Idol Re-Runs While Eating Plain Cottage Cheese
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    Image of buick61 buick61
    12/01/09

    @bmoreDLJ: Whoa whoa whoa. I was sitting at home watching syndicated American Idol reruns just this weekend. I have 4 RWD American cars, three with V8s. So, I don't see how those are related.
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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    12/01/09

    @buick61: I don't own a tv nor a car, yet here I am. I dunno whether that proves anything...
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    12/01/09

    In reply to Hyundai Feasts In November, Sales Up 46%
    For years I have been murdering the pronunciation of Hyundai. Hey, crappy education and not giving a damn is to blame.

    Last night I finally got it right, I have got the flue something fierce and as I was throwing up I realized every time I did it sounded like "Hyundai!" Why is that important?

    Because after reading this story I just Hyundaied in my mouth a little bit.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    12/01/09

    @lilwillie: My favorite one is Haioondaaaaeeeh. Makes no sense, but everyone knows what it is.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/01/09

    In reply to Hyundai Feasts In November, Sales Up 46%
    Hyundai's benefitting from an improved perception of quality, new products, and the Assurance program, but I would bet that the single most significant factor in its recent success, especially relative to competitors, is the McDonald's effect. In tough economic times, consumers take one step down on price (e.g. replacing Chili's with McDonald's).
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    Image of Ash78, tryptophanatic Ash78, tryptophanatic
    12/01/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Do you mean to imply that this boost is short-lived? (not a loaded question, just curious)

    I'm wondering the same...is Hyundai truly the "next Honda" or is it just based on temporary frugailty?
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/01/09

    @Ash78, tryptophanatic: My guess is that a significant part of the boost is temporary and arguably unrelated to product quality. That's not to say that I think Hyundai sucks or hasn't earned some of its recent success honestly. If it keeps bringing us quality cars at the right price, I think its future looks a lot more like Honda than like, well, Hyundai. All my humble, uneducated, not-entirely-sober opinion, mind you.
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    12/01/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: I've heard it referred to as the Peanut Butter Effect, it's a pop-economics term for products whose sales tend to increase when economic activity slumps.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    12/01/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: Not sober? Where do you live? It's still about 3:30pm around where I live. I envy you.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/01/09

    @FTGDWolverineEdition'09: Dallas, but anytime's a good time for Clozapine.
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    12/01/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: I believe the 'temporariness" of the boost will be determined by how satisfied all these new customers end up being with their new cars. It's a game of retension now.
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    Image of Scandinavian Flick Scandinavian Flick
    12/01/09

    In reply to Hyundai Feasts In November, Sales Up 46%
    I wonder how much aggressive sales tactics play a part in this...
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    Image of tempesjo tempesjo
    12/01/09

    @Scandinavian Flick: The new sales tactics are described as "enhanced sales techniques" in Hyundai's 2009 business plan.
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