@siva80: I do, but it's not totally insane without it. Car is surprisingly easy to drive. Granted if you do go over that edge a little bit it'll bite back.
@egoods: That's the hardest part of driving the R1 cars, I find. The line between "you aren't giving it enough gas in this corner and all your opponents are now passing you" and "too much gas, your car is now spinning at 250 rpm" is too fine for my fat fingers. I still refuse to use traction control though.
A 140 horsepower Rab...er...Golf isn't going to do much to change the perceptions of Americans who think that diesels are too damned slow.
We know that the 236 lbft will do more for driving enjoyment than the 140hp and "under 10 seconds" sprint to 60 would seem to indicate, but we aren't a big enough percentage of the new car buying population to change current perceptions.
I'm sure it'll be a fun commuter, but the majority of folks looking for a fun commuter are still going to be turned away by the 140 and 8.6 numbers. VW needs to get a good ad team together to show people what that "other" number is all about. (and I'm not talking about mpg)
@smalleyxb122 is hoping the forecast is wrong for Garrettsville this weekend: What, exactly, are they going to buy with these mpg numbers that would be more fun? I've driven the old 1.9, and it was plenty of fun for such a miserly plant. And the grunt on the highway is what's going to impress commuters.
As with all US VWs, this thing is overpriced, but if VW's sourcing this from Europe instead of Mexico, maybe it won't have the usual fallapart issues.
Yes, exactly...sure 8.6 0-60 isn't blazing (it's not that slow either). BUT...it comes close to hybrid numbers on MPG and it is *way* faster than a hybrid.
Only 42mpg highway? My '01 Golf 2-dr TDI will get about 50mpg on the highway with two people onboard and using the A/C. Maybe I'll consider a new one when my current 413,000 mile one wears out in, oh, 2015 or so.
@Tomsk 9 from Outer Space: I hope you're right as I want to limit my bemoaning. I re-read the above release, and it says "A five-speed manual transmission comes standard on the two-door model,
and a six-speed automatic gearbox with Tiptronic® control is standard on the
four-door" but doesn't clarify engines, more of a blanket statement. I could do without the touchscreen as well.
@e30 guy: "To deliver all that power to the road smoothly, a traditional six-speed
manual transmission comes standard on the clean diesel TDI, and is good for an
EPA-estimated 30 mpg during city travel, 41 mpg on the highway, and zero to 60
mph time of 8.6 seconds."
"For years we've bemoaned the lack of a diesel option in the Golf range. No more. Not only is the 2010 VW Golf TDI coming to America, it'll be available with a manual, lowered sport suspension and 42 MPG highway."
Hmmmm....I am trying to find excuses to bitch about how we Americans are not getting the good stuff...Can anyone find any excuses on behalf of me to bitch about this car? I am trying hard....real hard.....
It's not American owned or built! Why can't Ford give us the Focus diesel with a 6spd manual?? And with sport suspension? Those damn Europeans! I hate you Ford NA!
@FTGDWolverineEdition'09: You could bemoan the fact that once the economy starts recovering, diesel prices will once again jump back up and remove any advantage to driving a TDI. The government would have to remove that additional tax on diesel before buying a TDI is worth it. Of course, even then you're still paying a few thousand more for one compared to a gasoline equivalent. Those are the two major issues that dissuaded me from buying a Jetta SportWagen TDI.
@cabjf: And the lack of sufficient gas stations with diesel pumps? I seriously have to go at least 5 or 6 miles from where I live just to find a pump. I found that hard fact when I took home a prototype diesel powered pickup-truck for a weekend.
@FTGDWolverineEdition'09: Where are these gas stations without diesel? They ALL do around here, but maybe that's because of all the huge diesel pickups that roam our streets.
@FTGDWolverineEdition'09: Pretty much any big gas station has diesel, and most built somewhat recently all have it too.
If you want somebody to bitch at, the government is always a good choice for either their high diesel taxes, stupid emissions laws or their non-standardization of crash test regulation.
Um, I've had vehicles under my own synthetic oil program, a 1995 3.5L Intrepid, a 1991 Honda ST1100, a 1989 Honda Transalp, a 1999 Suckazuki Grand Lametara, and a 2002 Lexus RX300, on 'extended' oil changes (read: at least five digits, in miles, before changes), for the past 15+ years.
Hell, both Mercedes, the W126 4.2L I used to own, and the W124 3.2L I now drive, aren't on synthetic, but I rely on their superior German engineering (and 8 litres of oil capacity) to deliver 15K miles, or more, between changes.
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that ain't the way to have fun, son was starred
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@Glenfiddich is good: I see your sarcasm but how many cars from the W124 do you still see on the road? My parents still drive a W124 and it's surpassed all expectations given that it's 22 years old.
Yeah...I readily admit my 124 is more solid, now, after 157K miles and 15 years, than the '99 Suzuki Grand Vitara it replaced was after six months and 8K miles.
This is kind of a downside, since it means most junkyard Mercedes have over 300K miles on 'em, or are just beat to hell/wrecked.
I've owned an 01 Jetta TDI since May, my commuting/around town mileage is about 36 and 41 on a Vegas to California road trip with 4 larger occupants.
I've been won over by VW's TDI and diesel power.
@Syrax, the hyrax: Those are indeed U.S. gallons, but the number was still derived from the European fuel economy cycle, which returns much higher numbers than the US cycle.
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My civic get's better city, and same highway...
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We know that the 236 lbft will do more for driving enjoyment than the 140hp and "under 10 seconds" sprint to 60 would seem to indicate, but we aren't a big enough percentage of the new car buying population to change current perceptions.
I'm sure it'll be a fun commuter, but the majority of folks looking for a fun commuter are still going to be turned away by the 140 and 8.6 numbers. VW needs to get a good ad team together to show people what that "other" number is all about. (and I'm not talking about mpg)
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As with all US VWs, this thing is overpriced, but if VW's sourcing this from Europe instead of Mexico, maybe it won't have the usual fallapart issues.
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Yes, exactly...sure 8.6 0-60 isn't blazing (it's not that slow either). BUT...it comes close to hybrid numbers on MPG and it is *way* faster than a hybrid.
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It's on a diesel page, at that! The layers of irony and humor may have the universe imploding, later today.
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and a six-speed automatic gearbox with Tiptronic® control is standard on the
four-door" but doesn't clarify engines, more of a blanket statement. I could do without the touchscreen as well.
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manual transmission comes standard on the clean diesel TDI, and is good for an
EPA-estimated 30 mpg during city travel, 41 mpg on the highway, and zero to 60
mph time of 8.6 seconds."
The formatting does make for difficult reading.
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Hmmmm....I am trying to find excuses to bitch about how we Americans are not getting the good stuff...Can anyone find any excuses on behalf of me to bitch about this car? I am trying hard....real hard.....
It's not American owned or built! Why can't Ford give us the Focus diesel with a 6spd manual?? And with sport suspension? Those damn Europeans! I hate you Ford NA!
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If you want somebody to bitch at, the government is always a good choice for either their high diesel taxes, stupid emissions laws or their non-standardization of crash test regulation.
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Hell, both Mercedes, the W126 4.2L I used to own, and the W124 3.2L I now drive, aren't on synthetic, but I rely on their superior German engineering (and 8 litres of oil capacity) to deliver 15K miles, or more, between changes.
/bolded text is sarcasm, for the uninitiated
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Yeah...I readily admit my 124 is more solid, now, after 157K miles and 15 years, than the '99 Suzuki Grand Vitara it replaced was after six months and 8K miles.
This is kind of a downside, since it means most junkyard Mercedes have over 300K miles on 'em, or are just beat to hell/wrecked.
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I've been won over by VW's TDI and diesel power.
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US mileage would probably be in the mid-thirties. Terrible, right?
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