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ThreeLitre
07/15/09

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Good God. So what warp factor would this be capable of then?
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pauljones
07/15/09

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It's probably just me, but these new Lamborghinis just don't do anything for me. The original, awesome Lamborghinis such as the Miura, Countach, and Diablo were awesome spectacles of RWD sports car engineering that would just as happily kill their drivers as lap a track. They were also known to start only when it suited them, randomly quit when it suited them, and spontaneously combust at will.

Sure, they were dangerous cars. But that is what made them so cool and so interesting. It took a real man to so much as open the doors of these cars, let alone drive and master them. They were the Hemingway of sports cars. Pure, visceral, testosterone-filled exercises in existentialism.

And then they "refined" Lamborghini with the introduction of the Murcielago and Gallardo, and then VW went one step further in increasing production costs so that every wannabe Hollywood douche and Kim Kardashian could have one.

And now they release the Balboni (terrible name, btw), and potentially this, and market them as being sports cars that are "exclusive", "wild", and "dangerous"?

There is nothing especially exclusive about them. There may only be 250 of them to begin with, but that will change as soon as they start selling, at which point they will be built in even bigger volumes, to the detriment of those who initially bought them. "Wild" and "dangerous"? Sorry kids, but it takes more than a pretty face to dance and capture the imagination of pubescent boys.

What happened, Lamborghini?

You've turned into the Nordstroms of sports cars. You sell expensive stuff that you claim is wild (but isn't), and then have sale after sale, but only after you ridiculously jack up your prices, just as you release a car that is wild only compared to its much tamed contemporary brethren (but a total pushover compared to its illustrious predecessors).
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Mobius
07/15/09

@pauljones: Maybe because dead drivers aren't the best advertisement for your cars.

But then again, nor are burning cars.

Or maybe it's the Audi/German-ness that make their cars, well, better cars, but worse supercars.
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pauljones
07/15/09

@Mobius_1000_Club: Apparently it worked for a guy trying to sell a green Rover.

Besides, if I buy a Lamborghini, I want a Lamborghini. I want a car where the salesman advises me that there is a 67% chance the car won't start right away, a 58% chance that it will randomly stop running, a 32% chance that the car will try to kill me, and an 18% chance it will randomly burn itself to the ground on any given day, but there is always 100% chance of awesomeness everyday of the week and twice on Sundays.

Dammit, I want a Lamborghini

These new, post-VW ownership Lambos just don't offer that.
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yachius
07/15/09

@pauljones: What happened to Lamborghini was a family of purists got bought out by a giant multi-national corporation who have to answer to shareholders. Every decision is tempered by that all consuming need to constantly bolster the bottom line.

Gone are the days when you could make an insane sports car in your tractor shop and bring it to market with every dime invested in making it a better car. Now it's all about safety and regulations and appealing to as wide an audience as possible rather than going after the niche enthusiasts.

Dammit pauljones! I was in a great mood before coming across your comment. Now I just want to take over the world so I can save Lambo from themselves.
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brandegee
07/15/09

@pauljones: The car you are looking for is a Koenigsegg. Or maybe a Caparo T1. A Pagani Zonda F ZR Prosciutto di Parma might also work.

Lamborghini is just far too buttoned-down these days. The company that gave the finger to Ferrari, stole BMW's money, went 180 mph on 60 Minutes, told Gandini to shove it, eschewed slushboxes (mostly), and made the Jota no longer exists.
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Mobius
07/15/09

@brandegee: Amen. Lamborghini is dead. Practicality killed it.

I think that because car making is no longer a blank instructional book that the engineers are going to write as they build their cars, but rather a book that's now filled and tells them how to do exactly what to make what component behave in exactly what way, and all for a certain price, and lasts a certain number of years. Sure it's imperfect, but it's, for all intents and purposes to us enthusiasts, too close to perfect. An engineer can no longer do something world-breaking with a car. It is no longer an art, but an exact science. And science is no fun.

What's more, it is only logical to make a car better than the one before it. And now, after decades of hooning and honing, the car is so competent, it's become painfully boring. No longer can one be excited driving down a country road, no longer does one need to stay awake and concentrated to drive to the shops, no longer is driving beyond the speed limit a death sentence to the driver and every single passenger.

It's over. Cars simply cannot be both competitive and exciting without being overwhelming (unless you are Michael Schumacher). Let's all build scramjet-powered ekranoplanes until that becomes boring.

Amen.
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LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
Now that's one fat arsed bitch!
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Elhigh
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
All it needs is a Holly in a fur bikini and Chaka and that'd be the Garage of the Lost.
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Mad_Science
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
That 70s breakdown picture could easily be me and The Missus if we were 30 years older.

That's about the only reason I can think of to want to be 30 years older.
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Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
Well Peter- you're new, I appreciate your honesty about your wrongheaded antiwagon bias, I've really enjoyed your articles thus far, and this car is undeniably cool- but, "ultimate station wagon"? Let's see:

*Backwards-facing third seat "Observation Lounge"? Nope.
*Vista Cruiser roof? Nope.
*Fauxwood paneling? No again.

Not to mention the deplorable lack of roofrack and Harvest Gold and/or Avocado Green paintjob..

In short, you are wrong.
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Peter Orosz
05/06/09

@V16Valiant: I think a proper Italian carrozzeria like Touring will cater to every one of those need. With barely a twist of the nose.
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brandegee
05/07/09

@Peter Orosz: Would Touring really deign to paint a creation of theirs in avocado green?
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Peter Orosz
05/07/09

@brandegee: Okay, maybe that's a Bertone job. Maybe!
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Novaload
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!
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LuciferV8
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
I could swear I saw wheels like that on some boxy 80's Chevy wagon.
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Number_Six
05/06/09

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Why the hell can't I change my screen name? Cinco de mayo is over!
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Pessimippopotamus
05/06/09

@Numero_seis: MWAHAHA. Join the club! I haven't been the same since the Ash Wednesday! (Well. I have been. Exactly the same, but with no name changey powers)

Pleaaase Pete! Give us our name changing powers back!
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Tossed Accord taco salad over Malibu face
05/06/09

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SWEET CHRIST!

A MIURA.. in the same space as a Quattro Wagon!

Damn.

I mean... D A M N!

I bet.. the dude paid upwards of 300k for this motha. I'd like to see the interior. Prob has more leather / cow in THAT interior than every MCDS in a 5 state radius.

Bet it has a V-12.

And I bet.. the guy doesnt even hit over 60 in it..

Man.. *drools* WOW.
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.357
05/06/09

@Accords went loco, killed Camry and Malibu.:

I KNOW...

Isn't it AWESOME?

He...probably is pretty damn RICH

I...THOUGHT... I would try... your writing STYLE.
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Pessimippopotamus
05/06/09

@.357: Watch out. You could start a thing here, and all that'll be left of you will be...

KNW...

sn't t WSM?

H...prbbly i prtty dmn RCH

...THGHT... wld try... yr wrtng STYL.
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.357
05/06/09

@Pessimipposaurus: Tht wld sck.
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Jo Schmo
05/06/09

@.357: I TOO.... have BEEN trying to GET A.... HANDLE ON YOUR unique STYLE

I NEED TO.... MAKE A macro that randomly

INSERTS SPACES and .... dots AND

TURNS MY caps ON and off at ...random INTERVALS

joking aside i kind of agree with what you said
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1dollar93
05/06/09

@Jo Schmo Especial: I smell a Jalopmeme.
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Captain Liverspots
05/06/09

@All of the Above:

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.357
05/06/09

@1dollar93: A JALOPmeme?

That...WOULD be great

By the way... Accord I... am... just... KIDDING.
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Jo Schmo
05/06/09

@1dollar93: Its possible.

I SEEM TO CREATE THOSE...

from time... to time

WITHOUT...

REAllY trying
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.357
05/06/09

@Major Liverfailure:

I... wasn't REALLY trying to

START A MEME...

I WAS just trying... TO BE ACCORD...
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Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
05/06/09

@.357:

Hmmm...
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Jo Schmo
05/06/09

@.357:
MAYBE... I SHOULD... CHANGE MY NAME.... TO

JAMES ACCORD.... KIRK

oh sweet jesus thats not possible because the DAMN GAWKER HAMSTERS WONT LET ME....
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.357
05/06/09

@Jo Schmo Especial: I WOULD...HAVE changed... IT... to... ACCORD Holding a .357 To His Head.
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Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
05/06/09

@.357: I think...that random spaces...gives more suspense...to what your...writing...however I also makes you sound like...you have some sort...of internet...tourettes..
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.357
05/06/09

@Baron Schm Von Shamwoüzen has swine flu: I understand. Some people do that...FUCK

I just don't understand why...SHIT
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Tossed Accord taco salad over Malibu face
05/06/09

@.357:

I know you'd like to be like me..

But its a thought process.

YET no comments about the car... nice.
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Tossed Accord taco salad over Malibu face
05/06/09

@.357:

I normally dont just insert random curse words.. unless Megan is involved...

Or more hatred from GM comes out...
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.357
05/06/09

@Accords went loco, killed Camry and Malibu.: Hey, man your the master, I'm just the apprentice. When I said it was AWESOME, I meant the car and your writing style.

Seriously don't stop with your CAPITALS and elipses... It's pretty interesting.
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Pessimippopotamus
05/06/09

@Accords went loco, killed Camry and Malibu.: You're either going to be very happy, or very angry to be here.
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Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
I can see why your not so enamored with wagons, Mr Orosz. But let me try to put into words why many of my fellow commentators love wagons so much.

You live in Europe, land of multitudes of wagons, hot hatches and little diesel engines. Mercedes E200 CDI Estates are a dime a dozen as taxis. The SUV is the odd-man out, and it is representative of exclusivity to most of the European populace. When they see an ML or an X5 parked on the street, it conveys a major sense of wealth without looking like a driver for hire.

However, in America, things are different. People drive big, petrol powered monsters, and quite frankly, that's fine. Different strokes for different folks, I'm all about the free market. But the overreaching point is that since Range Rovers and Mercedes MLs are at prices almost equal to most luxury saloons (In fact, in America, the base price of the 09 E350 estate is 15K MORE expensive than the ML350), and gas is/was sort of cheap. SUVs loose their exclusivity, their uniqueness.
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Skunky
05/06/09

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Huh, I didn't know the rebel base on Hoth had a parking garage.
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Peter Orosz
05/06/09

@Skunky: There's one on the Alien planet LV-426 too: [jalopnik.com]
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Braff
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
time to break out the old shop from last time this was shown:

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Brady Butterfield
05/06/09

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Szia Mr. Russian. I love the hungarian point of view. Thanks for the excellent Euro perspective. I'll have to buy you a drink down on Vatzi Utza sometime.

B
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Number_Six
05/06/09

@Brady Butterfield: Hey, I used to live on Lonyay Utca!
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Peter Orosz
05/06/09

@Numero_seis: Ha, it's becoming a proper Budapest sub-thread here.
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engineerd
05/06/09

In reply to Maserati Quattroporte Bellagio Fastback Touring: The Ultimate Station Wagon
Peter, if you are going to deride the station wagon, at least deride it for the right reasons. Such as, "The station wagon, more than any vehicle, is a frivolous exhibition of baby making potency."
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Peter Orosz
05/06/09

@engineerd: You know, I'm kind of worried what'll happen if I end up having three kids down the line-and no more seats in the Espada.
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