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    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    11/24/09

    In reply to 2010 Subaru WRX STI Special Edition Looks Like Spec C, Isn’t
    This is exactly the one I would have.
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    11/24/09

    In reply to 2010 Subaru WRX STI Special Edition Looks Like Spec C, Isn’t
    "Its styling is unlikely to win fans amongst those of us blessed with the gift of sight."

    Autocar just provided the ultimate car review phrase book.
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    11/24/09

    In reply to 2010 Subaru WRX STI Special Edition Looks Like Spec C, Isn’t
    Is there an option to ditch the dunlops for Hoosier R6's, with a set of snows on steelies?
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    11/24/09

    In reply to 2010 Subaru WRX STI Special Edition Looks Like Spec C, Isn’t
    It's still homely.
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    Image of HammSammich HammSammich
    11/03/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    "we'd still like to see more actual bikes use powerful car engines"

    I'd rather see more cars use powerful bike engines... #subaru
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    11/03/09

    @HammSammich: Why? Caterham's and superlight hand made track machines aside, what would be the benefit? #subaru
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    11/03/09

    @area_educator: Well, as you note that it could be a significant performance benefit for track-day cars, but could also be employed for efficiency-sake in the smallest passenger cars. Compare the performance and weight of Triumph's 1050cc triple to a Toyota 3zz or 4zz, for example.

    Frankly, my two-wheeled tastes are geared toward achieving more mobility and performance with less. Sure, it's fun to see such bizarre contraptions come to life, but primarily as engineering and fabrication excercises. Ultimately, other than on paper - or perhaps the dragstrip, you're not greatly improving the performance (or fun) by adding a big heavy automotive engine to a bike. #subaru
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    11/03/09

    @HammSammich: What will I find if I compare the 1050 Triple with the 3zz? That the 3zz is 20 hp down, but that it makes 22 ft-lb more torque and that it does so probably about halfway to redline while the Triple reaches its peak torque 3/4 of the way to redline?

    How well is an engine that's a stonking great engine in a 416 lb streetfighter going to perform in a 2500 lb car? Or even a 2100 lb car? Do you think driveability, NVH, might suffer from having to constantly rev the thing at 8,000 RPM to get anything done?

    How do service intervals compare? #subaru
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    Image of HammSammich HammSammich
    11/03/09

    @area_educator: Indeed, for most bikes, tuning is towards horsepower rather than torque as that's where the performance is needed, but the 1050 triple I referenced, in particular, is well suited to adjustments that increase the torque (I know - while sacrificing horsepower). Additionally, most dyno tests show that torque peaks at 4500-4750 Rpm on that motor (as installed in the Tiger w/ a 10,000 RPM redline), which is somewhat high, but not unacceptable for a commuter car. Reliability and service endurance when pressed into use for a far more demanding duty than designed are certainly issues.

    Look, I'm no automotive engineer (and for all I know you might be), and I appreciate that it's not as simple as bolting motorcycle engines directly into every passenger car. But I think it is a far more interesting challange with a much greater potential gain to use motorcycle engines in cars than the reverse. #subaru
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    11/03/09

    @HammSammich: I got the "3/4 of the way to redline" from a graph showing the Speed Triple's torque curve (don't recall where, off the top of my head-- but I probably googled "Triumph 1050 triple torque curve". I will grant that the Triple's torque curve was surprisingly flat for a sporty motorcycle engine.

    No, I'm no automotive engineer. I agree that, while amusing, stuffing a car engine into a motorcycle has limited utility (I recall reading that bikes built around VW flat fours were good tourers).

    I just think that we (versatile motor enthusiasts) tend to look at a great motorcycle engine with these crazy HP numbers in such a small package, and then put on our rose colored glasses and envision that engine in a car as the best thing ever. Sadly, I think it's an idea with limited utility.

    Don't get me wrong-- I often LOVE ideas with limited utility. I've got a 2 and a half door Saturn SC2 coupe which I'd like to convert to a midengine beast with a Northstar V8 where the back seat currently is. It's a terrible idea, clearly.

    There are certainly lessons auto engine engineers can learn from motorcycle engines, though. #subaru
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    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    It looks cool, but I can't help but think there are far better engine options. The placement of that intercooler seems less than ideal. #subaru
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    11/02/09

    @MaWeiTao: That placement ensures that the rider has the hot hand in any competition. #subaru
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    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    That turbo placement can't be good for the rider's sperm count. #subaru
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?

    Oooh. That'd be a nice alternative to the existing Car engine powered bat guano bike concepts. Like the Tomahawk. *Ironically the Tomahawk would be 4WD.
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    11/02/09


    @Pessimippopotamus: Or the Hemi trike. I'm sure everyone's seen these before, but just in case... #subaru
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    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    Byke for Dykes? #subaru
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    Image of Flathead Smith Flathead Smith
    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?

    Here's what a Subaru on three wheels looks like. I guess as they shed wheels they look worse, or better if you like that sort of thing. #subaru
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    11/02/09


    Subaru picture #subaru
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    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    This, if the engine is from an Outback.
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    Image of LoganSix LoganSix
    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    Dodge did it better.... and badder. #subaru
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    11/02/09

    @LoganSix: Well, this is just a student rendering. How does your design stack up to the Tommahawk? #subaru
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/02/09

    @High Speed Indeed: Mine has two wheels, a telescoping steering wheel, foot pedals, has an automatic transmission, is fire truck red, has big chrome wheels, and is powered by no-smog airplane engine that runs on unicorn farts.
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    11/02/09


    @pauljones: Your description made me think of this thing. #subaru
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    11/02/09

    @High Speed Indeed: I think maybe I should call my patent attorney. #subaru
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    That is super wacky. I really hope someone builds at least one of these. #subaru
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    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    It looks like it will translate to Lego Technic quite easily. #subaru
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    11/02/09

    In reply to What Would A Subaru-Engined Motorcycle Look Like?
    Knees go where? #subaru
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    Image of KeyserSoze KeyserSoze
    11/02/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: on the cylinder head/knee warmer.... Neat feature. #subaru
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