@MustangMike: Competition will be...wait for it...SUVs. If the whole push of the next wave of vehicles is to get people out of SUVs, it will have to be done gradually (CUVs and large cars) while retaining many of the same pseudo-safety features people have come to expect from their tanks.
So what are the chances that the Eco-boost-powered Mustang will also be badged SHO? I wonder how that current gen body would look with a bi-plane rear spoiler?
I don't like them when they are just the bolt on kind that you saw on the last-gen STi, for example. But when they are actually integrated into the design, they actually look pretty cool.
I want to see the 2010 Mustang as a fastback hatchback (think '69 Mach 1) with the AMX Javelin's double integrated spoiler going on. I think that would look awesome.
It would be unrealistic to wish that it puts power to the rear wheels only, but make it available with a manual transmission (as standard, or at least a no cost option), and they might have a winner. The first gen SHO was a winner, even though it was FWD, so I'd tolerate FWD, or front biased AWD in this one, too.
That... uh... that's Teh Hawt. Seriously, that looks really, really good. Now. Ford. Don't fuck it up, this is your performance car. PROPER all-wheel-drive with a rear-drive bias would be great, but a good Haldex 50/50 system would work too, and you can leave the engine transversely-mounted. You can do this, we know you can. Volvo's worked with Haldex plenty. You know Volvo, you remember them, right? Right? Good, good. Now let's just head over and talk to Mr. Haldex, shall we? Come on, let's go...
@Deartháir: I think that I read somewhere that the EcoBoost 6s will use the Haldex system because Ford's in house AWD system can't handle the power of the EcoBoost.
@Deartháir: You DID know that Ford used a Haldex AWD system in the Five Hundred and Freestyle, didn't you? I'm guessing the Flex uses the same system, too. And since the 2010 Taurus is built on the same platform, it'll probably have the Haldex setup as well.
@Jeb_Hoge: There's been a fair bit of talk that Ford felt it unnecessary to use the (much more expensive) Haldex system on the Taurus/MKS/Flex when they could use a system like the one on the Fusion/MKZ.
Hopefully, Mulally found whoever it was that thought that was a good idea, and kicked them squarely in the twig-n-berries.
@Accordforall: Please see above. Ford is going the Audi route with AWD being the drivetrain of choice. Pretty much nobody thinks FWD is "the way to go"... it's just cheaper.
@Deartháir: Speaking solely from my newfound perspective--the owner of two nearly-identical cars, one with AWD, one with FWD:
AWD is louder, thirstier, slower, heavier, and more complex.
Yes, I like it more. But there are definitely tradeoffs for most drivers. I suspect that's why it's not more widespread--even moreso than the cost issue.
@Ash78: True, over-simplification; that's one of the ways I meant "cheaper". It's simpler, less complex, fewer things to break, more efficient. So, basically, cheaper, because all those things cost money, right?
There's also the fact that the entire drivetrain can be pre-assembled and installed into the car as a whole.
Basically, I'm talking from an overall performance-potential standpoint. Let's face it, as the driver of a FWD performance car, I'm always going to be at a disadvantage. As performance increases, so will the advantages of FWD decrease.
There's also the image aspect. Ford will never get any enthusiastic positive press from a FWD car. They can't make things just cheap anymore, they need to make cars that get a bit of buzz and make people want a Ford again. A half-assed mumbled load of praise like the Malibu got ain't gonna cut it.
Basically, from a "good car" standpoint, FWD does not = "good", FWD = "good enough".
Part of me really wishes Chrysler were in better shape. They brought out all those newly-minted RWD designs, with lots of potential, and then the company went to hell. Starting with the Magnum, my favorite non-jeep ChryCo product of the last 20 years.
@Plecostomus - A monument to failure: Looks like a big fat Mondeo - is this thing the same size as a Volvo S80? It's not radically different to anything else on the roads at the moment.
Umm... As a self proclaimed FIEND of all things Honda / Acura.
This looks nothing like a TL of any gen ESPECIALLY the Vigor and Legend eras. It also doesnt have anything to relate to in any gen of the TL. The car is far to angular. Heck the TL looks like its parents were sheet metal and razor blades. Not like the parents of the Taurus were the 500 and about a healthy bag of doritoes.
And it surely doesnt have anything in relation to the TSX.
Both cars from Honda / Acura are almost slabsided with their main distinguishing feature.. being their front angular clip.
With this... There is still faar too much BLOAT, i.e 500. Not to mention, its not even competing in the same class.
If anything.. the front clip could / is a precursor to the European vehicles coming to the US. Namely S-Max, C-Max, Euro Focus, Fiesta.. all with the gaping MONDEO MAW.
@Accordforall: Actually I can see the first-gen Acura in it quite easily. Look at those headlights! Very Acura.
Not anymore of course, because... well... they're really ugly now. But back when they were attractive.
And you realize that it's not really "bloat", when they move a car up one class, right? They made a conscious decision to move the Taurus brand up to the full-size line, not the mid-size Fusion anymore. So, in that regard, since the Fusion is the least bloated of the mid-size Camcordimabu rivals, I think the "bloat" accusation is a bit misplaced.
Very nice. Glad to see the SHO back. Now lets get the HSO back! As in, the Ford Tempo with the might 2.3L HSO I4. I jest. In all seriousness though, I am liking the direction Ford is going in. Some of their latest products are truly outstanding, and this Taurus is just one of 'em. Even the new Mustang, despite it not being entirely new, is the best muscle car available. If I had to nit-pick, I think Ford should drop the stupid S, SE, SEL, trim level scheme for their sedans, crossovers and wagons. Limited is ok. Nonetheless, I think it would be wise for Ford to return to their previous trim level scheme of: L, GL, GLS, LX. SEL is too close to "SELL" if you get my meaning. Or even go to Mercury's old trim level naming scheme of: GS, LS, LTS.
@Ford Tempo Fanatic: If this car succeeds in a big way, imagine all the EcoBoost motors that will find their way to junkyards, awaiting transplants into Tempos.
@nataku83: In the 1970s, the whole "just like a Mercedes" deal didn't work out too well at Ford. I don't think it will work out too well now in the 2000s either.
@tiberiuswise: Indeed. As it stands, a 3.0L SHO sits nicely in a two door Tempo. Makes for quite the fun ride with a five speed stick and a weight of under 2,500lbs.
@Lost in the age of Aerostar: 3HP, 10lb-ft of torque. Only available on two models from 1989 to 1991, the GLS and AWD. The Topaz received it in it's XR5 Coupe, LTS (Luxury Touring Sedan), GS-AWD, and LS-AWD. It was essentially designed for the heavier AWD and the sportier GLS/XR5/LTS, with a revised intake and tweaks to the EEC-IV computer, among other minor upgrades.
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Look down under to see how it's really done...

Please note the direction of the engine...

...denotes proper muscle.
Stop trying to fool the American public and start sourcing from the only true muscle car country left on this planet.
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I would like to think that it might look like the old AMX Javelins, with the roof spoiler and the rear spoiler:
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I don't like them when they are just the bolt on kind that you saw on the last-gen STi, for example. But when they are actually integrated into the design, they actually look pretty cool.
I want to see the 2010 Mustang as a fastback hatchback (think '69 Mach 1) with the AMX Javelin's double integrated spoiler going on. I think that would look awesome.
But then, I may just be a little weird.
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It's as hawt as that new Honda DN-01 motorcycle <3 <3 <3
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Now, go do it!
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Hopefully, Mulally found whoever it was that thought that was a good idea, and kicked them squarely in the twig-n-berries.
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Hate to break it to ya..
Ford already admitted RWD is in the toilet.. and FWD is the way to go, not just for efficiency but for design and power.
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AWD is louder, thirstier, slower, heavier, and more complex.
Yes, I like it more. But there are definitely tradeoffs for most drivers. I suspect that's why it's not more widespread--even moreso than the cost issue.
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There's also the fact that the entire drivetrain can be pre-assembled and installed into the car as a whole.
Basically, I'm talking from an overall performance-potential standpoint. Let's face it, as the driver of a FWD performance car, I'm always going to be at a disadvantage. As performance increases, so will the advantages of FWD decrease.
There's also the image aspect. Ford will never get any enthusiastic positive press from a FWD car. They can't make things just cheap anymore, they need to make cars that get a bit of buzz and make people want a Ford again. A half-assed mumbled load of praise like the Malibu got ain't gonna cut it.
Basically, from a "good car" standpoint, FWD does not = "good", FWD = "good enough".
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Part of me really wishes Chrysler were in better shape. They brought out all those newly-minted RWD designs, with lots of potential, and then the company went to hell. Starting with the Magnum, my favorite non-jeep ChryCo product of the last 20 years.
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As a self proclaimed FIEND of all things Honda / Acura.
This looks nothing like a TL of any gen ESPECIALLY the Vigor and Legend eras. It also doesnt have anything to relate to in any gen of the TL. The car is far to angular. Heck the TL looks like its parents were sheet metal and razor blades. Not like the parents of the Taurus were the 500 and about a healthy bag of doritoes.
And it surely doesnt have anything in relation to the TSX.
Both cars from Honda / Acura are almost slabsided with their main distinguishing feature.. being their front angular clip.
With this...
There is still faar too much BLOAT, i.e 500. Not to mention, its not even competing in the same class.
If anything.. the front clip could / is a precursor to the European vehicles coming to the US. Namely S-Max, C-Max, Euro Focus, Fiesta.. all with the gaping MONDEO MAW.
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Not anymore of course, because... well... they're really ugly now. But back when they were attractive.
And you realize that it's not really "bloat", when they move a car up one class, right? They made a conscious decision to move the Taurus brand up to the full-size line, not the mid-size Fusion anymore. So, in that regard, since the Fusion is the least bloated of the mid-size Camcordimabu rivals, I think the "bloat" accusation is a bit misplaced.
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Didn't the HSO version of the 2.3L 4-cyl only get 2 more hp then the non-HSO version??
I agree with the return to the old model naming strategy.
The Ford trucks still maintain some degree of XL and XLT!
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