I bet only 3% of the people chatting on this blog will actually get one (new or used)...if that. I don't know what the remaining 97% are happy about. It’s a case where the notion "Put Up or Shut Up" comes into play.
@CUL8R: I'm sure you know what a "halo vehicle" is. The CTS-V wagon may not technically be one, but along those lines, we enthusiasts are happy to see cars like this, that go beyond the ordinary and open the door for other vehicles that we may get to buy. It's also exciting to see GM taking chances like releasing a 550 hp wagon amidst all the "green" uproar. The V series generates buzz for Cadillac and GM, which leads to more sales, which is a win for taxpayers across the country.
@SerialThriller: For all the discussion of halo vehicles, the principle works very well in grocery stores. Start with a $18 bottle next to a $20 bottle. Now place a $50 bottle in line with the other two. Result: You sell a couple of $50 bottles and there is a huge increase in the sales of $20 bottles.
@CUL8R: True 'nuff, I definitely won't be buying one new. I'll just bide my time until one shows up on CL or Fleabay in five to ten years... Patience has its rewards.
Why are you trying to dump on our party? Go find another bridge to troll.
I saw a CTS-V sedan on the highway in southern Missouri about a month ago. The guy driving it was a true Jalop.
I guess he saw me pointing to the "V" badge on the trunk as I attempted to explain what it was to the other people in the car, just as I stopped pointing he proceeded to break both tires free in an insane ~65mph burnout...
This car is as Jalop as a new car can be. If a commenter hasn't purchased and posted a pic of one of these within two weeks of it going on sale, we may have to rewrite the Jalopnik Constitution.
@RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: I think we have plenty of Jalop readers that are able to afford this car that are also currently looking for a car; I am not claiming this demographic is the average.
(Warning: ASSumption) The average Jalop reader tends to be a 20-year-old who is pissed that so many new cars don't come with a manual transmission, yet drives an automatic 97 Corolla. ("It doesn't matter what we want to drive, but what we do drive that defines us"--Rachele Dawes speaking to JalopMan in the parking garage.) What I'm trying to get at is, verbal applause is nice, but the actual buyers determine a vehicle's fate, and if capable Jalops aren't buying the CTS-V Wagon, consider it dunnzo.
@eggwich is the man on the silver mountain: Well, let's take your average Jalop reader (which, in my opinion, is inaccurate) that drives a 97 corolla automatic. At some point, we twenty-somethings, who get paid diddly squat, have to take what we can get when we can get it.
Yeah, that's right. I drive a 98 Saturn Automatic. Why? Because I needed transportation so that I could actually obtain a job and earn money, and I needed it immediately. A 98 Saturn automatic was there immediately and it was cheap enough that I could afford to buy it outright on the wages of a part-time salesman.
Just because we drive what we do doesn't mean that we can't wish for or dream about what we would rather be driving. And like I said, as a 23-year-old, I would love to buy a CTS-V wagon. But I won't be able to afford that any time soon.
Your point about the buyers determining the fate of the car is correct to a great extent, but something tells me that GM isn't expecting this car to sell well, and aren't making it with the pipe dream that it will sell a thousand of them a month. This particular car is as much a PR move by GM as it is anything else, as they are trying to do their best under the weight of Congress to prove that they can respond to customer wishes and be a flexible, responsive car company to attract buyers. The truth is, they probably know damn well it won't sell well.
@pauljones: Of course they aren't expecting enormous sales, it's a top-end ultra performance wagon. But it will need to sell competitively at its price point in comparison to other high performance vehicles, and for a wagon to succeed at this, it's going to require physical buy-in from Jalop types.
I'm not saying people can't dream about cars they can't afford, we all do it, that's part of why we are here. But I am saying that if you don't vote, you can't complain about the election results.
"I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with."
"The next time they give you all that civic bullshit about voting, keep in mind that Hitler was elected in a full, free democratic election"
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There is if you drive a caliber. When you have a dead business and go to school it's kind of hard to get a cts-v sportswagon. Apparently hopes and dreams cannot be translated into actual currency ;_;
@pauljones: Its too bad you can only heart click once. I would click again if I could.
I am about to get my second car. My SVT I feel I have outgrown (any buyers?) and now I move onto something that costs a bit more that I love a bit more. Step by step, brick by brick. One day that CTS-v Estate could be in my driveway.
Don't hate the Saturn, its only the transportation to your dream jalop.
@pauljones: I would love to drive (in no particular order) a nailhead-powered bucket-T, a Fiat twin-cam Se7en, A Manx buggy with an OMC 2-stroke V4 mated to a VW Syncro transaxle, or a SHO V6-powered Postal Jeep.
What do I ACTUALLY drive? A '92 Town Car that my 78-year-old mother-in-law gave me.
What does that say about me? That I am a really nice guy who managed to take care of his mother-in-law cheerfully enough to endear himself to her, but never quite nailed down that "make lots of money" part of life.
Perhaps that whole "overactive gearhead imagination" is less important to who I am than I think it is, and what we actually drive IS the most accurate reflection of us.
My Saturn is basic transportation until I manage to pay off my student loans, and nothing more. If it reflects anything about me, it reflects that I am willing to do what I need to do to survive until better times.
My wife finally saw a true S4 Avant when I pointed it out on a trip last weekend. It was the first of my lust cars that she actually supported the purchase of. Now if I can convince her that this is just as nice.
"That," he said, "that ... is really bad for the eyes ..."
Ford looked. He too stood astonished.
It was a ship of classic, simple design, like a flattened salmon, twenty yards long, very clean, very sleek. There was just one remarkable thing about it.
"It's so ... black!" said Ford Prefect, "you can hardly make out its shape ... light just seems to fall into it!"
Zaphod said nothing. He had simply fallen in love.
The blackness of it was so extreme that it was almost impossible to tell how close you were standing to it.
"Your eyes just slide off it ..." said Ford in wonder. It was an emotional moment. He bit his lip.
@Chrisnyc1213: I'm not sure it's complete. A CTS convertible*, if done right, would draw some showroom traffic, and Caddy doesn't have a droptop at the moment since the XLR is sleeping with the fishes.
*No, I wouldn't buy one, but I'm sure quite a few people would.
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Why are you trying to dump on our party? Go find another bridge to troll.
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I guess he saw me pointing to the "V" badge on the trunk as I attempted to explain what it was to the other people in the car, just as I stopped pointing he proceeded to break both tires free in an insane ~65mph burnout...
I almost shit myself.
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I think you overestimate the wealth of most jalop readers?
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If I had the money, I would buy one in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I don't have the money.
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(Warning: ASSumption) The average Jalop reader tends to be a 20-year-old who is pissed that so many new cars don't come with a manual transmission, yet drives an automatic 97 Corolla. ("It doesn't matter what we want to drive, but what we do drive that defines us"--Rachele Dawes speaking to JalopMan in the parking garage.) What I'm trying to get at is, verbal applause is nice, but the actual buyers determine a vehicle's fate, and if capable Jalops aren't buying the CTS-V Wagon, consider it dunnzo.
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Yeah, that's right. I drive a 98 Saturn Automatic. Why? Because I needed transportation so that I could actually obtain a job and earn money, and I needed it immediately. A 98 Saturn automatic was there immediately and it was cheap enough that I could afford to buy it outright on the wages of a part-time salesman.
Just because we drive what we do doesn't mean that we can't wish for or dream about what we would rather be driving. And like I said, as a 23-year-old, I would love to buy a CTS-V wagon. But I won't be able to afford that any time soon.
Your point about the buyers determining the fate of the car is correct to a great extent, but something tells me that GM isn't expecting this car to sell well, and aren't making it with the pipe dream that it will sell a thousand of them a month. This particular car is as much a PR move by GM as it is anything else, as they are trying to do their best under the weight of Congress to prove that they can respond to customer wishes and be a flexible, responsive car company to attract buyers. The truth is, they probably know damn well it won't sell well.
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I'm not saying people can't dream about cars they can't afford, we all do it, that's part of why we are here. But I am saying that if you don't vote, you can't complain about the election results.
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"I don't vote. Two reasons. First of all it's meaningless; this country was bought and sold a long time ago. The shit they shovel around every 4 years *pfff* doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I believe if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around – they say, 'If you don't vote, you have no right to complain', but where's the logic in that? If you vote and you elect dishonest, incompetent people into office who screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem; you voted them in; you have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote, who in fact did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created that I had nothing to do with."
"The next time they give you all that civic bullshit about voting, keep in mind that Hitler was elected in a full, free democratic election"
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There is if you drive a caliber. When you have a dead business and go to school it's kind of hard to get a cts-v sportswagon. Apparently hopes and dreams cannot be translated into actual currency ;_;
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I am about to get my second car. My SVT I feel I have outgrown (any buyers?) and now I move onto something that costs a bit more that I love a bit more. Step by step, brick by brick. One day that CTS-v Estate could be in my driveway.
Don't hate the Saturn, its only the transportation to your dream jalop.
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"If wishes were fishes, every belly would be filled; if dreams were beams, every man could build."
...and if sighing was buying, all Jalops would have Cadillac CT-V Sportwagons.
Gotta work on my meter...
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What do I ACTUALLY drive? A '92 Town Car that my 78-year-old mother-in-law gave me.
What does that say about me? That I am a really nice guy who managed to take care of his mother-in-law cheerfully enough to endear himself to her, but never quite nailed down that "make lots of money" part of life.
Perhaps that whole "overactive gearhead imagination" is less important to who I am than I think it is, and what we actually drive IS the most accurate reflection of us.
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My Saturn is basic transportation until I manage to pay off my student loans, and nothing more. If it reflects anything about me, it reflects that I am willing to do what I need to do to survive until better times.
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<----slowly whispers to self.
My wife finally saw a true S4 Avant when I pointed it out on a trip last weekend. It was the first of my lust cars that she actually supported the purchase of. Now if I can convince her that this is just as nice.
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Ford looked. He too stood astonished.
It was a ship of classic, simple design, like a flattened salmon, twenty yards long, very clean, very sleek. There was just one remarkable thing about it.
"It's so ... black!" said Ford Prefect, "you can hardly make out its shape ... light just seems to fall into it!"
Zaphod said nothing. He had simply fallen in love.
The blackness of it was so extreme that it was almost impossible to tell how close you were standing to it.
"Your eyes just slide off it ..." said Ford in wonder. It was an emotional moment. He bit his lip.
- from The Resturant at the End of the Universe-
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And you even call a wagon a wagon! Such courage.
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A Camry sportwagon would be a different story.
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@Danimal - doesn't like to comment anymore: (: Like this?
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*No, I wouldn't buy one, but I'm sure quite a few people would.