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    Jalopnik's 14 Favorite Vintage AMC and Jeep Commercials

    It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit

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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/20/09

    In reply to Jalopnik's 14 Favorite Vintage AMC and Jeep Commercials
    I can't find it on the Net, but there was a 1968 commercial about a Rebel being driven the length of Baja California (a true 1967 exploit). It featured a stereotyped Mexican bandito saying "Joo theenk joo drive zee Baja, ha ha!". Those seemingly innocent non-PC times...
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    09/20/09

    @tonyola: Yeah, because now of course no one speaks with an accent.
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    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    09/20/09

    In reply to Jalopnik's 14 Favorite Vintage AMC and Jeep Commercials
    There's another Javelin ad from I think 1969 where a young Richard Dreyfus plays a hood. He did a great job.
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    Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable promoted this comment DrLemming was starred DrLemming was unstarred
    Image of Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
    09/20/09

    @DrLemming: "Take these hubcaps -not now, stupid!"
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    09/20/09

    @Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable: Take these hubcaps. Please.
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/20/09

    In reply to Jalopnik's 14 Favorite Vintage AMC and Jeep Commercials
    High camp from AMC - the first Pacer commercial.
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    Image of Rockford Brodie and the Masters of the Hooniverse Rockford Brodie and the Masters of the Hooniverse
    09/20/09

    @tonyola: Throw out your hands,
    Stick out your tush,
    Hands on your hips,
    Give 'em a push!
    Don't be surprised you're doin' the Renault Alliance, voila!
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/20/09

    @Rockford Brodie: I shave my legs, not his ass!: Yeah, that movie came to my mind too as I saw that ad. Too bad AMC couldn't get Dom Deluise to be the director. The Alliance certainly counts as the "French Mistake".
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    Edited by tonyola at 09/20/09 7:05 PM tonyola was starred tonyola was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/20/09

    In reply to Jalopnik's 14 Favorite Vintage AMC and Jeep Commercials
    You missed this classic from 1968 (the YouTube label is incorrect).
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    Edited by tonyola at 09/20/09 5:50 PM tonyola was starred tonyola was unstarred
    Image of Maymar Maymar
    09/07/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    I don't know if AMC is crazy smart, or just crazy, with their bigger small car pitch. Then again, their idea of an economy car involved a bigger engine than my old Intrepid.

    I'd probably lean towards the Chevette - it's crap, but charming crap. It's light, RWD, and has no power steering, no power brakes, no... power (at least the several I drove). I figure, drop in a Miata engine and upgrade the suspension, and you'd have a fun, practical little car.
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    Image of ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig. ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig.
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    I had a friend that had a Chevette. It wasn't a bad car (for GM, anyway), but it was tiny. It was RWD, of course, so it had a huge tranny tunnel which made front seat room really tight.

    I would have picked the Spirit only to have a little bit more room.

    That question is kind of like saying "What would you like to die from? Heart attack or plane crash?
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    FP: Your Volvo is awesome! Anyway promoted this comment ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig. was starred ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig. was unstarred
    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/06/09

    @☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig.: At least a heart attack might not kill me, and I might actually have myself to blame. Spirit it is.
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    Image of skloon skloon
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    Crucifixion or .... crucifixion
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    Such a question. Would you like me to use this rusty knife to lop off your left testicle ... or your right?
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    I wonder how much having the exhaust go under the driveshaft contributed to AMC's demise.

    /only partly kidding

    Were it an independent rear suspension, and not merely independent of your ass, then I can see it. Otherwise...just not a good idea.

    What the AMC commercial doesn't tell you is the Chevette could be had with a diesel. Woo-Hoo!

    /sarcasm
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/06/09

    @she said, yeah?: The diesel wasn't offered in the Chevette until late in the 1981 model year.
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    09/06/09

    @tonyola:

    Good point.

    I thought it was '80, but I have no idea why.
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    Image of Jim-Bob Jim-Bob
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    As someone who has owned a Spirit for over 20 years, I will say it is a far better car than a Chevette. It may also be the reason I am a 35 year old virgin...
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/06/09

    @Jim-Bob: If a Volvo didn't stop me from scoring at 18, your Spirit isn't the problem. Sorry, mate.
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    Image of Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    What were the actual sales numbers?
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    tonyola promoted this comment Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm was starred Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/06/09

    @Tiberiuswise: In 1979, roughly 369,000 for the Chevette and 52,500 for the Spirit. To be fair, the Chevette was available as a five-door and huge numbers were sold to rental, corporate, and government fleets.

    I take issue with Murilee's statement that AMC was perceived as "obviously doomed" in 1979. Yeah, the Matador was gone and the Pacer was sinking fast. However, 1978 and 1979 were pretty decent sales years for AMC after dismal '76-'77, when AMC really did seem about to go under. The new-for-'78 Concord was selling pretty well despite being a rehashed Hornet and Spirit got a lot of positive notices. Jeep sales were also rolling merrily along. We also mustn't forget that AMC looked like a terminal case back in 1957-1958 and 1966-1967. AMC had acquired a reputation of somehow managing to pop back to life just when things were looking their worst. This time, however, the euphoria didn't last. 1981 was a terrible year with collapsing Jeep sales and it was obvious that AMC couldn't squeeze any more life out of a 1970-vintage platform. The Renault takeover was doomed from the start with the horrendous Alliance.

    Oh, and given the choice in 1979 between the Chevette and Spirit? That's easy - the Spirit. However, I was driving a recently-purchased 1975 Duster 360 at that time, which was far more entertaining (if thirsty) than either of these two.
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    Edited by tonyola at 09/06/09 3:10 PM tonyola was starred tonyola was unstarred
    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    09/06/09

    @tonyola: Here are some production numbers:
    1976 -- 283,000
    1977 -- 213,000
    1978 -- 138,000
    1979 -- 169,439

    The key year was 1977, when passenger car sales fell way below breakeven point after AMC had spent a fortune on the Matador coupe and Pacer -- both of which ultimately flopped.

    It's true that up through 1979 Jeep sales kept the company afloat, but not enough to pay for major passenger car redesigns. That's why AMC embraced Renault.

    The Concord was too little, too late. It was an overly cautious "me too" redesign, and it sold accordingly.
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    Formerlythegreatestdriver promoted this comment DrLemming was starred DrLemming was unstarred
    Image of tonyola tonyola
    09/06/09

    @DrLemming: Actually, the breakdown for Hornet/Concord is a little more telling:

    1976 Hornet - 71,576
    1977 Hornet - 77,843
    1978 Concord - 117,513
    1979 Concord - 96,498

    Also important was that a large part of Hornet sales in these years were low-profit fleet sales. Most Concord sales were well-optioned cars to private buyers at much higher per-unit profits (the Concord was marketed as a "luxury" model). The Concord didn't address the basic problem of an aging platform, but for a few years it was a modest success. The Spirit also sold at much higher numbers than the '77-'78 Gremlin, and also as better-equipped and more profitable cars. As I said, the truly terminal problem of lack of new product didn't really rear its head until 1980 and beyond, when the 4WD Eagle sold far less than expected.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    09/06/09

    @tonyola: One small point. You refer to the Concord/Spirit as a "1970-vintage platform". Actually, the platform was originally developed as the 1964 American. In 1970 they redesigned the body and ditched the trunnion front suspension, but kept the chassis pretty much intact. This is a huge boon to AMC parts swappers as most mechanical parts from 1964 to 1988 interchange quite readily across the platform. And front end stuff like disc brakes swap all the way back to 1950 Nash Ramblers.
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    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    09/06/09

    @tonyola: I guess we're going to have to disagree on this. AMC needed to sell in the realm of 250,000 passenger cars a year to break even. Once you drop much below that the red ink gushes. That's what happened to passenger-car operations after 1976.

    Once the Matador and Pacer flopped, the Hornet/Gremlin platform had to really pick up the volume. It didn't. Almost 120,000 units for the Concord was not nearly enough. Comparing sales to the 1976-77 Hornet is pretty meaningless, because those numbers were terrible (understandably; the Hornet hadn't received much of an update since 1973-74).

    The tragedy of the Concord was that although the body was old, it still had quite contemporary fuselage styling that lent itself to a more European, sport-sedan approach than the boxy Granada or Volare.

    In the past AMC's success had always been trying something different. This time they slavishly copied. The results were predictable.
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    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit

    One selling point.
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    Image of OneCrackedEgg OneCrackedEgg
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    The AMC, and not cos I have more than a little malaise of my own for the General (I grew up in Massena). AWD FTW!
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    Mike the Dog promoted this comment OneCrackedEgg was starred OneCrackedEgg was unstarred
    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    09/06/09

    @OneCrackedEgg: That's a Spirit. They're RWD. The Eagle was all wheel drive.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    I wish they still offered cars without radio's in them, because Mine is hardly ever on. When I was traveling for my job, I never turned it on, nor did I pack any CD's to listen to. You see, once I hear a CD, I never listen to it again. (Music never interested me)

    Yes, I am one of those people who doesn't own an iPod, Portable Cd player, or even a generic MP3 player.

    On another topic, there are collectors on the look out for radio delete cars, so I must not be the only one.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    09/06/09

    @UDMan: I don't care about radio delete cars so much, but I'd love to have that block-off plate to cover the factory radio opening in my Eagle (it's the exact same dash panel).
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    09/06/09

    In reply to It's 1979, And You Must Choose Between The Chevette And The AMC Spirit
    I would take almost anything instead of a Chevette.
    But this ad should be studied in marketing classes. The pitch is, hey, it's a tiny bit bigger and it has A/C. If they had pitched "faster" that would have captured it. Add in unnecessary but interesting image of cars standing on end and voila! A 30 second traditional masterpiece of advertising.
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    Image of GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls
    09/06/09

    @Novaload Is Just Plain Novaload Again: Not to mention, that 30 second spot had a pure 4 seconds of wasted silence (:06 - :09), and the first 10 seconds were of woefully little substance or information.

    So AMC essentially "wasted" 30% of their ad buy.

    Of course, given today's ADHD-riddled ads, it's almost a refreshing change. Got my attention! Makes want to head on over to my local AM-....

    ...ah, crap.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    09/06/09

    @Goingincirclez: What were we talking about? I forget.
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