i think GM is where Ford of North America was a few years back...creating inferior design products for their take on the the tastes of the north american driver which they deemed different from the european driver.. where in fact what the north american driver wanted is what the europeans were getting as evidence in the sales numbers of the european products vs the american products. Ford woke up and is giving us close to the same thing as what they offer elsewhere...GM needs to do the same and stop treating the north american driver as if we are some mutant half whit cousin to the europeans...which might be true but that is for a different conversation.
@blondnga: To be fair, the European approach didn't work for Ford originally (Capri/Merkurs were poorly marketed, Merkurs were too expensive, Contour/Mystique didn't have a market niche with the larger, albeit less-well-handling, Taurusable only a couple grand more, etc.)
@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I got cut off by some one driving one of those the other day. She was pretty much begging to get rear-ended by the Bonneville I was driving at the time.
Why is it so difficult for GM to make a good looking and interesting sub-compact?
This thing is neither and won't get any better with a Chevy grill.
I'm a Chevy guy and based on on design alone I want a Ford Fiesta much more than I want this. I'd take a Toyota/Scion IQ city car before this too.
Come on GM, all we want is an interesting, cool sub-compact...Make One!
@Karsten Von Urea for All Sales Event: The problem with that is the North American contingent of "we" are about half the Jalops - it's not enough of a market for GM to care.
Interesting and cool are what sells in this segment, a certain quirkiness is required to overcome the small stature. People who want appliances don't buy sub-compacts anyway because they are afraid it will be too small for their 2.3 kids. So there shouldn't be any fear of intriguing styling that will exclude the appliances seekers.
Like I said, if GM is going to enter the segment then they might as well compete.
Edited by Karsten Von Urea for All Sales Event at 08/19/09 11:37 AM
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One thing about GM, they sure held on to their infamous rebadging credentials in the restructuring. You would think there would be a lesson to be learned.
@Flathead Smith: That is a stupid comment actually... The rebadging that got them in trouble was between a Chevy and a Saturn sold down the street from each other. The Japanese as well as everyone else does it on a world-wide level.
@CulleyCTS: During restructuring GM has repeatedly vocalized their negative opinion regarding badgeneering, particularly directed toward the G8 GXP. They're talking out both sides of their mouths by re-badging the Spark here and using the Vue platform for a new Buick which we heard about the other day.
FS isn't specifically against re-badging here, just GM's double standards.
Also, your argument is much more appropriate without the first line.
Hmmm Ya know... I hate to jump on the DIE-FUCKIN-DIE Gm Bandwagon..
But if thats the way the shit falls...
WHat I dont get is.. 800mil to do merch and advertising for a sequal TO A VENERABLE ROLLING ADVERTISEMENT.. that they practically paid for anyway!
800mi...
Exactly where does / how far does 800mil go.. in a company that had to turn down the hear 4degrees, shut off the escalators and remove batteries from its wall clocks.
Yeah just how far does that GO?
I heard it takes Rick wagoneer 20min at a gas station to fill up his car to go through 81Bil [jalopnik.com] and thats before he gets his morning mocha javva loda makka lakka
Shit. I heard Lutz can burn through 100mil just takin a crap on the gold plated toilets. That T/P must cost the deficit of small countries!
Then again, having LUTZ, FRITZ and PUTZ (Red Ink Rick) in the same room.. Im sure they blow through enough stogies and hot air to run right through that kinda cash.
800mil.. Nice to know it just evaporates into thin air.
Just like the profits from Sat radio when they gave all of their projected profits to STERN over 5yrs, only to find out he isnt worth shit an they had to merge with XM, and maybe DIRECT TV to avoid going under.
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@Plecostomus - A monument to failure: I think the real question is, given that the Autobots could basically mimic anything they want, why would they choose to be minicars when the Decepticons are becoming tanks, army helicopters, etc.
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We'll not discuss the amount of weight or aerodynamic drag of said item preventing the car from moving, of course....
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Too bad I can't see the family resemblance.
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This thing is neither and won't get any better with a Chevy grill.
I'm a Chevy guy and based on on design alone I want a Ford Fiesta much more than I want this. I'd take a Toyota/Scion IQ city car before this too.
Come on GM, all we want is an interesting, cool sub-compact...Make One!
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Interesting and cool are what sells in this segment, a certain quirkiness is required to overcome the small stature. People who want appliances don't buy sub-compacts anyway because they are afraid it will be too small for their 2.3 kids. So there shouldn't be any fear of intriguing styling that will exclude the appliances seekers.
Like I said, if GM is going to enter the segment then they might as well compete.
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FS isn't specifically against re-badging here, just GM's double standards.
Also, your argument is much more appropriate without the first line.
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Back seat instructional placard.
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@Ash78: But when you fold down the back seats...
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Ya know... I hate to jump on the DIE-FUCKIN-DIE Gm Bandwagon..
But if thats the way the shit falls...
WHat I dont get is.. 800mil to do merch and advertising for a sequal TO A VENERABLE ROLLING ADVERTISEMENT.. that they practically paid for anyway!
800mi...
Exactly where does / how far does 800mil go.. in a company that had to turn down the hear 4degrees, shut off the escalators and remove batteries from its wall clocks.
Yeah just how far does that GO?
I heard it takes Rick wagoneer 20min at a gas station to fill up his car to go through 81Bil [jalopnik.com] and thats before he gets his morning mocha javva loda makka lakka
Shit.
I heard Lutz can burn through 100mil just takin a crap on the gold plated toilets. That T/P must cost the deficit of small countries!
Then again, having LUTZ, FRITZ and PUTZ (Red Ink Rick) in the same room.. Im sure they blow through enough stogies and hot air to run right through that kinda cash.
800mil..
Nice to know it just evaporates into thin air.
Just like the profits from Sat radio when they gave all of their projected profits to STERN over 5yrs, only to find out he isnt worth shit an they had to merge with XM, and maybe DIRECT TV to avoid going under.
NICE!
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Frankly, I think these two little cars fighting as Autobots is like bringing your pre-teen twin brothers to a dirty knife fight.
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I should really download and learn how to use Photoshop so that I could make a trafficsign warning us for banhammers.
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Beat was the only OK choice of the three minicars.
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Matt... what's with the phallic references today? You're going to get Charles all excited.
Or are you just trying to distract our affections from Murilee's fishnets and Wes' ass?
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