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    REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG

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    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/19/09

    In reply to REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG
    Mercedes to build Peugeot 205 GTi-fighting SCK AMG.

    Are they going to run out of rivals before they run out of 3-letter combinations? Will they ever make a decent manual transmission? Stay tuned, for the exciting next episode of the S-class vs the Wurld!
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    11/18/09

    In reply to REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG

    If it results in something like this little happy car, then I'm all up for it.
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    Image of stuntdriver stuntdriver
    11/18/09

    In reply to REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG

    the 2010 gullwing and the liitle ones..
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    Pessimippopotamus promoted this comment stuntdriver was starred stuntdriver was unstarred
    Image of englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat
    11/18/09

    In reply to REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG
    Right, I'm going to be lazy and repost what I wrote on the SLS story because I was way too late to that party and I just want some attention (sorry boss jalops, I think I need more caffeine):

    Hmm, I might be a little low on blood sugar but I can't help feeling incredibly unimpressed by the SLS (and now it's little brother).

    By rights any car with those performance credentials and looks should have me wanting to sell my own balls to own it. Yet here I am completely nonplussed by the thing, like a wave of "meh" just washed over me whilst looking at it.

    I'm not going to blame anyone in particular but I do think that this feeling I'm getting has a lot to do with just how cynical supercars (especially Mercs) have become of late. After seeing an SLR up close (ooh check me out) and having the pleasure of driving a previous generation AMG SL55 on a disused airstrip (again WOO go me!) I can't help but feel underwhelmed. I'm sure I'm not their target audience for this thing but then surely by the fact that there probably is a clearly defined target audience for this car I feel quite sad. A supercar shouldn't have to have a target audience, it should simply leap deep into your subconscious as soon as you see it and make you want it from the word go. The fact that this car didn't do just that has me worried, mainly because it isn't the first supercar to fail in that respect (Audi R8? Bentley Conti GT? McMerc? Dare I say Carrera GT?).
    That's not to say that all supercars suffer the same problem, just that more and more of them are no longer the extreme automobiles they used to be. By definition a supercar should surely be an excessive overstatement in impracticality/power/styling. An exercise in how a car can be uncompromisingly single minded about being "super" in one area or another.
    Granted there are cars that I still class as supercars that don't need to scream at me (Aston DBS) but at the very least they hint that they're more than just a handbag accessory (I'm looking at you Bentley!).
    As a life long gearhead I'm a bit depressed by some of it but I know there's still hope. With things like the Veyron, the (Nissan) GTR, the Corvette ZR1 and pretty much all of the Lambos I know there are people out there willing to go balls out with what's possible instead of sitting back and thinking "that'll do".

    I might be the only one thinking it but I just can't help thinking "Can't you just try a bit harder next time?"

    /Soapbox

    *Supercar fatigue, copyright J.D 2009...
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    FTGDWolverineEdition'09 promoted this comment englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat was starred englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat was unstarred
    Image of Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est Mr.choppers - Delenda Carthago Est
    11/19/09

    @englishwhitetrash: is the Jalop proletariat: I like the "supercar fatigue", hoping that becomes a new byword (old-speak for "meme").

    Supercar fatigue is usually only a risk during economic bubbles, but 500hp week can also be a factor.
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    Image of TwinTurbo Gokart TwinTurbo Gokart
    11/18/09

    In reply to REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG
    So basically we're going to have an overly expensive, 'slow' (relative) car that can't even light up its rear tires and just like all other Mercedes vehicles, isn't available with a transmission worth mentioning.

    One can get a hellofa lot more for a hellofa lot less.
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    OldeEnglishD promoted this comment TwinTurbo Gokart was starred TwinTurbo Gokart was unstarred
    Image of OldeEnglishD OldeEnglishD
    11/18/09

    @TwinTurbo Gokart: Hit the bullseye!
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    11/18/09

    In reply to REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG
    SLS Crossfire!
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/18/09

    @weatherman: Those were my exact thoughts.
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    Image of Steve_in_NC Steve_in_NC
    11/18/09

    In reply to REPORT: Mercedes To Build 911-Fighting Baby SLS AMG
    good luck with that.
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    Image of bradyb bradyb
    11/05/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive

    Yeah but, it's just a german Corvette with gull wing doors and 500 more pounds.
    500 horse V8, torque tube, rear mounted tranny, ...all there. And the Vette comes with magnetic shocks and the Enzo's carbon brakes.

    I would rather have a ZR1, and an extra $100,000 for an airplane or something. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of bradyb bradyb
    11/05/09


    @bradyb: See the Zr1 has a nice aluminum/magnesium space frame too, carbon fiber body panels as well. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of quayzar quayzar
    11/04/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive
    Yeah, I rather like that. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of skierpage skierpage
    11/04/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive
    Looks more clown shoe than hairbrush to me. "Our best car has a really long nose" still isn't sexy talk, though last time they forced the issue by drawing a penis on the bonnet of the SLR.

    Good packaging this is not... "Does it have significant flaws, most glaringly from the gearbox? Totally.

    Direct simple writing this is not. Is it Wes rephrasing blunt criticism to make it sound less glaringly negative? Totally. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    11/04/09

    @skierpage: How is this not simple and direct? It's an impressive, fast car with a few problems that, in the end, don't detract all the much from the total package. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of skierpage skierpage
    11/05/09

    @Wes Siler: Direct simple writing would be:
    "It is badly packaged. ... It has significant flaws, especially its gearbox."

    Thanks for the good review, honest feedback, and not bad writing. You just sounded as if you were trying to soften your criticisms with some wordplay. If you gonna write high-falutin', some people gonna notice. No worries. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of 87CapriceEstate 87CapriceEstate
    11/04/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive
    "Full Disclosure: Mercedes wanted us to drive the SLS AMG so badly they flew us out to San Francisco and put us up in a fancy hotel on the ocean. Also, I got in really late so I missed dinner and helped myself to a free Snickers bar and a bottle of OJ from the minibar. I know that's not a healthy diet, but these are the sacrifices we'll make in order to bring you car reviews."

    Is anybody else noticing a theme here or is it just me? #mercedesslsamg
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    Wes Siler promoted this comment 87CapriceEstate was starred 87CapriceEstate was unstarred
    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    11/04/09

    @87CapriceEstate: Yeah, I really need to eat better. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of 87CapriceEstate 87CapriceEstate
    11/04/09

    @Wes Siler: Even though I luv Snickas I cannot eat 'em all the tyme. Found that out the hard way. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of AynRandian AynRandian
    11/04/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive
    Whoa, let's throw on the Webster brakes here. It's impossible to describe a fellow journalist as a hack, and then use the word "guesstimation" in the very next sentence. I'm going to see if we can get Bob Lutz to come teach you some manners. #mercedesslsamg

    Edit: or guestimation. I, too, have no idea how to spell made-up words.
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    Wes Siler promoted this comment Edited by AynRandian at 11/04/09 4:12 PM AynRandian was starred AynRandian was unstarred
    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    11/04/09

    @AynRandian: We use the term "hack" endearingly. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of Drew and not U has Twin Turbots Drew and not U has Twin Turbots
    11/04/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive
    I'm convinced those are Gran Turismo 5 or Forza 3 screen shots. That is all. #mercedesslsamg
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    High Speed Indeed promoted this comment Drew and not U has Twin Turbots was starred Drew and not U has Twin Turbots was unstarred
    Image of High Speed Indeed High Speed Indeed
    11/04/09

    @Drew and not U: That was my first thought as well. But then, I've seen Forza shots that look better than real. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    11/04/09

    @Drew and not U: Wait, so I shouldn't review a car after driving it in Forza? Damn, there's goes my plan for not having to fly somewhere once a week anymore. #mercedesslsamg
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    Wes Siler was starred Wes Siler was unstarred
    Image of Drew and not U has Twin Turbots Drew and not U has Twin Turbots
    11/05/09

    @Wes Siler: I think you're on to something. You could use that method as a Green Marketing ploy.

    "Jalopnik is going green by virtually road testing new cars in Forza! No more greenhouse gasses or excessive fuel consumption."

    People will eat that shit up.

    In fact maybe F1 and NASCAR could implement something similar. Just gather up all the drivers in one big LAN party and let them duke it out on the big screen. #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    11/04/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive
    Great review as always.

    It's ugly, though. Why in God's name would Mercedes make a Crossfire its halo car? #mercedesslsamg
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    Image of Maxichamp Maxichamp
    11/04/09

    In reply to 2011 Mercedes SLS AMG: First Drive
    BTW, this will be the 2010 F1 Safety Car. #mercedesslsamg
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