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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    7.0L DI? Sign me up for that powerhouse. #gmcsierra
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    I can't stop crying long enough to read the article...sniffle...sniffle.

    Thhherrre gggonnna toss the big-block...sniffle, why?

    (Dries eye with shirt cuff.) #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    For a vehicle like this to be allowed to be registered for on-road use with anything but a compression-ignition engine violates all sorts of laws of reason. I won't go so far as to say they ought to be outlawed, but come on, a gas engine in a truck? Really? Once you've gone oil-burning, you never go back. #gmcsierra
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    Image of kingfling kingfling
    11/09/09

    @mechimike: 'cause you could save $1,000s and still get decent power to tow and haul. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/09/09

    @kingfling:

    More like save $7K, and in the case of a big block, tow the same amount. Too bad only the 6.0 is left, which at least still saves all the money. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: And get 10 mpg. And only last 200K between rebuilds. My '92 Dodge Cummins gets 21 mpg (not towing), has 250,000 miles, and runs better than any gas truck I've ever owned. They routinely go for 300 and 400K between rebuilds, and that's if you're a bit flighty on the maintenance. Oh, and 5.9 litres? Tows my car hauler just fine. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    A GM big block will run WAY past 200K miles without a rebuild (like 300K). They get worse milage, but if you don't tow a ton of miles, you'll be way ahead with upfront savings.

    If you tow consistantly and enough miles, diesels the only choice. For low milage towers, a BBC works great. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: In my experience, the diesels hold their value much better, too. A 200K mile diesel truck that's 10 years old will still bring about 1/2 the cost of a new one on the used market, whereas the gas trucks depreciate much, much faster.

    Depending on where you live, the diesel may also be cheaper to run, since they aren't subject to the same inspections as gas vehicles, and some of them can be run on veggie oil if you're so inclined. Maintenance is also somewhat less frequent. #gmcsierra
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    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: The diesel is also much more pleasant to tow with, IMO. I have a 5 speed model, and the Cummins will plod forward in just about any gear once rolling. I've towed with gas vehicles, and shifting is a much more frequent experience there. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    Have you towed with a BBC with the Allison? Not a 6.0 or a Ford V10, etc?

    Again, the resale isn't true as used they tend to cost the same delta more as new (5-7K). So maybe % wise you've "lost more" but in reality it's the same $ lost.

    Any savings on inspections would certainly not surpass the greater mainanence costs. On the last service I had done, here's the differences I saw:

    $60 vs $120 for transmission fluid
    $35 vs $95 for fuel filter

    The list goes on and on like that.

    So, if you don't tow a lot of miles there is no need to waste your money on a diesel if there's a BBC option. When I was truck shopping I did the full business case, and it would take something like 100K miles to pay off a diesel, and I'll never tow that much. You diesel guys refuse to accept it, but I guess I'd be adamant too if I wasted a lot more money (that was said tongue in cheek fyi). #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: I've had my Dodge about 2 years, and already put over 21,000 miles on it. Most of that there was a trailer behind it or a ton and a half of something in the bed. Of course, I only paid $5000 (it was 15 years old with 229,000 miles on it when I got it)for the truck, and yes, an oil change is a $50 affair rather than $20. But I also hope to have the truck for a long, long time. And I like being able to go 500 miles between fillups!

    Diesels don't need any ignition system maintenance, either- no plugs, wires, etc.

    Oh well, arguing on the intrawebs = pissing into a tornado. #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    Well, for 5K you can't go wrong.

    When GM shopping, you won't touch a D-max for that much, and I didn't want an older vehicle.

    Also, you've put a lot of miles on it, so you seem to be missing the point that gasser's are only better for the occaisonal tower. If you tow a lot, then the diesel starts to make lots of sense. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: I guess I can buy that, problem is, spending 30k on a vehicle to be used only infrequently doesn't make a whole lot of sense, period, regardless of the powerplant. Nor does driving a vehicle that gets 15 mpg as a daily driver, unless your commutes are very, very short. *shrug* I see too many "cowboys" around here driving 20 miles or more each way to work in gas hogs. I'm somewhat guilty, though since my g/f and I both commute to the same place in her 20 mpg jimmy, I rationalize by saying we're using the same fuel as if we each drove a 40 mpg separately! #gmcsierra
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/10/09

    @mechimike:

    You don't have to rationalize fuel use on Jalop!

    I see the thought on new gas ones, but it still takes 100K miles to make up the upfront costs. So if you don't plan to drive it into the ground for whatever reason the business case still makes sense for a gasser (although you can't get the big block any more). In stock form, a D-max doesn't drive any faster either, and the fuel economy isn't much better due to DPF, etc.

    Overall, I'd prefer a diesel, but for the 6K I spent on my loaded 01 with a big block/allison, there wasn't any way to justify spending more for a D-max with higher miles. #gmcsierra
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    Image of FordTuffMcgruff FordTuffMcgruff
    11/10/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: I use my F-250 with a 460 for pulling a gooseneck short distances. Rebuilding it to late 1960's pre smog specs was cheaper than going diesel and resulted in a truck that pulls just as well as our 7.3 powerstroke. For companies and people that do in town or any other short distance hauling a big gas motor makes perfect sense... that extra 6 grand up front buys alot of gas over the next few years. #gmcsierra
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/11/09

    @RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment: Yeah, I've heard the Cummins are better for MPG- the best gasser Dodges that would tow what I needed to tow got like 5 mpg worse.

    Back when gas was 4 bucks a gallon, I bet there were some screaming deals to be had on a good used tow rig, especially with a gas engine. Nicely bought. #gmcsierra
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    11/11/09

    @FordTuffMcgruff: I guess we can agree on this one. I use my Dodge diesel for a lot of long distance stuff- I've towed from Nevada to SC, for example- and its great for that. You can actually go the entire day without shutting it off, just idling at the fuel station. But for short, low miles stuff, I could see the gas being more economical.

    But man, that sound when the turbo spools up. Its awesome. ;-) #gmcsierra
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    Image of marklar marklar
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    7.0 liters = 454? How's about a throwback SS model? #gmcsierra
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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    11/09/09

    @marklar: You'd need to punch it out to 7.4. #gmcsierra
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    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    Does it come with 427 emblems with crossed flags? #gmcsierra
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    Image of dal20402 dal20402
    11/09/09

    In reply to 2011 GMC Sierra Spotted Camo-Free, Maybe Getting 7.0-liter Gas Engine
    Why bother with that out-of-date 8.1 liter big block when you could have a lighter, more powerful, more efficient DI 7.0 small block? #gmcsierra
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    11/09/09

    @dal20402: You're boring. #gmcsierra
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    Image of Paul-Michael Van Hook Paul-Michael Van Hook
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    I own a 1989 Merkur Scorpio, and have a good amount of experience with the XR4Ti, and they are both phenomenal cars. Well-built, roomy, luxurious, and fast. Plus they turn lots of heads today.

    In the Merkur marketplace, this price is on the high end of the spectrum, but the car here looks to be in excellent shape and all original. Plus, this particular color is quite rare. I can't think of what Ford called the color, but there were not many XR4Tis that received this color paint, a color that I find to be one of the nicest for the XR.

    So bottom line on this one (IMHO): NICE PRICE!
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    If it's in as nice shape as it seems to be, that's a High Sierra.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    Do I dig these things? Yes. Do I dig them enough to pay $6k for (an admittedly nice) one? No.
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    Image of Uncle Bo Uncle Bo
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    I voted Nice Price because $6000 really isn't a lot of money for a decent car.

    Those who complain the car is $1000 overpriced, or who can find one for $1500 cheaper, can't afford it anyway. You either like the car or you don't. If you don't, it's not worth $6 let alone $6000.

    I'm not a XR4Ti fanatic so I don't know where this one stacks up in the marketplace. But I do know that if you want a rare, enthusiast car, you need to buy the best one you can possibly find, and pay whatever it takes to get it. Anything less is a waster of money. In that respect, this car at this price seems like a good deal.
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    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    I think Mr. Graverobber has stolen the overly complex engineerd Fair Market Value (eFMV patent pending) program. This is like the 3rd Nice Price in a row.

    There were a few 1988ish XR4Ti's on AutoTrader with an average price of $2500. Add $5000 for this car being rare, and another $1500 for general awesomeness (come on, the name alone is awesome not to mention the Europeanness of the car in a time when Europeanness in the US is limited to brands based in places with Europeanness). Thus, the fair market value is $9000.

    Buy it!
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    Image of LTDScott LTDScott
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    Drop the price a grand and it'd be a nice price.
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    Image of superbadd75, 'tis the season to go on a rampage. superbadd75, 'tis the season to go on a rampage.
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    The price is just a little too high, but I love the car! The XR4Ti was so different from anything else even remotely American at the time, and as a kid I thought it was just cool. Its wierdness, to me, rivaled the Saab 900, and it was also a turbo. But to a patriotic youth that was taught by his grandfather to buy American, the fact that Ford built it made it that much sweeter. As much as we car guys bitch about Ford and GM not bringing their "cool Euro models" over to the U.S., Ford's done it a few times to very little success. If they were truly suited to what more Americans wanted, they'd do well and stay. Either way, the XR4Ti is my favorite unsuccess story of a Euro Ford in the U.S.
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    Image of mytdawg mytdawg
    09/02/09

    @Hoon that Mistsubishi Precis: I liked most of the failed niche cars a lot. Including the Typhoon and Syclone etc. Okay the Reatta was kind of funky. Car guys don't pay the bills for assembly line manufacturing and I've never been in the right place at the right time with the right money when these things came out. Until my Red Line.

    I drove imports through much of the 80's but when everybody else started doing it then it wasn't fun anymore. I haven't had one since 1995. Nothing is more objectionable to me than being mainstream.

    The mantra used to be "Buy American" back when they had import burning parties and such. So I didn't. Then the conventional wisdom became "Buy Japanese" so I didn't do that any more.

    Buy Canadian! I got nothin'
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    Image of GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    Pros: It's an extremely clean example of a scarce and quirky car with respectable panache and a dedicated cult following. Everyone saying "but I could get the same car for $3000 instead" hasn't ever tried. Parts are hard to find and cost a mint when they turn up. But this example seems to assure that you won't have to start with that fool's errand of infinite fruitless boneyard searches and ebay snipe-
    fests.

    Plus it's kind of like a 2-door 1st-gen Taurus to the uninitiated.

    Cons: A true XR4Ti *requires* the double wing. AND the rotary wheels. The color doesn't do the car any favors. The Turbo is probably due for a rebuild.

    And it's kind of like a 2-door 1st-gen Taurus to the uninitiated.

    Verdict: Just barely Nice Price, and only on the reasonable assumption you can haggle the seller down to $5K or less. The rear wing and wheels are probably some of the easier parts to find... but not having to find any of the odd trim bits and glass and interior panels and the like is arguably worth a $2K premium to a subset of fans.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    09/02/09

    In reply to 1988 Merkur XR4Ti for a Euro-Trashy $5,775!
    Pipe-tastic, only because of the price.

    Shave $3K off it, to start, and that's a good place for the seller to begin negotiation.

    I really liked the Scorpio when it appeared. I take issue with the 'Merkur' name being what put US buyers off. Scion doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.... Too close to Mercury, and honestly, that's what Ford should have brought them here as, a Euro Merc.
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