I own a 1989 Merkur Scorpio, and have a good amount of experience with the XR4Ti, and they are both phenomenal cars. Well-built, roomy, luxurious, and fast. Plus they turn lots of heads today.
In the Merkur marketplace, this price is on the high end of the spectrum, but the car here looks to be in excellent shape and all original. Plus, this particular color is quite rare. I can't think of what Ford called the color, but there were not many XR4Tis that received this color paint, a color that I find to be one of the nicest for the XR.
I voted Nice Price because $6000 really isn't a lot of money for a decent car.
Those who complain the car is $1000 overpriced, or who can find one for $1500 cheaper, can't afford it anyway. You either like the car or you don't. If you don't, it's not worth $6 let alone $6000.
I'm not a XR4Ti fanatic so I don't know where this one stacks up in the marketplace. But I do know that if you want a rare, enthusiast car, you need to buy the best one you can possibly find, and pay whatever it takes to get it. Anything less is a waster of money. In that respect, this car at this price seems like a good deal.
I think Mr. Graverobber has stolen the overly complex engineerd Fair Market Value (eFMV patent pending) program. This is like the 3rd Nice Price in a row.
There were a few 1988ish XR4Ti's on AutoTrader with an average price of $2500. Add $5000 for this car being rare, and another $1500 for general awesomeness (come on, the name alone is awesome not to mention the Europeanness of the car in a time when Europeanness in the US is limited to brands based in places with Europeanness). Thus, the fair market value is $9000.
The price is just a little too high, but I love the car! The XR4Ti was so different from anything else even remotely American at the time, and as a kid I thought it was just cool. Its wierdness, to me, rivaled the Saab 900, and it was also a turbo. But to a patriotic youth that was taught by his grandfather to buy American, the fact that Ford built it made it that much sweeter. As much as we car guys bitch about Ford and GM not bringing their "cool Euro models" over to the U.S., Ford's done it a few times to very little success. If they were truly suited to what more Americans wanted, they'd do well and stay. Either way, the XR4Ti is my favorite unsuccess story of a Euro Ford in the U.S.
@Hoon that Mistsubishi Precis: I liked most of the failed niche cars a lot. Including the Typhoon and Syclone etc. Okay the Reatta was kind of funky. Car guys don't pay the bills for assembly line manufacturing and I've never been in the right place at the right time with the right money when these things came out. Until my Red Line.
I drove imports through much of the 80's but when everybody else started doing it then it wasn't fun anymore. I haven't had one since 1995. Nothing is more objectionable to me than being mainstream.
The mantra used to be "Buy American" back when they had import burning parties and such. So I didn't. Then the conventional wisdom became "Buy Japanese" so I didn't do that any more.
Pros: It's an extremely clean example of a scarce and quirky car with respectable panache and a dedicated cult following. Everyone saying "but I could get the same car for $3000 instead" hasn't ever tried. Parts are hard to find and cost a mint when they turn up. But this example seems to assure that you won't have to start with that fool's errand of infinite fruitless boneyard searches and ebay snipe-
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Plus it's kind of like a 2-door 1st-gen Taurus to the uninitiated.
Cons: A true XR4Ti *requires* the double wing. AND the rotary wheels. The color doesn't do the car any favors. The Turbo is probably due for a rebuild.
And it's kind of like a 2-door 1st-gen Taurus to the uninitiated.
Verdict: Just barely Nice Price, and only on the reasonable assumption you can haggle the seller down to $5K or less. The rear wing and wheels are probably some of the easier parts to find... but not having to find any of the odd trim bits and glass and interior panels and the like is arguably worth a $2K premium to a subset of fans.
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Shave $3K off it, to start, and that's a good place for the seller to begin negotiation.
I really liked the Scorpio when it appeared. I take issue with the 'Merkur' name being what put US buyers off. Scion doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.... Too close to Mercury, and honestly, that's what Ford should have brought them here as, a Euro Merc.
Crack Pipe. This is an pretty good example of a situation where being uncommon doesn't justify a high price. Even though this car is pretty clean and has low miles, the price is too much. They weren't built any better than domestic Fords, the engine wasn't the smoothest thing around, and the looks...well, I was never smitten. Interestingly, in 2009 Car and Driver recanted its selection of the XR4T1 as one of the 10 Best. If I wanted a 1988 Ford, I'd go for an ultra-cherry Thunderbird Turbo Coupe (same engine as the Merkur) or Lincoln Mark VII LSC - both of which can be had for well under this Merkur's price and to me are rather nicer cars.
I luv me some Xrattys and this one's a nice example...
...but you can find good'uns for $3000-$3500. Add on to that the dumbed-down spoiler (I want my double decker!) and generic rims (I want my rotary dial rims!) and the mehs! are piling up...
Well, an actual XR4Ti that looks like it's in great shape. But the price seems to be a bit high on this one though, so with the slightest of margins, I vote Crack. If it was priced below $3,000, then maybe.
If you want to know more about these little Turbocharged Fords, read here.
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In the Merkur marketplace, this price is on the high end of the spectrum, but the car here looks to be in excellent shape and all original. Plus, this particular color is quite rare. I can't think of what Ford called the color, but there were not many XR4Tis that received this color paint, a color that I find to be one of the nicest for the XR.
So bottom line on this one (IMHO): NICE PRICE!
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Those who complain the car is $1000 overpriced, or who can find one for $1500 cheaper, can't afford it anyway. You either like the car or you don't. If you don't, it's not worth $6 let alone $6000.
I'm not a XR4Ti fanatic so I don't know where this one stacks up in the marketplace. But I do know that if you want a rare, enthusiast car, you need to buy the best one you can possibly find, and pay whatever it takes to get it. Anything less is a waster of money. In that respect, this car at this price seems like a good deal.
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There were a few 1988ish XR4Ti's on AutoTrader with an average price of $2500. Add $5000 for this car being rare, and another $1500 for general awesomeness (come on, the name alone is awesome not to mention the Europeanness of the car in a time when Europeanness in the US is limited to brands based in places with Europeanness). Thus, the fair market value is $9000.
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I drove imports through much of the 80's but when everybody else started doing it then it wasn't fun anymore. I haven't had one since 1995. Nothing is more objectionable to me than being mainstream.
The mantra used to be "Buy American" back when they had import burning parties and such. So I didn't. Then the conventional wisdom became "Buy Japanese" so I didn't do that any more.
Buy Canadian! I got nothin'
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fests.
Plus it's kind of like a 2-door 1st-gen Taurus to the uninitiated.
Cons: A true XR4Ti *requires* the double wing. AND the rotary wheels. The color doesn't do the car any favors. The Turbo is probably due for a rebuild.
And it's kind of like a 2-door 1st-gen Taurus to the uninitiated.
Verdict: Just barely Nice Price, and only on the reasonable assumption you can haggle the seller down to $5K or less. The rear wing and wheels are probably some of the easier parts to find... but not having to find any of the odd trim bits and glass and interior panels and the like is arguably worth a $2K premium to a subset of fans.
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Shave $3K off it, to start, and that's a good place for the seller to begin negotiation.
I really liked the Scorpio when it appeared. I take issue with the 'Merkur' name being what put US buyers off. Scion doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.... Too close to Mercury, and honestly, that's what Ford should have brought them here as, a Euro Merc.
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EDIT: Conclusion, as my sons aim is a little high and far, so is the price.
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I luv me some Xrattys and this one's a nice example...
...but you can find good'uns for $3000-$3500. Add on to that the dumbed-down spoiler (I want my double decker!) and generic rims (I want my rotary dial rims!) and the mehs! are piling up...
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Well, an actual XR4Ti that looks like it's in great shape. But the price seems to be a bit high on this one though, so with the slightest of margins, I vote Crack. If it was priced below $3,000, then maybe.
If you want to know more about these little Turbocharged Fords, read here.