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MushyHeirloom
04/10/09

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I wondered for a moment whether today was the anniversary of something. Apparently it isn't (I'm assuming the Springwater Trail High School incident doesn't count, since nobody was killed).

I don't understand this... but I don't think anyone does, really. The thing that bothers me most is, why so many shootings now? And why are they at universities and other institutions of learning? Nobody's gone in and shot up a bank, and the largest event around an auto dealership has been employee infighting. The usual scapegoats are absent.

(I'm not counting this. That was a domestic thing.)
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MushyHeirloom
04/10/09

@F*ckingPlushroom: And since there's no edit button, I feel for the family and friends of those killed. At least they got him alive this time so he couldn't finish taking the coward's way out.
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Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.
04/10/09

@F*ckingPlushroom: Also, this time of year is horrendous! Hitler's birthday, Waco, OK City, Ruby Ridge, blah blah, there are always nutcases coming out of the woodwork.

April stinks.
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MushyHeirloom
04/10/09

@Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.: And VT, that's in mid-April too.

But nothing on the 10th. Until now.
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Pessimippopotamus
04/10/09

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Crap. I have nothing to say. Our school's lost a student, a young professional athlete, and another young man to drunk driver. And one of my dad's neighbors got shot to death, with 3 others injured. It seems like there's so much death around me. It's doesn't feel just like carpocalypse, but just plain apocalypse right now.
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.357
04/10/09

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This is sad. The gunman may have killed more people if it wasn't Good Friday. I'm assuming that there weren't a lot of students that were in class today.
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Graverobber
04/10/09

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It should be noted that one aspect of an economic downturn is that many people have lost, or can no longer afford, their health insurance. This results in a lot of folks with chemically-treatable mental instabilities lacking the ability to pay for their prescriptions, forcing them off their meds and leading to a downward spiral of emotional instability and their actions as potential danger to themselves and others.

This is not meant as an excuse for such horrible and aberrant behavior, but as a rationale of what may lie at the root of its cause.

Condolences to those affected, and their families.
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Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.
04/10/09

@Graverobber: While I agree with this central point, meds like that are distributed for free here.

I can only spend all this time posting today because I'm home with a torn ligament in my spine, and the ER was FULL of people with no insurance getting scrips, which WalMart and some other places fill for free. I heard the nurse explain it to at least 10 people during my 2 hours waiting.
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Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.
04/10/09

@Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.: To clarify, these were homeless-type people who were loudly telling her what meds they needed and for what, and it was almost all happy pills.
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Graverobber
04/10/09

@Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.: Homeless and destitute, or Richie Riches. Those groups can get their healthcare. It's the great swath of the middle class that has been disenfranchised for so long, and is now facing a future of attempting to pay for individual coverage, which will typically cost double the group rates provided to an employer. And yes, our nation's ERs have become the de-facto PCP for many Americans. My wife is a physician, and even the insured are staying away due to the inability to shell out the co-pays.

Sorry to hear about the torn ligament, I'll bet that'd hurt like a bitch if it weren't for the happy pills.
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.357
04/10/09

@Graverobber: Wow, that makes me feel lucky to have Socialized medicine. I have a couple friends in the States. I think they have to pay around $650.00 a month for insurance.
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scroggzilla raids again
04/10/09

@Graverobber: With the ever spiraling cost of health insurance for employers, the low deductible/co-pay HMO/PPO/POS model is being pushed aside for high deductible indemnity plans with HSA's piggybacked onto them. These plans are fine if your raking it in. They suck if you're scraping by, and have a chronic health issue.
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Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.
04/10/09

@Graverobber: Thanks for the well wishes! And MY middle-class suburbanite insurance had lapsed too, so it would have been cheaper to buy the Oxy on the street :)

That damnable Walgreens and their empire building!
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Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.
04/10/09

@Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.: Oh, and more than $2k of ER visit bills including all the Xrays. That will teach me to opt out of insurance. :(
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Graverobber
04/10/09

@Landau_Calrissian loves our President Camacho.:

We didn't have insurance, Neddy thought it was a form of gambling.
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
04/10/09

@.357:Half Man-Half Amazing: I have excellent health insurance, no referrals, low co-pays, etc. and I pay a little over $200 a month.
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.357
04/10/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: I think that was for the whole family, so it isn't that bad.
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LuciferV8
04/10/09

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I express my greatest condolences to those who have lost loved ones in this tragedy.

That said, I give it an 85% chance the shooter was on SSRI's.
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engineerd
04/10/09

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Oh wow, that's right down the street from me (relatively speaking). That must be what all the sirens were about when I was in Potbelly.
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aSoundofSleep-less nights
04/10/09

@engineerd has Ben in his head:

Mmmm potbelly.
Best. Macaroni. Salad. Evar.
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engineerd
04/10/09

@aSoundofSleep is drinking and Jaloping: And the oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are the best. I always go there on Fridays for lunch and get my wife a cookie, too.
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cchannel BLT
04/10/09

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Calm down people. Even though it is a recession mass murderer does not qualify as an alternate career.
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JC Whitless
04/10/09

@cchannel would love him some Zhao MP4-25: It does reduce unemployment, however.
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A strolling player
04/10/09

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Why the fuck do gunmen always find it necessary to open fire at universities? It's fucking bullshit. Do it at old folks' homes or "assisted living centres" or whatever, at least they don't have their whole fucking lives ahead of them.
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JC Whitless
04/10/09

@A strolling player, now in British Racing Green!: [www.upi.com]

Been done...

They need to try shooting up cemeteries, the body count would be astronomical!
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engineerd
04/10/09

@A strolling player, now in British Racing Green!: I shouldn't laugh because killing people isn't funny, but that made me laugh.

I'm going to hell.
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jodark
04/10/09

@A strolling player, now in British Racing Green!: Because there are people without guns there. Shootings at gunstores are fairly rare.
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LuciferV8
04/10/09

@jodark: But I thought banning guns would *make us all safe*!!!
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A strolling player
04/10/09

@engineerd has Ben in his head: Hah, that wasn't even meant to be a joke, but I'm glad you guys can find some levity in the situation--it always helps.

If they need the satisfaction of shooting a living person, at least "grandma died" is sort of an expected thing, you know? Whereas two of the kindest, happiest people I knew at my old university, both who had great lives ahead of them, can no longer fulfill their hopes and their dreams. It's always the kind hearts that go.

For the record, I don't advise shooting people in any situation. It's the worst thing a family's ever going to have to deal with.

Note: this had better not turn into a fucking gun control discussion. I've had to deal with enough of that shit.
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
04/10/09

@jodark: You are 100% right! These gunmen know these are "gun-free" zones, and so they do not have to worry about someone else countering their actions. Law-abiding citizens abide by the law, obviously, and criminals and nut-jobs don't. What will it take for people to realize this bit of common sense?
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JC Whitless
04/10/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: I think the real issue is the exact opposite. People who piss off people who are likely to go on shooting sprees hang out in gun free zones where they know it is safe to go about their "pissing off people with a shooting spree personality" behavior unimpeded by pissed off people going on a shooting spree.
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Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
04/10/09

@jodark: Thank you. I hate having to be the one who points that out.
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janus12
04/10/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: The anti gun folks like to think that allowing students to carry concealed on campuses would be bad because everybody in the entire campus would just open up at the exact same time and bullets would be flying everywhere. I'm sorry but with the amount of university shootings happening recently, I think people need to reconsider this. There really is no argument against it, it's not going to make the campuses any more unsafe...hell people are already walking on with guns anyway. I'm all for giving people a fighting chance.
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A strolling player
04/10/09

@janus12: Thank you. Crazies are still gonna shoot up schools, but if everyone's shooting back there are going to be more bullets in more people.

And thanks, guys, for holding off on the gun debate. Hearing this shit up at Virginia Tech two years ago was sooo much fun the first time. Let me tell you.
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JC Whitless
04/10/09

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Whats the over/under that someone says "Twitter saved my life because...."
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