@Elhigh: Probably, they're pretty much putting lapping/rubbing compound in the engines and letting it eat up the bearings. If you read the youtube page the guy says the 3fe held out for over 12 minutes. I imagine a 22r or 2f would hold out about the same.
@Elhigh: This is why we should have been putting all of our research efforts into the Stirling engine. External combustion laughs at your puny silicates!
(of course those engines would die too...)
@acarr260: Jeep 4.0 - I'm not shocked. Seven main bearings, the damn thing is a crazy-stout engine. A gas pig to be sure, but if you can afford to fee it, it'll live forever.
@Elhigh: I've had two and if the Cherokees weren't so uncomfortable on longer trips, I would go back to a late-90's Cherokee Sport with some suspension mods. For their market value, it's hard to beat the I6 and solid axles. The cooling systems on mine were complete shite though - replaced practically yearly (fans and their associated everything else because you have to buy it as one massive component).
I think I babbled this, or someone may have mentioned. But the parts that are stripped from the clunkers, must be sold in six months by the salvage yard or they then must be destroyed.
as reported by our local yards and on local News.
Oh, if you'd like, this is the recipe for the poison the clunker must digest [www.reuters.com]
just add four parts BARS Head Gasket Sealer if you are in a pinch.
.....make the pain of this stop, please.
@lilwillie hides autos in the attic: No, the VIN has to be retired and the chassis destroyed within six months. That won't affect the ability of a junkyard to strip and warehouse the parts they want prior to that point, or from warehousing them indefinitely to sell as demand occurs.
The only REAL problem I have with this program is that it is not limited to American car brands. Here we are, spending our tax dollars to basically support foreign companies, since the best sellers, aside from the Focus, are Hondas and Toyotas. I know that most of them are built in the US at this point, but if anyone in congress had any sense at all, they would have thought "Hey, maybe, in order to help the ailing industry we just bailed out for billions of dollars, we should give them a hand with some sales! Then, MAYBE, they would actually EARN MONEY to PAY BACK the loans!!" But, as we know, our elected officials are probably the least qualified to run the country in the first place, and really have no idea what they are doing aside from their own little world in DC where they can't see the big picture.
@Troggie42 misses the Jalop 9: You're neglecting the Caliber, and the Cobalt's not far off.
To be fair, Civics and Corollas are still built in the States, by Americans, and much of that revenue stays here.
@FP - Funny how it seems quiet around here, eh?: True, but some of that money still goes back to Japan. I mean, I am far from one of the people who thinks that Japanese cars are bad by being Japanese, but it just seems wrong on some level, I dunno. Maybe I'm looking too much into it.
I think it's nice that, for the equivalent cost of around 3 days of US military operations in Iraq, our tax dollars actually accomplished something tangible here, on US soil, in this economy. I just which I could trade in my Prius and get taxpayer dollars to apply toward a Z06, but for some stupid reason they won't let me do that. Pfft.
Leave the clunkers ALONE!
How fucking dare anyone out there turn in their poor battered old clunkers. They've given their carburetors for you! Sure they give shitty mileage! THEY CAN'T HELP IT!
What you don't realize is those old cars still work. You're lucky they even START FOR YOU BASTARDS!!
LEAVE THE CLUNKERS ALONE!!
*sniffle* Please.
Right. Now. Anybody wants to get rid of their clunkers just send them to me.
@Elhigh: I get what you're saying but anyone with a "clunker" worth saving is not going to trade it in because they love the car; I say let those explorers burn!
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My beat to hell butt mechanically fine Mazda B4000 is trembling. It overheated the other day and I was "this" close to turning it in on a Smart car. Then I realized that I like my ugly truck more than I would a new Smart car.
Wish I could turn it in on a used Touareg V10 TDI...
@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: The awesome bit is the person in the passenger seat is asleep.
Man, look at all that twine. And yet, I somehow suspect that it won't be enough to restrain the load over anything more upsetting than a handful of dropped change.
Note too that the twine is artfully placed to disallow opening the driver's door. Preventing anyone getting in and driving away cannot be a bad thing in this case.
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@diskreet: I agree. Anything to get these huge, gas-guzzling SUVs away from my car. Driving around the DC area is bad enough without land barges tailgating me.
@diskreet: You can get the redneck out of the pickup.... but can you get the pickup out of the redneck?
/has nightmare images of civics with truck nutz, M/T tires and roo bars
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Welcome to Obamination’s United Socialist States of America. Where we will give your hard earned money to others so that they can drive around in brand new fully insured cars.
So lets get this straight…..a person who can afford to buy a car intended for the middle to high-middle class family, say a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, MSRP $41k, uses the car for a few years and then decides he has had enough and that maybe he doesn’t want to go through the hassle of selling it or maybe even donating it to the needy, instead he chooses to junk it via the Cash for Clunkers C.A.R.S. program, which takes money from the working American public (via taxes) and gives it to this guy so he can once again drive a brand new car, which incidentally he has enough money to afford to make payments for and have full coverage. The poor, the truly needy, cannot benefit from the program since they cannot afford payments on a new car (especially not one as high as the $45k limit the government allows) nor the expensive full coverage insurance charged that financing or leasing a new car in the most populous parts of the country entails.
The end results:
• Distribute the wealth of the American public to those who do not really need it.
• Destroy a perfectly good luxury car that could have been given to the truly needy.
• Make more waste and pollution.
• Give money to the still very wealthy car manufacturers, most of which are not even American...does not matter if the cars are made here the majority of the money goes to the country of origin of the corporation.
• If the new car is a Hybrid, as of now there is no infrastructure to deal with the stock pile of highly polluting batteries that these cars will need to replace in 8 years or less…..fact!
There is a benefit though…..if the people who buy these new economical cars manage to keep them running for oh say 20-50 years, then there might actually be small ding in the amount of pollution made….but that is probably moot since these cars already did so much damage with their batteries that we will probably need some new hair brained govt. program to deal with that.
Welcome to Obamination’s United Socialist States of America. Where we will give your hard earned money to others so that they can drive around in brand new fully insured cars.
So lets get this straight…..a person who can afford to buy a car intended for the middle to high-middle class family, say a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, MSRP $41k, uses the car for a few years and then decides he has had enough and that maybe he doesn’t want to go through the hassle of selling it or maybe even donating it to the needy, instead he chooses to junk it via the Cash for Clunkers C.A.R.S. program, which takes money from the working American public (via taxes) and gives it to this guy so he can once again drive a brand new car, which incidentally he has enough money to afford to make payments for and have full coverage. The poor, the truly needy, cannot benefit from the program since they cannot afford payments on a new car (especially not one as high as the $45k limit the government allows) nor the expensive full coverage insurance charged that financing or leasing a new car in the most populous parts of the country entails.
The end results:
• Distribute the wealth of the American public to those who do not really need it.
• Destroy a perfectly good luxury car that could have been given to the truly needy.
• Make more waste and pollution.
• Give money to the still very wealthy car manufacturers, most of which are not even American...does not matter if the cars are made here the majority of the money goes to the country of origin of the corporation.
• If the new car is a Hybrid, as of now there is no infrastructure to deal with the stock pile of highly polluting batteries that these cars will need to replace in 8 years or less…..fact!
There is a benefit though…..if the people who buy these new economical cars manage to keep them running for oh say 20-50 years, then there might actually be small ding in the amount of pollution made….but that is probably moot since these cars already did so much damage with their batteries that we will probably need some new hair brained govt. program to deal with that.
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Welcome to Obamination’s United Socialist States of America. Where we will give your hard earned money to others so that they can drive around in brand new fully insured cars.
So lets get this straight…..a person who can afford to buy a car intended for the middle to high-middle class family, say a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, MSRP $41k, uses the car for a few years and then decides he has had enough and that maybe he doesn’t want to go through the hassle of selling it or maybe even donating it to the needy, instead he chooses to junk it via the Cash for Clunkers C.A.R.S. program, which takes money from the working American public (via taxes) and gives it to this guy so he can once again drive a brand new car, which incidentally he has enough money to afford to make payments for and have full coverage. The poor, the truly needy, cannot benefit from the program since they cannot afford payments on a new car (especially not one as high as the $45k limit the government allows) nor the expensive full coverage insurance charged that financing or leasing a new car in the most populous parts of the country entails.
The end results:
• Distribute the wealth of the American public to those who do not really need it.
• Destroy a perfectly good luxury car that could have been given to the truly needy.
• Make more waste and pollution.
• Give money to the still very wealthy car manufacturers, most of which are not even American...does not matter if the cars are made here the majority of the money goes to the country of origin of the corporation.
• If the new car is a Hybrid, as of now there is no infrastructure to deal with the stock pile of highly polluting batteries that these cars will need to replace in 8 years or less…..fact!
There is a benefit though…..if the people who buy these new economical cars manage to keep them running for oh say 20-50 years, then there might actually be small ding in the amount of pollution made….but that is probably moot since these cars already did so much damage with their batteries that we will probably need some new hair brained govt. program to deal with that.
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(of course those engines would die too...)
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as reported by our local yards and on local News.
Oh, if you'd like, this is the recipe for the poison the clunker must digest
[www.reuters.com]
just add four parts BARS Head Gasket Sealer if you are in a pinch.
.....make the pain of this stop, please.
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Then, as usual, our Madison news channels are reporting things wrong.
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To be fair, Civics and Corollas are still built in the States, by Americans, and much of that revenue stays here.
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How fucking dare anyone out there turn in their poor battered old clunkers. They've given their carburetors for you! Sure they give shitty mileage! THEY CAN'T HELP IT!
What you don't realize is those old cars still work. You're lucky they even START FOR YOU BASTARDS!!
LEAVE THE CLUNKERS ALONE!!
*sniffle* Please.
Right. Now. Anybody wants to get rid of their clunkers just send them to me.
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They're just shit.
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Wish I could turn it in on a used Touareg V10 TDI...
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Man, look at all that twine. And yet, I somehow suspect that it won't be enough to restrain the load over anything more upsetting than a handful of dropped change.
Note too that the twine is artfully placed to disallow opening the driver's door. Preventing anyone getting in and driving away cannot be a bad thing in this case.
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Check out the Washington insider. You learn all kinds of stuff reading jalop.
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Not the government.
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@Goes Like Stink: How about a Fit?
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Sure...go ahead and provide a design, why dontcha....
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/has nightmare images of civics with truck nutz, M/T tires and roo bars
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So lets get this straight…..a person who can afford to buy a car intended for the middle to high-middle class family, say a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, MSRP $41k, uses the car for a few years and then decides he has had enough and that maybe he doesn’t want to go through the hassle of selling it or maybe even donating it to the needy, instead he chooses to junk it via the Cash for Clunkers C.A.R.S. program, which takes money from the working American public (via taxes) and gives it to this guy so he can once again drive a brand new car, which incidentally he has enough money to afford to make payments for and have full coverage. The poor, the truly needy, cannot benefit from the program since they cannot afford payments on a new car (especially not one as high as the $45k limit the government allows) nor the expensive full coverage insurance charged that financing or leasing a new car in the most populous parts of the country entails.
The end results:
• Distribute the wealth of the American public to those who do not really need it.
• Destroy a perfectly good luxury car that could have been given to the truly needy.
• Make more waste and pollution.
• Give money to the still very wealthy car manufacturers, most of which are not even American...does not matter if the cars are made here the majority of the money goes to the country of origin of the corporation.
• If the new car is a Hybrid, as of now there is no infrastructure to deal with the stock pile of highly polluting batteries that these cars will need to replace in 8 years or less…..fact!
There is a benefit though…..if the people who buy these new economical cars manage to keep them running for oh say 20-50 years, then there might actually be small ding in the amount of pollution made….but that is probably moot since these cars already did so much damage with their batteries that we will probably need some new hair brained govt. program to deal with that.
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[OMBUDSMAN'S NOTE: No really, it was that good?]
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So lets get this straight…..a person who can afford to buy a car intended for the middle to high-middle class family, say a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, MSRP $41k, uses the car for a few years and then decides he has had enough and that maybe he doesn’t want to go through the hassle of selling it or maybe even donating it to the needy, instead he chooses to junk it via the Cash for Clunkers C.A.R.S. program, which takes money from the working American public (via taxes) and gives it to this guy so he can once again drive a brand new car, which incidentally he has enough money to afford to make payments for and have full coverage. The poor, the truly needy, cannot benefit from the program since they cannot afford payments on a new car (especially not one as high as the $45k limit the government allows) nor the expensive full coverage insurance charged that financing or leasing a new car in the most populous parts of the country entails.
The end results:
• Distribute the wealth of the American public to those who do not really need it.
• Destroy a perfectly good luxury car that could have been given to the truly needy.
• Make more waste and pollution.
• Give money to the still very wealthy car manufacturers, most of which are not even American...does not matter if the cars are made here the majority of the money goes to the country of origin of the corporation.
• If the new car is a Hybrid, as of now there is no infrastructure to deal with the stock pile of highly polluting batteries that these cars will need to replace in 8 years or less…..fact!
There is a benefit though…..if the people who buy these new economical cars manage to keep them running for oh say 20-50 years, then there might actually be small ding in the amount of pollution made….but that is probably moot since these cars already did so much damage with their batteries that we will probably need some new hair brained govt. program to deal with that.
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[OMBUDSMAN'S NOTE: You thought it was that good, hunh?]
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Let's throw more money at a worthless program.
We lose a dollar on every unit.
How do you make it up?
Volume!
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So lets get this straight…..a person who can afford to buy a car intended for the middle to high-middle class family, say a Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited, MSRP $41k, uses the car for a few years and then decides he has had enough and that maybe he doesn’t want to go through the hassle of selling it or maybe even donating it to the needy, instead he chooses to junk it via the Cash for Clunkers C.A.R.S. program, which takes money from the working American public (via taxes) and gives it to this guy so he can once again drive a brand new car, which incidentally he has enough money to afford to make payments for and have full coverage. The poor, the truly needy, cannot benefit from the program since they cannot afford payments on a new car (especially not one as high as the $45k limit the government allows) nor the expensive full coverage insurance charged that financing or leasing a new car in the most populous parts of the country entails.
The end results:
• Distribute the wealth of the American public to those who do not really need it.
• Destroy a perfectly good luxury car that could have been given to the truly needy.
• Make more waste and pollution.
• Give money to the still very wealthy car manufacturers, most of which are not even American...does not matter if the cars are made here the majority of the money goes to the country of origin of the corporation.
• If the new car is a Hybrid, as of now there is no infrastructure to deal with the stock pile of highly polluting batteries that these cars will need to replace in 8 years or less…..fact!
There is a benefit though…..if the people who buy these new economical cars manage to keep them running for oh say 20-50 years, then there might actually be small ding in the amount of pollution made….but that is probably moot since these cars already did so much damage with their batteries that we will probably need some new hair brained govt. program to deal with that.
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Source?