In all this debate about air capability, we forget any real enemy we fight with these will have ships that will smoke them from WAAAAAY over the horizon. Oh, well.
Not really. The only navies in the world that are a credible threat to us, and might (and that is an extremely big might) be effective enough to pose a threat are India and Russia. China has a large fleet that it is working very hard on modernizing, but their training is not as thorough.
As for allied Navies, particularly our Navy, as capable as Aegis is said to be, I wouldn't be confident enough to bet that it will stop every threat.
As an aside, I found this several years ago in doing research on the proposed F-15N:
It's a kit mesh of an F-15 and F/A-18 in an attempt to conceptualize a possible configuration for the F-15N (for which there is literally no data or images for, only a record that it was conceived), and I thought it was both creative and well-done.
@maximum-sienna haz a NA V-6: yep, A-10s are currently undergoing fleet-wide upgrades and will be with us for a while yet. Maybe not 50 years, but a couple decades.
@pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: For sure, and time will tell. The current A-10C upgrade is significant and completely modernizes the jet. In 20 years the warthog may be retired as planned, or get another set of upgrades for another 20 years of service.
Also, LockMart does state that the Raptor will exceed M2.0, and their chief test pilot has said that it has a top speed greater than M2.4. Incidentally, I've been boomed by Raptors on test flights in the supersonic corridor that crosses through TN and GA; it's very startling (think of a loud thunderclap on a cloudless day), but when you spot the jets at altitude, it's totally cool.
I wonder, though, how the aircraft can exceed Mach 2 without variable inlets. It seems I need to go back and brush up on aerodynamic breakthroughs in the past decade.
I had no idea that it was even possible.
Although, I wonder if one possibility is the fact that the Raptor has "snake" inlets, both to hide the engine fan blades from radar and to accomodate the sidewinders.
I wonder if perhaps that, in and of itself, is enough to slow the airflow?
By the way, Northrop-Grumman just released a patent (with line drawings) for what is expected to be NGB-X. Four engines, smaller than a B-2, looks like a diamond with wings.
@pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: The inlets use the shockwave from the supersonic air to slow the air down within the inlet, infact so does the F-15. This shaping allows for subsonic air to enter the engine, but it only works within a certain mach range. The movable inlets on the F-15 allow for a wider range of mach numbers. The raptor just benefits because of better analytical tools.
Anything I have heard from knowledgable people tells me the top speed of the F-22 is pretty close the F-15, but not higher even though the raptor has more powerful engines. The difference is that the performance of the F-22 is much more useable. In that it can hit its top speed while still carrying 6 missiles and lots of fuel, the F-15 on the other hand would be slower if it had to carry the same amount of fuel and weapons. Also it flys much faster and higher without thrust augmenters (afterburners in common parlance).
I've been to a number of them. You get to stroll next to them, you're there when they start their engines, and they taxi through to spectators on their way to the all grass runway.
Last time I attended, there were at least 4 Boeing B-17's, 12 C-47's, an actual flying Lanchaster Bomber, a PBY Catalina, P-51's galore, Corsairs, Hellcats, P-40's, and a lot more. Unfortunately, it's the same weekend as the 24 Hours of LeMons New England....
@IamZardoz: One F-22 could shoot down at least four of these in air combat, so I'd take the latter. I watched a show on History/Military/Discovery about the F-22 and its capabilities are amazing. The F-15 pilots that went up against it in mock dog fights/air combat scenarios never even got a chance to see it before they were "killed." It was something like 2 F-22s to 6-8 F-15s, too. ::cue "God Bless America"::
@Rock517...now mostly lurking: One of my friend's dads was an instructor or something like that for a squadron of F-22s down in Florida. They were practicing with some Israelis in F-15s and the F-22s got dominated in the first sortie that they had. The next two, however, were a slightly different story.
@Daniel Horney: There's an important point in here...the F-22 is not God Mode for fighters. It's possible to get a kill on one, if you stage a scenario the right way. But if I was an enemy pilot and heard that there was a flight of F-22s in the airspace, I'd be landing right quick.
From the ePRS (US Patent No. c11077983) Planeopnik Edition (beta):
Boeing introduces the Silent Eagle, a modified F-15 Eagle with more stealth and increased efficiency for the downmarket, green customer.
New for the Silent Eagle are aerodynamic enhancements such as canted vertical stabilizers and new Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs) which can house an array of weapons including AIM-9, AIM-120, JDAM, and SBT. For a retro look, the conventional weapons load can be carried in the current-generation CFT.
Reliability and survivability enhancements include a new Digital Flight Control System, Digital Electronic Warfare System (DEWS), and Advanced Electronic Scanning Array (AESA) radar.
Pricing has not been announced, but is expected to be in the $100 million range for new aircraft. See your local Boeing representative to place your order today!
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Not really. The only navies in the world that are a credible threat to us, and might (and that is an extremely big might) be effective enough to pose a threat are India and Russia. China has a large fleet that it is working very hard on modernizing, but their training is not as thorough.
As for allied Navies, particularly our Navy, as capable as Aegis is said to be, I wouldn't be confident enough to bet that it will stop every threat.
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It's a kit mesh of an F-15 and F/A-18 in an attempt to conceptualize a possible configuration for the F-15N (for which there is literally no data or images for, only a record that it was conceived), and I thought it was both creative and well-done.
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We must be back in the days of double-digit inflation!
Carter 2.0
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McDonnell Douglas FTW.
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I dunno, it is already projected that the B-52 will have been in service for nearly a century by the time they are at last taken out of service.
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Also, LockMart does state that the Raptor will exceed M2.0, and their chief test pilot has said that it has a top speed greater than M2.4. Incidentally, I've been boomed by Raptors on test flights in the supersonic corridor that crosses through TN and GA; it's very startling (think of a loud thunderclap on a cloudless day), but when you spot the jets at altitude, it's totally cool.
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I wonder, though, how the aircraft can exceed Mach 2 without variable inlets. It seems I need to go back and brush up on aerodynamic breakthroughs in the past decade.
I had no idea that it was even possible.
Although, I wonder if one possibility is the fact that the Raptor has "snake" inlets, both to hide the engine fan blades from radar and to accomodate the sidewinders.
I wonder if perhaps that, in and of itself, is enough to slow the airflow?
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By the way, Northrop-Grumman just released a patent (with line drawings) for what is expected to be NGB-X. Four engines, smaller than a B-2, looks like a diamond with wings.
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I am curious as to how they manage they managed to get that fast with fixed inlets, and I must now try and find the drawings for the NGB-X
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Anything I have heard from knowledgable people tells me the top speed of the F-22 is pretty close the F-15, but not higher even though the raptor has more powerful engines. The difference is that the performance of the F-22 is much more useable. In that it can hit its top speed while still carrying 6 missiles and lots of fuel, the F-15 on the other hand would be slower if it had to carry the same amount of fuel and weapons. Also it flys much faster and higher without thrust augmenters (afterburners in common parlance).
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I've been to a number of them. You get to stroll next to them, you're there when they start their engines, and they taxi through to spectators on their way to the all grass runway.
Last time I attended, there were at least 4 Boeing B-17's, 12 C-47's, an actual flying Lanchaster Bomber, a PBY Catalina, P-51's galore, Corsairs, Hellcats, P-40's, and a lot more. Unfortunately, it's the same weekend as the 24 Hours of LeMons New England....
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Also, nose art needs work.
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I'd heart click again for that if I could.
Nice Flying Tigers picture.
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Just spec my Camaro without the stupid wing on the back, please. And my GT-R without the dragon.
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As ever, the "God Mode" aspect of the airplane is supplied by the skills of the pilot flying it.
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Boeing introduces the Silent Eagle, a modified F-15 Eagle with more stealth and increased efficiency for the downmarket, green customer.
New for the Silent Eagle are aerodynamic enhancements such as canted vertical stabilizers and new Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs) which can house an array of weapons including AIM-9, AIM-120, JDAM, and SBT. For a retro look, the conventional weapons load can be carried in the current-generation CFT.
Reliability and survivability enhancements include a new Digital Flight Control System, Digital Electronic Warfare System (DEWS), and Advanced Electronic Scanning Array (AESA) radar.
Pricing has not been announced, but is expected to be in the $100 million range for new aircraft. See your local Boeing representative to place your order today!
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I think that may be the first-ever ePRS translation that isn't dripping with sarcasm. You must love aircraft as much as I do.
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I'll pretend that I didn't just hear you say that you like the F-15 more than the F-14.
Not that I could hear you say that over the internet in the first place, but you know.