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Detroit, 4:33 PM
Mon Dec 7
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I refuse to believe that someone would happily trade in their 97 Continental R or 06 A4 Cabriolet for a max of $4500, i truly don't think anyone with those cars is that stupid.
So either someone took there severly mashed up Bentley (Which if it was worth less than $4500 probably wasn't drivable and therefore not eligible) and somehow got the dealership to agree to a trade or someone has entered something wrong on a computer and meant to type 2wd Explorer and failed miserably.
You would hope that someone somewhere looked at this list and went eh??? and will investigate what happened but i doubt it.........
09/23/09
I mean to say I lack faith in the intelligence of humanity is like saying the Pacific Ocean is damp, but even I'm doubtful anyone could be that monumentally stupid.
09/23/09
/I wish it was cold, I wish I could see the stars.
09/23/09
So what is happening with this list then? Fraud? Maybe, even probably. Just a cursory look at the list reveals that supposedly 2 2002 BMW (E39) 525i's were traded in under the program. It doesn't even qualify!!!!! Either that's the product of fraud, or the list is just dead wrong. Maybe it's denial, but I'm not going to buy that a GNX was put to death under C4C. The LaForza, Typhoon, 850i, and Excalibur are believable in high-mileage thrashed condition. Still very sad, though.
I hereby mourn these and all other Jalop-worthy cars put to death under C4C. This included a total in the hundreds of mid-90's B-bodies, BMW M's, Audi S series cars, Camaros, Vettes, Foxes, etc etc.
09/23/09
But, then again, there are idiots in the world, as is evidenced by this entire thread/article, assuming it's all true.
09/23/09
09/23/09
And yes, heartless idiots, I might add. The thought of a clunkerized Typhoon sickens me. Even if it does burn more oil than gasoline and has 200,000 miles.
09/23/09
09/23/09
I blame the owners less (who knows maybe these were cars that were dumped on them by deceased loved ones, or some other weird situation) but the dealers more. I mean think about it when they take a trade in that they cant sell (anything older than like 6 or 7 years old most dealers don't put on the lot) they send it to auction. If the dealer had half a brain they would say "sure we will give you $4500" and instead of CFCing the car they would send it out to auction where any of these rides would bring twice that minimum.
I can't even fathom the stupidity!
09/23/09
I would like to think some of these cars had significant body damage, plus maybe a mostly blown engine, transmission, or both. Maybe a salvage title to boot.
Car salesmen are crafty if not rocket scientists. I would assume most of these cars would have had a better offer than CFC from a dealership. What car dealership would leave at least $45k on the table?
There are stories behind these sales.
09/23/09
- 3 Alfa Romeo Milanos
- Over 50 AMC Eagles
- 6 1984 - 1991 Audi Coupe GT and Quattro
- 4 Audi S4's and 4 S6's
- 45 BMW 6 Series
- 1 M3, 1 M5, and 1 Z3
- 1 CCC Engineering Duntov GT
- 52 Allantes
- A Few 1994 - 96 Impala SS
- at least 132 Corvettes
- at least 200 El Caminos
- 17 Chrysler Conquests (Mitsubishi Starion)
- 39 TC By Masarati
- 210 Stealths
- 1 Courier Pickup
- 24 Lightnings
- 107 Ford Taurus SHO
- 3 2007 GMC Acadias
- 15 Isuzu Vehicross
- Jaguars.... that count astounds
- 9 Jaguar XJR
- 2 XK8, 23 XJS, 26 XJS Cvt,
- A Boatload of Grand Wagoneers, and J10/20 Pickups
- 3 Laforzas
- You don't want to now the number of RX-7 and RX-8's
- 26 Merkur Scorpios, 21 XR4Ti's
- 20 Mitsubishi 3000 GT Spyders
- 5 Starions
- 1 2006 350Z Roadster
- 1 2006 Altima Coupe
- 22 Peugeots
- 61 Fieros
- 1 TVR 280i
- 310 Toyota Supras
I Think that's enough to think over
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09/24/09
The new cars in some ways make the biggest indictment of our consumerist, throw-away society, which, despite the best efforts of Pelosi and co to paint this as pro-environment, was what this bill was really about. I've already expressed how I feel about the GNX, so I won't go there... How can anyone in their right mind think that a 3-year old Z-car or a 1 year-old Mustang or 300C is something you throw out like toilet paper when you get tired of it? And how can trading that car in for another new car to make payments on make any kind of financial sense? These people have the same kind of screwed-up mindset as the d-bags who got us into this mess with the subprime loans and defaulting on their mortgages because they didn't feel like paying anymore and what not... the answer to every problem for them is running from any kind of responsibility.
09/24/09
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09/23/09
The longer I live the more I realize that people are just idiots. I think this has something to do with my theory that Darwin was wrong and the opposite is true.
09/23/09
I fear it may be accurate.
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09/23/09
I'm at a loss for words to describe how this makes me feel...
09/23/09
No mention of the TVR that got toasted...
link to the list...[www.cars.gov]