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Rip Torn Pleads Not Guity To DUI Charges, Guilty To Looking Like A Bum
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01/07/09
I agree. and some people can function better then your average driver at .08. its not for the law to tax people on... when you start adding fines and penalaties and felonies for "you could have hurt someone" crimes, you can take that as far as you want.
From : [www.lewrockwell.com]
But there's a more fundamental point. What precisely is being criminalized? Not bad driving. Not destruction of property. Not the taking of human life or reckless endangerment. The crime is having the wrong substance in your blood. Yet it is possible, in fact, to have this substance in your blood, even while driving, and not commit anything like what has been traditionally called a crime.
What have we done by permitting government to criminalize the content of our blood instead of actions themselves? We have given it power to make the application of the law arbitrary, capricious, and contingent on the judgment of cops and cop technicians. Indeed, without the government's "Breathalyzer," there is no way to tell for sure if we are breaking the law.
Sure, we can do informal calculations in our head, based on our weight and the amount of alcohol we have had over some period of time. But at best these will be estimates. We have to wait for the government to administer a test to tell us whether or not we are criminals. That's not the way law is supposed to work. Indeed, this is a form of tyranny.
01/07/09
In other words, they have already committed violations and are then discovered to be drinking.
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/smartassness
01/06/09
Otherwise why not outlaw emotions, as that causes people to drink, causing some people to get hurt... causing people to die.
[en.wikipedia.org])
The idea, is that as much as it sucks for people to get hurt, I would rather loose my legs or my life to a drunk driver then take away someone else's freedoms. If an individual does not damage person or property, then they are not a criminal.
OTHERWISE what you end up with are laws that make criminals... that fine people and provide income to the state because we as a people would rather let the government handle things for us. then you end up with too many laws... where you can be taxed or fined for doing anything, as it is now.
and as a side note, as a 29 year old, I can count on one hand how many times I have had alcohol.
01/06/09
Given that fact I'm going to assume you probably don't spend much time around drunks... they can be pretty fucking stupid. "It's stupid and you could end up hurting someone / damaging something" is not enough of a motivation to keep them from getting behind the wheel, "do it and you're going to jail, where you're going to be somebody's bitch" works much better, even if it's not entirely true.
As a 23 year old college student with a breathalizer, I can assure you, there are plenty of people you don't want anywhere near the road at just .04 BAC, let alone .08 BAC. I know a few people who can function just fine at BACs in excess of .14, but the average person is pretty severely shitfaced at .08
01/07/09
Yes, your position is logically defensible in an argument.
However, it doesn't play out in reality. A logical extension of you viewpoint is to allow pretty much anyone to do pretty much anything--until it harms someone else.
The net result of that will be a lot of people being harmed. Why? Because humans are idiots. Additionally, any modern legal system complicates things. Without all be the most concrete evidence, any wanker with enough money for an ace legal team could walk when pitted against DA staff overworked by the influx of new vehicular manslaughter cases.
The point is, in a functioning society, we accept limits on freedom in exchange for order. This does require a line to be drawn when it comes to reasonable restrictions, but as a society we've agreed that the freedom of driving tanked is a reasonable thing to curtain in exchange for safer roads. After all, all the punishment in the world doen't help if you're already dead.
01/07/09
My projected contribution to the debate was exactly the same as yours, but I couldn't quite spell it out what with all the alcohol in my system.
No, I'm not driving today. Talisker FTW.
01/07/09
Punishments for merely "driving with alcohol in your blood" have gotten extremely heavy handed for a pre-crime.
There must be a better way of getting people off the road without ruining their lives.
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Sounds like Rip Torn is an authentic Celebrity Jalopnik.
01/06/09
Now if someone is hurt by a drunk driver, diffrent story, but DUI, seatbelt laws, cell phone, driving while "distracted"... may as well just fine you when you leave the house because stictically you are going to break a law.
01/06/09
Nothing would surprise me.
01/06/09
There's no excuse for doing stupid crap that puts others at risk.
01/06/09
Letting out a mighty beer fart, he'd point to it and, addressing the approaching trooper, would feign ignorance of its origin, thinking it was the result of some cross-country shortcut that his pickled brain had quickly forgotten.
Aww, Rip, you're shenanigans have tickled our funny bones for decades. Don't ever change buddy.
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nice
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(Full disclosure: I do think the DUIs are a douchebag move, but man... He's Rip friggin' Torn!)
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FAIL.
01/06/09
I've got two old Volvos, two old Subarus, and an old Ford Ranger. If you've got an old car, you've gotta have at least several old cars, 'cause one's always gonna be in the garage.
Rip Torn
. . . or impounded.
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Never mind, he looks like Jack Nicholson.
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Somehow in my mind's eye a Subaru is an ideal vehicle for Christmas tree conveyance. Or maybe an AMC Eagle AWD wagon with woody applique...
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