Alonso was the only reason Renault did as well as they did this season - which wasn't very well at all. He won't be there next year. So Renault might find themselves mixing it up with Force India for last place honors.
Or, they might be considering making an offer to Trulli. #f1
@engineerd: I'm not particularly fond of NASCAR, however it does seem that the learning curve is harder than you think. You have several accomplished open wheeled drivers that have taken years to excel in this series(Montoya, Sam Hornish Jr) and some that have washed out (Sarah Fisher)
Don't forget the list of championship-winning "ringers" who are always supposed to wax the tails of all the NASCAR rednecks.
Scott Pruett
Ron Fellows
Boris Said
Patrick Carpentier
Jacques Villeneuve
Paul Tracy (could never get a ride)
Dario Franchitti (Indy 500 winner, IndyCar champ)
That's just off the top of my head. All the international sports car racing wins and championships, none of them have accomplished squat in Cup. Fellows has won twice in Busch, and that's pretty much it.
The last "outisder" to win in Cup? Mark Donohue in 1973.
F-1, ALMS, IMSA, SCCA, CART, IndyCar... all that expertise doesn't mean a thing when you get into a full bodied car with a steel V8, 4 speed, and a 10" tire.
@longdx: There was a major amount of tongue-in-cheek with my statement.
Racing stock cars, whether it's NASCAR or Sportsman class at your local track is a differenty style of racing than open wheel. However, it is pretty easy to make this jump. Tony Stewart and many of the current "stars" in NASCAR have made this transition.
Racing oval track is a different style of racing than road courses. Especially when you drove road courses in an open-wheel car. I think this is where the majority of IRL/CART/F1 drivers who switch to NASCAR have trouble. The car is a lot different. The style is a lot different. The strategies are a lot different, etc.
It'll be interesting to see how Piquet Jr. can do.
@Uncle Bo: Excellent point. I laugh when teams bring in ringers, because it rarely seems to help. Although, I've often wondered how much of that is the equipment. Let's face it, the championship caliber teams usually aren't the ones bringing in the ringer. I wonder what Said would do with a Hendrick or Roush Fenway car.
Said does run Roush cars and Fellows has driven Hendrick and DEI cars, neither with much success. Scott Pruett runs Ganassi cars.
It's not equipment, its seat time.The feel a driver gets from a Cup car is very different than what a guy like Ron Fellows usually drives. He simply can't drive both cars the same way and a transition takes time.
The open wheel guys struggle because they are very very reliant on aero grip and technology. Sam Hornish is now driving tracks like California and Michigan that he used to run flat out in the IRL. Can't do that at all in a stock car. The rest of the guys simply never figured it out.
All of this means Montoya's success is impressive. Its taken him 3 full years of dedication but he is finally running up front consistently. I don't think any F-1 driver could make even the slightest impact in NASCAR without having teh same dedication.
@Uncle Bo: You're a plethora of stock car knowledge. Very good points, all of them. I didn't realize/remember Said ran Roush. I guess the few years I've taken off from watching NASCAR -- mostly because it got boring when it was Jimmy Johnson or Jeff Gordon winning all the time -- have atrophied my stock car knowledge.
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@Tucker589 is Hoarding James Dean's 550 Spyder: Hey look at AJ Allmendinger, it takes time to acclimate to the nascar way of driving, I'm just wondering who'd be willing to hire a guy that isn't to hot on the F1 circut and crashed on purpose.
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11/04/09
With all the other constructors gone Renault had a shot at WINNING A RACE for once.
So much for making me proud. #f1
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Everyone is jumping ship. #f1
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Or, they might be considering making an offer to Trulli. #f1
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Don't forget the list of championship-winning "ringers" who are always supposed to wax the tails of all the NASCAR rednecks.
Scott Pruett
Ron Fellows
Boris Said
Patrick Carpentier
Jacques Villeneuve
Paul Tracy (could never get a ride)
Dario Franchitti (Indy 500 winner, IndyCar champ)
That's just off the top of my head. All the international sports car racing wins and championships, none of them have accomplished squat in Cup. Fellows has won twice in Busch, and that's pretty much it.
The last "outisder" to win in Cup? Mark Donohue in 1973.
F-1, ALMS, IMSA, SCCA, CART, IndyCar... all that expertise doesn't mean a thing when you get into a full bodied car with a steel V8, 4 speed, and a 10" tire.
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Racing stock cars, whether it's NASCAR or Sportsman class at your local track is a differenty style of racing than open wheel. However, it is pretty easy to make this jump. Tony Stewart and many of the current "stars" in NASCAR have made this transition.
Racing oval track is a different style of racing than road courses. Especially when you drove road courses in an open-wheel car. I think this is where the majority of IRL/CART/F1 drivers who switch to NASCAR have trouble. The car is a lot different. The style is a lot different. The strategies are a lot different, etc.
It'll be interesting to see how Piquet Jr. can do.
@Uncle Bo: Excellent point. I laugh when teams bring in ringers, because it rarely seems to help. Although, I've often wondered how much of that is the equipment. Let's face it, the championship caliber teams usually aren't the ones bringing in the ringer. I wonder what Said would do with a Hendrick or Roush Fenway car.
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Said does run Roush cars and Fellows has driven Hendrick and DEI cars, neither with much success. Scott Pruett runs Ganassi cars.
It's not equipment, its seat time.The feel a driver gets from a Cup car is very different than what a guy like Ron Fellows usually drives. He simply can't drive both cars the same way and a transition takes time.
The open wheel guys struggle because they are very very reliant on aero grip and technology. Sam Hornish is now driving tracks like California and Michigan that he used to run flat out in the IRL. Can't do that at all in a stock car. The rest of the guys simply never figured it out.
All of this means Montoya's success is impressive. Its taken him 3 full years of dedication but he is finally running up front consistently. I don't think any F-1 driver could make even the slightest impact in NASCAR without having teh same dedication.
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Plus I though NASCAR loved people with Jr in their name?
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I always wondered if there'd be a stigma for betraying the team that betrayed him.
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Waiting on the French driver to arrive after the Brazillian...
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Right turns you say? We have the perfect place for you!
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I mean, I don't hate NASCAR (Mexican NASCAR actually race in circuits and not ovals)
but there are better options for racing.
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10/07/09
Kubica is already training for his new job by secreting cyanide capsules in place of his molars.
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