<![CDATA[Jalopnik: ram]]> http://tags.jalopnik.com/assets/base/img/thumbs140x140/jalopnik.com.png <![CDATA[Jalopnik: ram]]> http://jalopnik.com/tag/ram http://jalopnik.com/tag/ram <![CDATA[Five Best And Worst Black Friday New Car Deals]]> This year brings a newcomer to Black Friday steals and deals — cars. There's serious savings to be had on new cars, as well as some seriously horrible duds. Here's five of the best and five to avoid.

Good Deal #1

What: Buy A 2010 Suzuki SX4 For Under $15,000
Where: Suzuki Dealers
Regular Price: $15,849
Black Friday Price: $14,599
Savings: $500 Holiday cash on top of current deals, for a total savings of $1,300.
Why Its A Good Deal: You won't find a better utilitarian vehicle in this price range. Better yet, it comes with an in-dash navigation system featuring Garmin software.

Good Deal #2

What: GM Dealer Closing Sale: $2,000 Off For Certain Customers
Where: Cadillac, Buick-GMC, Chevrolet Dealers
Regular Price: Already heavily discounted
Savings: $1,000-to-$2,000
Black Friday Price: Between $1,000 and $2,000 cheaper
Why It's A Good Deal: Nearly one-million customers living near a closing dealership will receive a letter in the mail this week offering them an additional $1,000-to-$2,000 to purchase a vehicle at a dealership staying open. Deal ends at the end of the month.

Good Deal #3

What: BMW Diesel Luxury Sedans — More Than 10% Off
Where: BMW Dealers
Regular Price: $43,900
Savings: $4,500
Black Friday Price: $39,400
Why It's A Good Deal: BMW is trying to get U.S. buyers to accept diesel vehicles as luxury vehicles and is putting $4,500 in cash where its mouth is. Powerful and efficient, BMW diesels at a discount is a great deal.

Good Deal #4

What: 2009 Cadillac CTS-V: $5,000 Savings
Where: Cadillac Dealers
Regular Price: $58,575
Black Friday Price: $53,575
Savings: $5,000
Why It's A Good Deal: The CTS-V is a world-beater and the few remaining 2009 vehicles on dealer lots qualify for a $5,000 cash back deal. It's the fastest stocking-stuffer on the block.

Good Deal #5

What: Remaining 2009 Dodge Rams Up To $5,500 Cash Back
Where: Dodge Dealerships
Regular Price: $21,510 - $39,935
Black Friday Price: Up To $5,500 Off
Savings: $5,500
Why It's A Good Deal: Dodge is hoping they'll have a few less 2009 Rams sitting under their tree and are offering up to $5,500 in cash back if you'll help rid them of a nicely-loaded one.

Bad Deal #1

What: Ford's Year-End Sales Event Unremarkable
Where: Ford Dealers
Regular Price: Fairly Cheap
Black Friday Price: $1,000 less plus 0% financing
Why It's A Bad Deal: Ford is not as poorly positioned as other American automakers so they're offering a measly $1,000 cash back and 0% financing. This is a good deal — on Black Friday 2006.

Bad Deal #2

What: Baja MotorSports Phoenix 250cc Street Motorcycle A Bad Deal Free
Where: PepBoys
Regular Price: $1,999.99
Black Friday Price: $1,499.00
Savings: $500.01
Why It's A Bad Deal: Even with a $500 discount you're still buying a cheap-for-a-reason Chinese bike that's going to require riding lessons, a license and possibly being abandoned two weeks later on the side of the road.

Bad Deal #3

What: Get Less Than 3% Off Of A BMW M3
Where: BMW Dealerships
Regular Price: $54,850
Black Friday Price: $53,350
Why It's A Bad Deal: BMW knows it has a great product in the M3 sports sedan and it's throwing its smallest cash back offer on them. For less than 3% off most buyers won't notice it.

Bad Deal #4

What: Get A "Free" Upgrade To An AWD Charger You Didn't Want
Where: Dodge Dealerships
Regular Price: $30,540
Black Friday Price: $25,700
Why It's A Bad Deal: Dodge has a slate of attractive incentives for those wanting to buy a new car from them, but the "free" upgrade to an AWD Charger is selling you an unpopular AWD upgrade instead of more cash off the car you actually wanted.

Bad Deal #5

What: Subaru Donates $250 To Charity For You
Where: Subaru Dealers
Regular Price: Regular Price
Black Friday Price: Still The Regular Price On Many Models
Why It's A Bad Deal: We think Subaru's "Share The Love " event is great for the five charities that get $250 when you buy their car, but it's not a great deal for consumers. Blame it on Subaru building cars people want.

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<![CDATA[REPORT: Ugly-As-Sin Fiat Doblo Coming To States As Ram Van]]> Automotive News reports the just-revealed Fiat Doblo will be sold stateside as either a seven-seater with windows or a panel van to take on the Ford Transit Connect. My name is Ram, my Doblo is full of ugly?

According to AN, it's due to join the recently re-branded Ram brand of trucks for the 2012 model year, there's no official word on which engines will make it to this country. Production will remain in Turkey, indicating we won't get a 700 HP V8 version or even the Sebring's terrible 2.4-liter that manages to produce no power, yet freakishly poor fuel economy. Instead, we'll likely get Fiat's own 95 HP gasoline engine even though we'd really rather like to have the choice between one of Fiat's passable Multijet diesel engines, which will be offered in European Doblos in 90, 105 and 135 HP forms. Please Santa, make them bring it in with a manual transmission.


In Europe, small vans like this (the Doblo is based in the Focus-rivaling Fiat Grand Punto) are workhorses for small businesses, large families and urban delivery men, pushing interior space to the limits of the vehicle's footprint to deliver lots of space inside compact proportions. That combination of utility, fuel economy and the ability to fit into a parking space has to be experienced to be believed. After driving a diesel-equipped Transit Connect around London for six months, I'll never be able to settle for the poor size-to-capacity ratio of a pickup American-style minivan ever again.

Here's the press release:

World premiere New Fiat Doblò: meet the 'family space'

Meet the new Doblò, the Fiat car that is all about space.

A space to be shared with family and friends: a liveable space for people who travel and love to be in company; for people who choose the Doblò as a partner for leisure or work.

A vehicle designed to meet a need for functionality and comfort that makes the most of interior space and can accommodate up to seven people. An authentic 'family space' that can rely on top-class safety, economy and respect for the environment.

Compared to the previous version that sold approximately one million units, the new model has been completely revamped in terms of style, engines and technical specifications. These aspects make the new Fiat Doblò the "best in class" both in terms of space and in terms of reduced emissions.
All this has been achieved through the use of a new platform, more passenger space (with a wheelbase of 2755 mm, the biggest in its segment), a roomy 790 litre luggage compartment, reduced CO2 emissions (129 g/km with the 1.3 Multijet 90 HP engine, the lowest in its category), standard safety features and highly modular interiors with seats that can be folded and tilted.

Style and comfort

The look is very cutting-edge. With a central shield and side bumpers that are perfectly integrated with the body, the front end blends protection and sophistication while the pronounced wheel arch and sloping shoulder contribute to the vehicle's strong and agile look. The tailgate's essential lines emphasise the accessibility and size of the generous load compartment; clear, sparkling light clusters and expanses of glass give the new Doblò a touch of elegance.
The interiors have also been designed to offer functionality and create attractive, welcoming environments through combination of colours, materials and trims.
Smart solutions for the best use of on-board space, such as a range of storage compartments and flexible interiors, offering up to 7 places, will satisfy the needs of those who make the Doblò a car to be enjoyed with family or friends.

Environment and economy

The Fiat Doblò will offer 4 power units at its launch: a 95 HP petrol engine and three diesel Multijet engines, 90, 105 and 135 HP, which will later be joined by a Natural Power engine with dual fuel system (petrol and methane) and an additional diesel engine with Dualogic robotized gearbox.
All units are lively and offer smooth torque delivery. They are remarkable for driving satisfaction, excellent performance, low noise levels, low operating costs (fuel consumption and maintenance) and also for their reliability and eco-friendliness.
The range is available with Euro 4 and Euro 5 versions and offers a Start&Stop device as standard, which cuts off the engine temporarily when the car is stopped to guarantee reduced fuel consumption and emissions.

Safety

To ensure optimum dynamic behaviour, comfort and active safety in all road surface and load conditions, the vehicle has been equipped with innovative mechanical features including a bi-link rear suspension system available with various component calibrations depending on vehicle application. The Doblò's consistent and predictable road-holding is also guaranteed by the use of state-of-the-art electronic devices for stability control, namely ABS with electronic brake force distribution EBD and, above all, ESP complemented by a hill-holder system that helps the driver during Hill starts and comes as standard on this model.

The vehicle has been designed and built to achieve the highest levels of passive safety, due to a body with crumple zones, front air bags and innovative front side bags. The latter offer protection for both head and chest.
The vehicle also offers technical solutions and equipment that create optimum comfort conditions and help keep attention on the road: these include an automatic climate control system with distribution to rear seats, cruise control, parking sensors, a built-in Blue&Me hands-free system and a "Blue&Me TomTom" navigator.

The Doblò Cargo, also new, is at the top of the professional vehicle category

The new Fiat Doblò is joined by the new Doblò Cargo which has been designed to take its place at the top of its category in terms of performance and functional characteristics. It offers a more roomy load compartment than the previous model: square, regular, fully exploitable and equipped with sliding side doors and generously-sized rear doors to make light work of loading and unloading operations. Record-breaking statistics (interior length up to 2.2 metres, width between wheel arches of 1.23 metres, volume from 3.4 to 4.2 cubic metres, payload from 750 to 1000 Kg, combined fuel consumption of 4.8 litres/100 km and range of 1250 Km with the 1.3 Multijet engine) ensure that the new vehicle can offer substantial benefits in terms of optimisation and reduction of running costs.
The range finds expression in 7 different body types: short and long wheelbase van, high top van, short and long wheelbase 5-seater combi; a particularly appealing and brand-new short and long drop-framed version can be easily and cheaply converted for specific trades (refrigeration chambers, fixed and tilting flatbed trucks).

The new models are due to be launched from mid-January 2010, but it will be possible to order the vehicles from the end of November in Italy and from December in other European markets.

Turin, 16 November 2009

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<![CDATA[Five Reasons Dodge Shouldn't Divorce Ram]]> Five reasons Dodge and Ram shouldn't divorce. The sixth? For the kids. [PickupTrucks.com]

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<![CDATA[My Name Is Ram, I Am A Huge Closet Case]]> My name is Ram. I am a huge closet case. [VanityFair]

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<![CDATA[My Name Is Irony]]> My name is Ram. My tank is full. I am fueled by optimism, driven by passion and stopped by lawyers...

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<![CDATA["My Name Is Ram" Ad Just Too Easy To Parody]]> The My Name Is Ram ad has only been on the web for a few hours and already here's the first parody exposing Chrysler's full tank of schlock. [Banovsky]

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<![CDATA[First "My Name Is Ram: My Tank Is Full" Ad, For Real]]> After attempting to show you the first My Name Is Ram commercial yesterday, we now have the final-cut that aired at last night's World Series below the jump.

The ad was put together by the Richards Group of Dallas (who does all those great Bridgestone ads) and, according to AdAge, may be voiced by company founder Stan Richards himself.

We think the commercial is a bit much, trying to capture the Whitman-esque charm of the new Levi's commercials but, you know, while talking about a truck and not the American spirit. Either way, people who don't know who Walt Whitman is will probably be equally as moved. [AdAge]

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<![CDATA[Chrysler's Complete Five-Year Product Plan]]> Here's Chrysler's complete product plan — all the brands including Fiat — for the next five years. Basically, the five-hour event Wert's been at all day is all boiled down to the short gallery of powerpoint pages below. Hit it.

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<![CDATA[First "My Name Is Ram" Ad: My Tank Is Full...]]> Here's the first look at the new ad for the Dodge Ram brand with the awkwardly double entendre-filled, overly repeated taglines: My Name Is Ram and My Tank Is Full. Yeah, you're definitely full of something New New Chrysler.

Sorry, we had to pull the video down. We didn't realize we weren't supposed to be taking video or photos in the session. — Ed. And it's back up!

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<![CDATA[Eight Most Sexually Suggestive Car Names]]> When automakers choose car names they often try to evoke strength, performance and desirability — sometimes that last one goes a bit too far. Below, our list of the eight most sexually suggestive car names.

If you think you can do better than these eight, drop the names/images into the comments as if they were your drawers.

8.) Vehicle: Nissan Homy Super Long
What It Suggests: Being well-equipped for any journey.
Use It In A Sentence: Women go crazy for a Homy Super Long man.

7.) Vehicle: Dodge Ram
What It Suggests: Forceful love making.
Use It In A Sentence: He put the tailgate down and gave me the full Ram.

6.) Vehicle: Audi TT-S
What It Suggests: Only Ze Germans could make a breast reference more efficient.
Use It In A Sentence: He was pleasantly surprised by the size of her TT-S.

5.) Vehicle: Ford Escort
What It Suggests: You're guaranteed to have a good time with an Escort, but you'll pay for it.
Use It In A Sentence: That Escort gave me crabs.

4.) Vehicle: Mazda Scrum Wagon
What It Suggests: A cleaning device used at a strip bar.
Use It In A Sentence: Cleaning out the Scrum Wagon is totally Charley work.

3.) Vehicle: Hummer
What It Suggests: To quote the poet: a handy would certainly be dandy, but if you want to know me then....
Use It In A Sentence: Arnold Schwarzenegger was a big proponent of the Hummer in the 1990s.

2.) Vehicle: Dodge Magnum
What It Suggests: It's the BIGGEST of the LX-platform vehicles.
Use It In A Sentence: I'm not sure if his Magnum will fit in my parking space.

1.) Vehicle: Ford Probe
What It Suggests: We come in peace, but we still want to know what's going on in there.
Use It In A Sentence: Spend all day with a Probe and your back will fall asleep as well.

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<![CDATA[Chrysler: Ram Gets Own Brand, Gilles to Run Dodge Cars]]> The rumor Chrysler would spin off the Ram from the rest of their Dodge-y offerings as a new brand is now official. Also, star car designer Ralph Gilles, the pen-man behind the 300C, will run the ram-headed brand's car side.

Considering the design of the platform prostituted cars — the Caliber and Avenger — the brand's currently got, this news is nothing but good. We've already seen what Gilles was able to do with the Chrysler 300C (now long in the tooth, but we can't blame Gilles for the inability to provide cash and a platform for a redesign), the interior of the Dodge Ram and then finally, with one hand tied behind his back with the 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee, so we've got to believe this is great news for Dodge's non-hauling offerings.

As far as the creation of a new "Ram" brand? That seems rather silly to us, but what do we know, we're not Italian. Full press release below.

Chrysler Group LLC Announces New Appointments

Auburn Hills, Mich. , Oct 5, 2009 - Chrysler Group LLC today announces brand and commercial organization changes.

"The brand-focused strategy has been refined further with the unbundling of the Dodge Brand which now consists of the Dodge RAM Brand and the Dodge Car Brand organizations. This reorganization will allow us to protect and develop the unique nature of the product offerings within the Dodge Brand," Mr. Sergio Marchionne, Chief Executive Officer, Chrysler Group LLC said.

Fred Diaz Jr. is appointed President and CEO, Dodge RAM Brand with profit and loss responsibility for the Dodge RAM product portfolio. Mr. Diaz will also be the lead executive for the Sales organization in the United States. He was previously the Director of the Denver Business Center. Mr. Diaz has been with the Company since 1989 in positions of increasing responsibility. The Company will announce Mr. Diaz's replacement with a separate announcement.

Ralph Gilles is appointed President and CEO, Dodge Car Brand with profit and loss responsibility for the Dodge Car product portfolio. Mr. Gilles will continue to lead the Product Design organization of Chrysler Group which he joined in 1992.

Olivier Francois is appointed President and CEO, Chrysler Brand, with profit and loss responsibility for the Chrysler product portfolio. Mr. Francois joins the Company from Fiat Group Automobiles where he serves as head of the Lancia Brand, a position he retains. Mr. Francois will also be the lead executive for the Marketing organization with responsibility to coordinate worldwide marketing strategies, brand development and advertising for the Chrysler, Jeep®, Dodge Car and Dodge RAM brands. He will continue to lead these functions within Fiat Group Automobiles. Mr. Francois joined Fiat in 2005.

Michael Manley will continue as the President and CEO, Jeep Brand with profit and loss responsibility for the Jeep Brand product portfolio. Mr. Manley will also be the lead executive for the international activities of the Company outside of NAFTA and will be responsible for implementing the co-operation agreements for distribution of Chrysler Group products through Fiat's international distribution network. Mr. Manley has been with Chrysler since 1998.

Joseph Veltri joins the Management Team as Head of Product Planning. Mr. Veltri started with the Company in 1988. His career has included positions in product planning, marketing, business strategy, and finance. He served most recently as Product Planning Lead and Head of Truck/SUV Planning.

Peter Fong, head of the Chrysler Brand has resigned for personal reasons. Michael Accavitti, head of the Dodge Brand has resigned to pursue other interests.

About Chrysler Group LLC

Chrysler Group LLC, formed in 2009 from a global strategic alliance with Fiat Group, produces Chrysler, Jeep®, Dodge, Mopar® and Global Electric Motors (GEM) brand vehicles and products. With the resources, technology and worldwide distribution network required to compete on a global scale, the alliance builds on Chrysler's culture of innovation – first established by Walter P. Chrysler in 1925 – and Fiat's complementary technology – from a company whose heritage dates back to 1899.

Headquartered in Auburn Hills, Mich., Chrysler Group LLC's product lineup features some of the world's most recognizable vehicles, including the Chrysler 300, Jeep Wrangler and Dodge Ram. Fiat will contribute world-class technology, platforms and powertrains for small- and medium-sized cars, allowing Chrysler Group to offer an expanded product line including environmentally friendly vehicles.

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<![CDATA[2010 Dodge Ram Power Wagon: Now With Pretty Stickers!]]> The 2010 Dodge Ram Power Wagon features new sheet metal, an interior upgrade sharing styling and components with the light-duty Ram 1500 and in lieu of 2009's chrome Power Wagon badges there's big vinyl tailgate and hood graphics. [Petersen's4Wheel, PickupTrucks]

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<![CDATA[Fiat To Create Ram Brand, Rush New Chrysler Models To Market]]> Fiat to create Ram brand, rush new Chrysler...err... Fiat models to market. [Reuters]

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<![CDATA[The Secret Behind The 2010 Dodge Ram's New Tow Rating]]> Shh! Don't tell anyone! We figured out the secret behind the 2010 Dodge Ram 1500's seemingly inexplicable increase in towing rating. It's Magic Spring Dust! See, we told ya it was magic. [PickupTrucks.com]

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<![CDATA[2010 Dodge Ram 1500 Magically Increases Towing Rating]]> The 2010 Dodge Ram 1500 doesn't have a single engineering change from 2009 that explains how they've managed to boost towing capacity by 1,350 lb. So how'd they do it? Well, we're pretty sure it's magic pixie dust. [PickupTrucks.com]

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<![CDATA[Chrysler Kills Diesel Engines For Dodge Ram 1500 Pickups]]> Our friends at PickupTrucks.com uncovered a motion filed by Chrysler in bankruptcy court earlier this week, that indicates the bankrupt automaker's killed its heavily-anticipated light-duty diesel engine for the half-ton Dodge Ram 1500. At least temporarily.

Although Chrysler doesn't have a comment, Cummins director of public relations, Mark Land, claims it's not a surprise. Sure, for you. For diesel loving light-duty hauling buffs, they're simply crushed. But, the expectation is Chrysler wants to resurrect the engine plan under the new Chrysler LLC with new terms. Mmm, cheaper pricing. More over at PickupTrucks.com!

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<![CDATA[Dodge Ram 5.7 Liter HEMI V8]]>

You didn't think we'd leave the Mopar-maniacs out of the fun did you? Say what you will about the Dodge Ram or other Chrysler products the HEMI V8 goes into, but the 5.7 liter unit in the Ram is quite a nice piece. It's got a 10:1 compression ratio, variable valve timing, coil-on-plug ignition, aluminum cylinder heads an active intake manifold which changes the intake runner length, to vary torque delivery through the rev range. 380 HP and 404 lb-ft of torque doesn't hurt either.

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<![CDATA[2010 Dodge Ram Hemi Hybrid]]> Want a Hemi-powered pickup and still get semi-decent fuel economy? Well then maybe the 2010 Dodge Ram Hemi Hybrid will make sense to you. It sure doesn't to us. [PickupTrucks.com]

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<![CDATA[Scouting Magazine Picks Five Best Vehicles For Playing With Kids]]> Some of us were Scouts as kids, now we see the organization as a vaguely-militaristic-indoctrination club for parents living vicariously through their children, but hey, they've picked their five favorite kiddy-haulers.

Apparently Scouting families are not for want and prefer American, as the cheapest in the pack starts around $28k and there's one foreign-badged car in the crowd. Should you be a scouting parent and interested in their recommendations, below, in no particular order, are the 2009 Scouting Magazine picks for hauling your troop to a secluded camp far from the prying eyes of the general public:

You can check out the full cover, of which Ford is proud to have snagged, HERE and head over to Scouting Magazine to read through their reasoning for each choice but beware, one of the categories is "Coolest Optional Equipment." [Scouting Magazine]

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<![CDATA[New Ford F-150, Dodge Ram Split Confusing Texas Truck Awards]]> Considering the tremendous capabilities and competency displayed by the 2009 Ford F-150, it's anything but a surprise the truck has been awarded the Truck of Texas title by the Texas Auto Writers Association, making it the sixth year in a row Ford has owned those bragging rights. It was a good year for Ford and no doubt, cost-responsible champagne will be flowing. However, we're definitely confused by this next part. Apparently TAWA also awarded the 2009 Dodge Ram "Full-size Truck of Texas," something which seems to directly contradict the idea of awarding the F-150 the "Truck of Texas."

The "Truck of Texas" award is given at the end of a juried voting process following an event lovingly referred to as the the Texas Truck Rodeo. Ford also took home awards for "Truck-Line of Texas," "Best SUV of Texas" with the Expedition King Ranch (which we didn't even know existed), and "CUV of Texas," (apparently a fairly new category) with the Ford Flex. But that's where things stop making sense.

Considering the F-150 is, you know, full-size and all, we're still confused with how Dodge towed away the full-size award. Then, just to pour gas on the conflagration of bragging rights confusion, the Dodge RamBox was awarded "Outstanding Truck Feature." So, we have a the F-150 as the "Truck of Texas" but apparently its not full-sized enough to be awarded the "Full-size Truck of Texas," nor does it have the best feature, both awards going to the Ram. Right. They sure do things strange down there in Texas, don't they? [Detroit Free Press]

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