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    The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair

    DOTS-O-Rama Sunday: 1964 Chevrolet Corvair

    This Corvair Convertible Doesn't Fear Colorado Snow!

    Ralph Nader: Devil Or Angel?

    Corvair 95!

    Behold the Polaris, a Rear-Engined Pontiac!!

    Nader? I Don't Even Know Her!: Corvair-Loving Iowan Must Give up "F Nader"

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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/17/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    Team Nadir for the win!


    Do not, I repeat, dignify Nader the crackpot with any kind of attention. The next thing you know he will show up and start campaigning for something or other and drag the whole race into a black hole of boredom and has-been-osity.

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    Image of etimmz etimmz
    11/15/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    still no details on where you plan on fixing up this sled? New England is a pretty big state (that's supposed to be a joke).


    I'm in MD and would love to turn a wrench and flog something like that around a race track...might even be more fun than my E30.

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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/15/08

    @etimmz: Ok, well I live in teh Hartford CT Area. The car will be set up in a garage in Plainfield, CT, an easy exit off I-395. MD is a bit of a haul to CT, but you're more than welcome to join. Perform a private message with your e-mail address.
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    Image of wheels OF satan! wheels OF satan!
    11/15/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    this is all ha ha funny,


    but seriously,


    pre-68 cars do NOT have a collapsible steering column


    and will SPEAR you through the chest in the advent of a wreck

    even if you are strapped in your seat


    do yourself a favor


    and restore it and drive very slowly around auto shows


    and note to LeMons--

    BAN anything without collapsible steering columns ( ie- anything pre 68)

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    Image of Murilee Martin Murilee Martin
    11/15/08

    @wheels OF satan!: It would be a good idea to tie the cage into some frame/suspension components ahead of the steering box and/or retrofit a collapsing steering column into the Corvair.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    I would book vacation time to come join that crew. I would be the weakest link, but I would absolutely come join in.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    Well, It's 8:45 and I just got in from another hellish week in the pits. And what do I see on the old Jalop but my future LeMons racer. Let it be known that I will get to each and every body that has responded that wants to participate, but it will have to wait until after I grab something to eat, and wind down, so it may be over the weekend.


    Anyway, let me get to the important topics that have been raised. The Rim width is 4.5", and there is a very good reason for that. The rear fenders are styled like they are skirted, as was the style in the early 60's for sedans. I want to keep the fender lines, so I have to run a narrow tire. The tires that I have chosen have a treadwear rating of something like 380, which is a hell of a lot better that your typical all season tires of 500 or so. There will be a modification to the rear suspension incorporating the 1964 fix (which corrected the turning under in heavy cornering).


    This is the reason why I'm going to sell off as much of the original parts as I can, to get this car at or under $0, so I can start doing said modifications. I've taken to heart what Murilee has done with his/her V8LVO, and will be using what I learned from that project to prepare my own chariot of oversteer.


    Anyway, I have taken a through look at the undersides of the car yesterday afternoon, and there is absolutely no rust in the floorpans, the exhaust system is practically new, the bottom side of the engine has no bumps scrapes or bruises to the oil pan, transmission case, manifolds, and all of the suspension components are all sound. The halfshafts seem to be in good order, though I will probably replace them, as well as all the shocks, and steering components.


    I'm rather glad you guys find this thing so amusing. I hope she will put on a good show for all of you. All I have to say is if you are going to attend the Lemons New England this year, bring video and still cameras, as I won't have the time to cover it like I did last year.

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    Image of DannyBN DannyBN
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    So, like, I'm sitting here thinking "Jeez, that sucker looks familiar" and then it hits me: I saw it on my Labor Day road trip!


    You should have bought the Packard instead. :p



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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/14/08

    @DannyBN: I drool in the general direction of that Packard.
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    Image of DannyBN DannyBN
    11/14/08

    @mechimike: Vermont is full of drool-worthy cars. I found what appears to be The Elephant's Graveyard, but couldn't get any decent pictures because of some rather vocal guard dogs. The place was full of iron from the 40's to the 80's, mostly American and in reasonably good condition.


    Here's a shot from space, in case you're ever in the neighborhood and want to check it out (although it's off the beaten path, even by Vermont standards): [tinyurl.com]

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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/14/08

    @DannyBN: I once got utterly lost in Massachusetts in search of some elderly Volvo parts in a "bone yard" there. Next time I find myself in Newish England, I'll be hunting down this place of which you speak.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/15/08

    @DannyBN: Oh god. I want that Packard so badly it hurts!
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    How wide are those rims? If (as i suspect) they're 4 inches or less, you might have trouble finding tires. Since wheels are safety equipment and not covered by the spending cap, why not get some slightly wider steelies?
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    Image of Vintage Racer - with V-12 goodness Vintage Racer - with V-12 goodness
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    Tire choice - for 13" rims...


    Toyo R888 205/60 R 13. Great dry to light rain tire.

    Lots of grip, last the race.


    Or Hoosier rain tires in the 195/60 R 13.

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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    I drive a '64, with swing axles, on days when the broken convertible top doesn't ruin the experience.


    UD, you know where to find me. I'll drive, anytime, anywhere. I even own a copy of Nader's (in)famous book.


    And I drove a 66 Volvo at Lemons South. I know old cars.


    Still, I'm curious: how does one get (2) NOS Corvair carbs under budget?

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    Image of Smells_Homeless Smells_Homeless
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    Forget the Nader theme, he's the anti-car and should not be supported.


    Instead, go with Team Science Patrol. Ultraman up those firesuits and fight giant monsters.

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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    11/14/08

    @Smells_Homeless:


    No. It should simply be "TEAM SCIENCE."


    [www.wearscience.com]

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    Image of Al Navarro Al Navarro
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    UDman...2009 is very tight on time for me already (Se7ens meet, LOG down at the Barber museum, a very special birthday for, ahem, me, etc.)...but you know I can operate a car without killing the driver or the passenger.


    You know where to reach me.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    Team Naderade!


    Or, if the Jalop/Le Mons nation deems it to be a "one and done" theme, may I suggest Team Ass-Engined Yankee Grocery Getter?

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    Image of joneez wants the clunkers he paid for joneez wants the clunkers he paid for
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    UDman, I like the obligatory UD part there. Does UD have any gasoline engines you could prate the carbs from?
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/15/08

    @joneez: No, only Diesel Engines.....
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    Image of Triborough Triborough
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    You could probably get $10 a piece at least for the license plates on eBay. Just yesterday I put an old New Brunswick plate on eBay and right now it is up to $23.50 for some reason.

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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/15/08

    @Triborough: That's one thing I plan on keeping on this car, to honor it's Vermont Heritage, along with these stickers:



    That's a AAA Vermont club sticker on the left, and the Vermont "251" club sticker signifies someone who set out to visit all 251 Vermont cities, towns and communities.
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    Image of TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah
    11/14/08

    In reply to The Oldest 24 Hours Of LeMons Car Yet: UDMan's 1963 Corvair
    I'd see if I could replace the lower glide. Horrible transmission for this sort of racing.


    "Slip and slide with a Powerglide"


    That, and the whole 2 forward gears sort of sucks.

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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/15/08

    @TexanIdiot25: Is excited to get his Chevy finished... sort ...: I am keeping the Powerglide for a couple of reasons. First, to install a clutch pedal and shifter in a rear engined car it a lot of work, and will cost more that the entire budget of the racecar. Second, the powerglide is a pretty rugged transmission that will stand up to the entire race. and third, keeping the engine from over revving will probably keep the fan belts from popping off more than a few times.
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