And what does Detroit problems have to do with the downfall of Toyota/ Honda? If these cars are so dear and perfect, then they shouldn't be effected right? If Detroit has fallen on its own knife, then what's happening to Japan? Why are individuals so easy to point fingers without really researching facts today, do you really think about that?
In a warped sense of whatever. If every car maker is down 50% then could they all be doing things right, but the rest of us are doing it wrong for not buying?
@lilwillie: Actually, not so warped at all. More like dead on.
Unfortunately, those who lost their jobs won't be making any big purchases for a while, and those of us that still have jobs are constantly haunted by the possibility of losing their jobs, and so won't be making any big purchases, either.
Why should the imports succeed any better than the domestics. The reliability gains of last few decades has plateaued the last couple of years, and they all look and function pretty much alike.
They say that nobody builds truly bad cars anymore. That may be true, but the flip side is that nobody builds any great ones, either.
By and large, modern cars are horrifically homogenous, aside from those that guys in Europe build in their sheds. Trying to discern meaningful difference between any two competing vehicles these days is a laborious exercise in splitting hairs.
A "bad" car these days would have been average 15 or more years ago.
@Tanshanomi: ugly assembled dashboards? uncomfortable ride? lousy gearboxes.. oh there are so many things that differentiate USA cars from foreign cars.
@pauljones-Jo Schmo's saintly and opposite twin.: We need to get a Pilot and MDX shot in there somewhere. Although, I'm guessing Honda's biggest problems all have giant buck teeth in the front of them...
I thought about including them, as Honda did indeed jump on that bandwagon, but to be fair, they didn't let themselves get too carried away with it in terms of actual vehicle size, unlike Toyota and Nissan.
For the record it's not a real Acura. It's an Isuzu that some drunk, now dead, Honda big-wig decided would be great to re-badge and call an Acura/Honda. The reason he's dead is because he had little forsight into the reliability of said Isuzu.
@aSoundofSleep hates working in cotomer sevis: Yeah, I know it's just a warmed-over Trooper, but for whatever reason I don't remember Joe's variant netting a "not acceptable" from our dearest friends at CR.
Serves them right. Detroit's been cranking out crap for years. Plus, they totally don't care about the environment. This morning I saw a Chevy Prizm pull out of their driveway and it was smoking way more that the Corolla I had been following for the past few miles.
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Oh wait, because that would only be a stimulus to manufacturers that actually build those cars.
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Yaris? That's not a real car.
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They fell on a sword. It's different, duh.
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They downgraded as soon as they realized that size doesn't matter in the dark.
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Unfortunately, those who lost their jobs won't be making any big purchases for a while, and those of us that still have jobs are constantly haunted by the possibility of losing their jobs, and so won't be making any big purchases, either.
I blame the banking industry.
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And because I can:
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+1 for the awesome Dilbert tie-in.
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They say that nobody builds truly bad cars anymore. That may be true, but the flip side is that nobody builds any great ones, either.
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By and large, modern cars are horrifically homogenous, aside from those that guys in Europe build in their sheds. Trying to discern meaningful difference between any two competing vehicles these days is a laborious exercise in splitting hairs.
A "bad" car these days would have been average 15 or more years ago.
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When they started making cars that mimicked the Titanic. Examples to follow:
I realize that the PT isn't huge like the titanic, but it sure sank as fast.
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I thought about including them, as Honda did indeed jump on that bandwagon, but to be fair, they didn't let themselves get too carried away with it in terms of actual vehicle size, unlike Toyota and Nissan.
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For the record it's not a real Acura. It's an Isuzu that some drunk, now dead, Honda big-wig decided would be great to re-badge and call an Acura/Honda. The reason he's dead is because he had little forsight into the reliability of said Isuzu.
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What can I say. It's my facepalm.
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The Great Experiment: floating Camcordimas