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    Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship

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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    Well, the upside here is that Richards and ProDrive could acquire the Honda F1 team And by 'acquire' I mean, 'be given'. Then Aston martin can run an F1 team. BRG and silver livery. Richards' been in F1 and he knows how to build a winning team. And F1's going to be so cheap you can do it off your lunch money next year!
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    Just pray this doesn't mean Subaru will go the way of Lancia...


    But they will. The legacy (natch) of rallying and the WRX is only one piece of Subaru's business. They really made their sales mark in the States with the Outback, not the WRX. You can see how the new Imprezas are more conventional in both styling and dynamics. Same with the Forester/Tribeca. They're just trying to measure up to Toyota with a full-featured lineup, and given the cut-throat global business turn, I don't blame them. The WRX will live, but there may not even be another "true" STI...it'll probably live on as a WRX trim level.

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    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    I'm horizontally-opposed to this move.
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    12/16/08

    @boosted-lego-wagon: Nice.
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    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    I will say it once again. World Rally Car formula (not to be confused with World Rally Championship) is ruining the sport, as well as automotive industry. If they sticked to group A rules we would still have Mitsubishi competing (and probably winning titles). Both current generation EVO and STI would be better cars because they would have to be. Group A rules help improve the breed. Group A homologation special rules would yield at least 2500 cars which are closely related to the competing cars which normal people could be able to buy. Unlike the present situation where any toad (yes I am talking of Citroen) can enter the championship and exploit the fruits of glory in its marketing ploys while selling cars which have almost nothing in common with its rally competitor sibling.

    And now S2000 rules are taking this a step further. It will eventually kill group N rallying for Lancer Evo RS and Impreza STI Spec C. The demise of both Evo and STI as rally focused cars is already in progress. Eventually they will just stop bothering with making great rally focused cars for mass market.

    Ford didn't even try making an AWD Focus RS. Not the first time, not now with its ridiculous 300 HP FWD car. Group A homologation special rules would have forced Ford to make at least 2500 examples of Focus RS. Not the FWD torque steering monster but an AWD, 2 litre turbo in order to compete in WRC.

    And maybe, just maybe, Citroen would have finally be forced to make a decent performance car for mass market. We all know they can do it, but why bother if you don't have to?


    What I'm saying is, FIA should reinstate group A rules AND homologation specials rules. It would make customers happier, great performance cars abundant and rallying cheaper.

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    12/16/08

    @OG_: Ford did try out 4wd versions of the MK1 RS Focus & the MK2 & didn't find it to be any better,there is plenty of information out there to back that up if you look. As for being a torque steering monster,try driving one. I've owned mine for 2 years,now at 285 bhp,it leaves Scooby's & Evo's in it's dust & no torque steer. As for production figues they made about 4000 mk1's & will make 8000 mk2's.
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    12/16/08

    @OG_: Hear hear!
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    Image of jrhmobile jrhmobile
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    I believe the Carpocalypse is just cover, which Subaru is using for a gracious exit.


    The FIA is forcing Subaru out of the WRC with its S2000 spec rules, which are wholly incompatible with the cars Subaru sells ... and races. Why should Subaru throw an eight-figure budget at a series that will force them out at the end of the season?

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    12/16/08

    @jrhmobile: Wouldn't it look better if they said "Fuck you, then, if our cars are too good," and took their ball and went home?
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    12/16/08

    @jrhmobile: What are the rules? Do they need to use pushrod V8s with carburetors?
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    Image of Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig) Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    2004: The rally-inspired WRX, bringing Subaru symmetrical AWD performance to the streets.


    2010: The mall-inspired Forester, filling the vaguely-defined lifestyle niche between Toyota and Audi.

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    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    Prodrive - start building P2's and we'll forgive you for your sins.
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    12/16/08

    @six: Epic car,if i win the lotto i will be paying a visit to prodrive...

    [uk]
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    12/16/08

    @layabout met the real Santa: I've always wondered about that thing, where is the city car buried in all that stuff?
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    Image of LifeIsBetterAtTheTrack LifeIsBetterAtTheTrack
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    I'm guessing the next announcement will be that Dodge is no longer going to participate in NASCAR
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    Image of TurboWeasel TurboWeasel
    12/16/08

    @LifeIsBetterAtTheTrack:


    It's OK because someone will fill the void.


    Make way for the Tata NASCAR entry!

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    12/16/08

    @TurboWeasel: Or Geely.
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    12/16/08

    @TurboWeasel: I don't think you could pull the styling of the Nano over the body of the CotF. Maybe the Indica (which would definitely attract the stoner crowd) or... picture this... a Jaguar XF Nascar!
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    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    They hardly recaptured past glory, 2008,2007,2006 3rd & 2005 4th.
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    12/16/08

    @layabout met the real Santa: i respect Subaru and all.. but what exactly was their glory ? 2 or 3 years ? that's it ?
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    12/16/08

    @c0de: Sad but true,& they've been dinning out on it ever since.
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    Image of Rust-MyEnemy Rust-MyEnemy
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    Ouch.


    For Subaru, who get literally all their marketing from WRC to pull out is pretty damn serious.


    Still. Let's go the whole hog. Let's pull all the major world-stage, corporate sponsored motorsport events. All gone.


    Who knows? This way maybe the profile of LeMons, Autocross, and hundreds of other less known sports can be raised and get the attention they deserve.


    Unrealistic, I know. But a shift in focus away from the big international formulas could actually give motorsport a much needed shot in the arm.

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    Image of FiverDriver FiverDriver
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    Maybe Audi will consider a return to WRC now that they are out of ALMS.


    Maybe US Network Television will begin to actually broadcast the series instead of just picking up a few measly highlights online.


    Maybe Santa Claus is real.

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    12/16/08

    @FiverDriver:


    Hey man, don't jack with Santa Claus.


    Ever since we found the remains of Grandma after being hit by a three-ton steel sled driven at twice the speed limit by a fat guy and reindeer, me and Grandpa have been believers.

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    Image of jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware jbownsabmw- Koopas Beware
    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    So, should we pool some money and start a race program? Bet we can get some engineers on the cheap.
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    @jbownsabmw but still wants GM to survive: I'll contribute some SolidWorks time, etc. Maybe make it like Project Splitwheel: an open source rally team!
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    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    Colin McRae is turning is his grave.

    you know what, screw Subaru, screw Prodrive..

    There should be a revolution in WRC. i hope alfa and lancia go back to Rallying and bring the sport back to the thrill it used to bring.


    If Skoda can do it, ANYONE could do it !

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    12/16/08

    @c0de:


    I would love to see a new Lancia Delta Integrale, or, dare I say, a Stratos, flying around rally courses.


    Too bad it won't be happening any time soon.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/16/08

    @c0de: I tend to agree, there should be a revolution in WRC, but perhaps not in quite the same way.


    I see a danger of WRC going the way of NASCAR and Formula One; they're looking at increasing the number of rules quite dramatically over the next few seasons, and I suspect it's just a matter of time until you're seeing rally "cars of tomorrow" that have no relationship to the actual car being sold on a lot.


    As I said yesterday, thankfully we've still got the V8 Supercars.

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    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    WTF? No company on earth is associated with rally quite as closely as Subaru--in every country in which they do business.


    Sounds like a bad move to me.

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    12/16/08

    In reply to Subaru Officially Withdraws From World Rally Championship
    The WRC has been going downhill for some time,it's often better watching smaller organised events & you get to see all the rally legends.
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