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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    12/03/09

    In reply to Porsche Boxster Spyder Glides Almost Weightlessly Into LA
    I rather like it. Hopefully it depreciates enough in time for my midlife crisis.
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    Image of B1663R B1663R
    12/03/09

    In reply to Porsche Boxster Spyder Glides Almost Weightlessly Into LA
    ...or you can simply buy a Lotus Elise for 50 grand and drive that instead.

    that way you can avoid all of the "what's the matter, couldn't afford a 911?" stabs
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    Image of Ben Longo Ben Longo
    12/03/09

    @B1663R: Instead you get "is that a Tesla?!? Oh, no it's a Lotus."
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    B1663R promoted this comment Edited by Ben Longo at 12/03/09 9:03 PM Ben Longo was starred Ben Longo was unstarred
    Image of B1663R B1663R
    12/04/09

    @Ben Longo: 6 of one, half dozen of the other...

    boy, poor people can be so mean!
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/03/09

    In reply to Porsche Boxster Spyder Glides Almost Weightlessly Into LA
    Shedding 80 kilos is laudable. In a world where model bloat is a given, dumping the weight of a passenger from an otherwise empty car is good.

    But 2,811lbs? Still? Sonuvabee, that's fat. FAT. Too bad I can't switch fonts, I'd use something rounder. There must be a lot of heavy crap still aboard. How much other junk could you do without? The Atom carries two, sheds all the amenities including even a nodding acknowledgement of bodywork, and tips in around 1100lbs, I'm comparing apples and oranges here but the Boxster's mission isn't that much different, it's a fair weather roadster.

    How many parts are in steel that could be done in aluminum? How many aluminum bits could be left off altogether? When a two-seat sportscar is tipping in at nearly a ton and a half, a lot of weight loss money is still left on the table. Somebody needs to find it, and cash in.

    Corvette, Viper, all of them. They're overweight.

    /goes back to LoCost website.
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    Image of H. Mushman H. Mushman
    12/03/09

    @Elhigh: This is called: making a car that sells. I agree I would get all giddy if I was presented with a 2000 lb 320 hp Boxster. But Lets be honest. This would be a stripped down tinny race car to hit that kind of weight. Sure if thats what matters to you, go buy a Lotus Exige s or a Elise or hell if your man enough a Caterham or Ariel. Have you ever driven a Lotus Exige? Sweet on a track, but man to live with even as a fair weather car.... no thanks, I had fun but I wouldn't . They should live on slicks and reside in a track hanger, or transport trailer awaiting the next playtime with a Nomex clad pilot.

    Porsche has mastered the pocket knife of a sports car and this is one, that is slightly more specific this time round. Nothing more. It would be a blast on the track I assure you, but I am sure you could live with it day to day.

    Bottom line is: Porsche builds cars that sell. I am sure they will have no problem selling this. 2800 lbs isn't the worst weight in the world and that equates to a HP/ton thats not too shabby.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/03/09

    @H. Mushman: I'd rather have tinny. I've had plush and I've had Spartan, and frankly I prefer Spartan. Painted steel interior makes a little more noise, and when it scratches you whip out the Krylon and you're back in business.

    Does this refute your argument? No. I agree with you, and of course Porsche is in the business of making money, which they do by selling cars. But I wouldn't buy it.

    Better to find a good old 911 when they didn't weigh so much, and stuff a Boxster engine into that. Mmm, tasty.

    Buzzy, too. Ah, well.
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    Image of H. Mushman H. Mushman
    12/03/09

    @Elhigh: (me too) but not day to day.

    I think a GT3 RS would do nicely?
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/03/09

    @H. Mushman: The muffler rotted off my truck, and frankly I don't miss it. I kind of like the rumble.

    My fave: '76 Carrera. 2400lbs, 200+hp. Don't lift in the turns!
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    Image of H. Mushman H. Mushman
    12/03/09

    @Elhigh: @Elhigh: Love it.
    I think off throttles snap over steer is the way to grow hair on your chest.

    and good point. A 911 was once 2400 lbs. Some one take Porsche's cupcakes away.
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    12/03/09

    In reply to How The Porsche Boxster Spyder Shed 176 Lbs And How It Can Lose More
    They could shed another 200+ lbs by shedding the passenger seat, and the passenger.

    Also, they could shed 100 lbs by not selling the car to Americans. :P
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    12/03/09

    In reply to How The Porsche Boxster Spyder Shed 176 Lbs And How It Can Lose More
    Perhaps they should hire the Top Gear trio as consultants. Clarkson as the strategist, May as the engineer, and Hammond as... the entertainment?

    Just don't use Clarkson as the engineer, Hammond the strategist, and May as entertainment.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    12/02/09

    In reply to Porsche Boxster Spyder Glides Almost Weightlessly Into LA
    8.78 lbs/hp. Pretty good, not amazing. There's something wrong with a world where a Boxter that's under 1.5 tons qualifies as skinny.
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    Image of FrankGrimes FrankGrimes
    12/02/09

    In reply to How The Porsche Boxster Spyder Shed 176 Lbs And How It Can Lose More
    Needs more fiberglass.
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    Image of powermatic powermatic
    12/02/09

    In reply to VIDEO: Driving the Porsche Boxster Spyder
    "That guy's gotta stop... he'll see us."
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    12/02/09

    In reply to How The Porsche Boxster Spyder Shed 176 Lbs And How It Can Lose More
    16" and 17" hoosiers are quite a bit cheaper than their counterparts, especially when you need a new set every year, which you should with a car like this. 19's would force you out of your vacation home faster than you can say "soft market." Actually, most road race tires are quite a bit lighter than street tires, too.
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    12/02/09

    In reply to VIDEO: Driving the Porsche Boxster Spyder
    Love it.
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    12/02/09

    In reply to VIDEO: Driving the Porsche Boxster Spyder
    I don't know why there's so much hate for this car. I'm not a huge Boxster fan, but this might be the first one I would drive. It looks like a hoot, and it's got nice lines. And it's only $3k more than the base S, which is really not much.
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    Image of Steve_in_NC Steve_in_NC
    12/02/09

    @weatherman: hate is from either 911 snobs or from those that are not in that market and are throwing sticks to comfort their ego.
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    Image of 1000songs 1000songs
    12/02/09

    @weatherman: Funny - in 1998 my buddy sold his company and was unable to get his hands on a 911, so he picked up a new Boxster. A few years later he ditched it for a 911 Cabriolet.

    Hands down, the Boxster was way more fun to drive; track or street. I never did take a Boxster S out for a spin, but I'm pretty sure it isn't any less of a blast than the older model(s).
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    12/02/09

    @Steve_in_NC: I count myself in both categories.
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    12/02/09

    @1000songs: Boxster definitely got a bad rep in the first few years as a car that didn't have enough power or Porsheyness, but I think it's moved beyond that. I'd still rather have a 911 Targa 4 though, in case anyone is wondering what to get me for x-mas.
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    Image of Adam Spano Adam Spano
    12/03/09

    @weatherman: So, the Fattest, Worst handling model of 911 available. This car is not for you then, it is not even a consideration.
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    Image of Adam Spano Adam Spano
    12/03/09

    @weatherman: 3k over the price of a boxster S, while shedding some equipment, it gains thousands of dollars worth of equipment. The seats alone are a $3800 option, the rear limited slip differential package is about $2,000 too. Granted, you lose a good bit of equipment, but to take a boxster S, and make this car from what porsche gives you, would cost quite a bit more than what they charge. Especially since the extra 10hp is not available from the factory either.

    All in all, if you want a Mini-GT3-RS a a reasonable price, this is the car, without an ounce of doubt.

    Akin to the classic 550 spyder, in my opinion.
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    12/03/09

    @Adam Spano: I absolutely agree - that's what I meant.

    #tips
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    12/03/09

    @Adam Spano: Well, I might spring for the S, but yes, I'd say even the fattest 911 is on my wish list. I don't need a GT3, and I'd rather arrive in style and comfort than .2 second faster with a plain vanilla Carrera S.

    #tips
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    Image of Steve_in_NC Steve_in_NC
    12/02/09

    In reply to VIDEO: Driving the Porsche Boxster Spyder
    at least you admit it.

    You need to build it in arctic silver with carrera red leather and paint the wheels black.

    oh and put a Capristo exhaust system on it
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    Edited by Steve_in_NC at 12/02/09 6:19 PM Steve_in_NC was starred Steve_in_NC was unstarred
    Image of powermatic powermatic
    12/02/09

    @Steve_in_NC: +1
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    12/02/09

    In reply to VIDEO: Driving the Porsche Boxster Spyder
    It's funny to me; I guess everyone has his own view of which weight saving measures are palatable. When I looked at your list and saw how little weight was saved by deleting AC, I know I wouldn't have made that decision. Nav, on the other hand, bye bye.
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    Image of dragon951 dragon951
    12/02/09

    @snapoversteer 'bout to get told: I noticed that Nav, as it wasn't in the earlier versions of the car. Must be an option. Yet it kind of undermines the point doesn't it? You don't get this car and worry about the destination. The longer it takes to get there the better.

    Unless that Nav has a 'find the fun' function where it plots the twistiest route possible, and takes you on random tangents up canyon roads. Then I'd want it.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    12/02/09

    In reply to VIDEO: Driving the Porsche Boxster Spyder
    I like the top. Reminds me of putting the cover on a buddy's old boat.
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    Image of Turboner Turboner
    12/02/09

    @VeeArrrSix: It kindof reminds me of a garter belt. Not in a bad way, either.
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    12/02/09

    In reply to How The Porsche Boxster Spyder Shed 176 Lbs And How It Can Lose More
    Skip breakfast.
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