@dragon951: Oddly enough, I haven't managed to spin any of the following: '73 911 Targa, '70 912, god-knows-what-year 356, 1996 Cabrio, or 2007 Carrera. I know only three of those count as 911s, but I pushed 'em pretty hard and didn't manage to get into any trouble. Guess I wasn't pushing hard enough.
I didn't do a full 360, but was def facing, well, not the right way, after I was bit too liberal with the throttle in a tweaked '86 911. Scariest part - it happened at 40mph. To this day, though, I still dream about driving that car.
These things make you learn quick, that's for sure.
@ThreeLitre: I've slid the back end out a little, but managed to catch it before it turned into an ass-in-front fest. I'd love to take an '80s or '90s 911 to an oversize autocross course and see how well I can hone my skills! I'd feel safer pushing it there than on the Pacific Coast Highway, ya know?
P.S. Wouldn't that be ridiculously fun? A regular autocross set up with a huge version of the same course set up right next to it that you could take at much higher speeds... less technical, but more demanding of high speed maneuvering skills.
@leetNightshade: I think that's a large part of why it happened at all. I was totally caught by surprise, and it really did teach me how twitchy those things can be, even at lower speeds. I think if I had done it at even a little bit faster speed, I wouldn't be remembering it so fondly.
@Leeeeena the Jalopchick: That would be pretty sweet. Unfortunately I've heard tell that 911s are about some of the toughest cars to autocross at all because of their ass-engined nature.
The last autocross I was at was all BMW, and the one car that was friggin awesome to watch was the new 1 series: short wheelbase, good power, rear wheel drive, and balanced. The guy was flying.
@Turbolence88: I'm pretty sure your snowboard is much, much cheaper than that machine. But then again, those wheelarches add 10 horsepowers each, and shave 5 seconds from the 'Ring time, each.
So, the 911 is a high performance sports car, and the GT3 is a high performance version of the 911, and the RS is a high performance version of the GT3, and the GT2 is a higher performance version than the GT3, but is different than the RS. It's so confusing, is there a chart somewhere? #porsche911gt3rs
man, that thing is nice! homeboy looks like he could use the flappy paddle gearbox though, it look like he just couldn't shift it fast enough and when he took his hand off the wheel to shift it looked like he was going to ditch it.
i absolutely loved the whine of the turbo on the track car... that should be a question of the day, what sound better a turbo or a supercharger? #porsche911gt3rs
@B1663R: GT3s have never had turbos. GT2s and Turbos (obviously) are turbocharged, but GT3s and GT3 RSs have always just been naturally aspirated, which makes them that much more impressive.
The noise sounded like straight cut gears to me. Bonus video of a crazy-ass E36 racecar to show you what I'm talking about:
@Leeeeena the Jalopchick: i coulda sworn that i heard a distinct turbo whine and a blow off... after reviewing the footage that you attached and my dog looking at me funny i would have to say the transmission is making that sound.
in the Porsche vid when he is on the track, it just sounded so turboish, i thought that the racing team added a little somethin' somthin' to give her a bit of a boost.
it takes a big man to admit when he's wrong... lucky for me i am not a big man. #porsche911gt3rs
He who wears the tight pants is casting the bromance stone? Hmm.
Anyway, nice car, could live without the ricer paraphernalia slathered all over the side. If it were mine, I'd be attacking it with a heat gun, Goo Gone and some black paint for those poor wheels/mirrors. #porsche911gt3rs
@ChronicTeutonic: Oh Jeebus, there are some liderhosen in a bunch in here. First, I know what the heritage is. It was gaudy back then and gaudy now. Problem is, they saw the gaudy and raised it to a whole new level. If I wanted to know what it was, I would look at a tastefully understated badge on the trunk. Money could be a lot better spent not making it look like a day-glo clown car. #porsche911gt3rs
@thecrazydanish: Sorry, it is the GT3 Cup even so you could paint that car neon anything and cover it in stickers, I would still give my first child to have one. #porsche911gt3rs
@thecrazydanish: Gimme a break, it's not like it's a house on the Riviera or a hot supermodel foursome you're getting. It's a stickered up Beetle. #porsche911gt3rs
Oh f**k yeah,i need that car. Before the Porsche haterade gets sprayed all over the place i gotta say it's an RS Porsche so it gets straight into my fantasy garage. And after i drop Megan Fox home,i'll pick up Amy Smart in it..........hey it's my fantasy...... #porsche911gt3rs
@pauljones: So Hillary Duff can see past your Saturn and love you for who you are, but as soon as you get a Porsche you dump her for Kristin Kreuk? That's cold. #porsche911gt3rs
There have only been two women in this world that have, upon seeing them, made me lose control of all motor functions and run into a stationary object. Both were of Eurasian descent. #porsche911gt3rs
Don't forget the GT3 RS only comes with a six-speed manual (as do the ZR-1 and Viper ACR). If Porsche were to equip a GT3 RS with their new PDK system, it would probably be a lot closer to the GT-R's time, considering that it shaved 8 seconds off a 2009 Carrera S' Nordschleife time vs. a manually-equipped one.
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@uncleben: Yes, you are not educated about the car and its capabilities. Like most people you know very little about the GT-R, but have a lot to say about it. Get educated before opening your mouth. #ringwars
@avanti5010: Slow down champ. Where is all this unwarranted hostilities coming from? I merely made a statement based on a observation and said that I do need to educate myself about this car. I never tired to put the car down, but merely stated that by looking at it I do not think it was so capable.
I just hoped that someone would take their time to help me understand why the car is as good as it is. Which "Power Tryp forever" has done and you have not.
I do have one request:
Don't cluster me with the Porsche fanboys out there. The ZR1 is still faster so I am happy and I don't want to get involved in the quarrel you Nissan fans have with Porsche fans. #ringwars
@uncleben: It's the classic tale of a car that is magnificent in design, yet poorly executed to save a buck. The GT-R design was a good one, but in order to cut costs and be cheaper than the rest, they appear to have used cheaper materials. This would refer not only to the grenaded transmission joke (cause nothing says a cheap car like buying a new $20k tranny), but to the general expense of maintenance (I'm looking at you $2000 tranny fluid every 18k miles). Then there are non-Jalop complaints like Evo's test where the demo car they had already had cracking brake disks.
This car has the same components you will find in a Porsche cup car (their actual race cars) sans the sequential six and full cage. So you can be assured it will run around the 'ring all day (as it does at the Nurburgring 24 and countless other endurance races), whereas the GTR race car is completely different from the street car (it doesn't even have the same kind of engine).
Then there is the whole issue of a lack of third party verification on the Nissan 'ring time. Porsche is famous for its production cars always achieving the claimed performance figures (in fact, they usually undershoot their claims). This has been verified on every last one of their cars, as they have been running the 'ring since before it was cool. This whole tiff started when Porsche walked into a random US Nissan dealership and bought a GT-R, then shipped it home to verify the time. The best they could manage was in the 7:50s. So far, no one has been able to replicate Nissan's time. Add to this that several magazines (I think Motor Trend was one) dynoed their demo car and found it had been tarted up a bit to wow the reviewers (which isn't all that uncommon). This all leads to the conclusion that the GT-R you buy will probably not be able to turn in a 'ring time of 7:26 or 7:29, but the average car owner (myself included) doesn't have the skill to max out the car anyways.
The final straw would be the warranty issue, where Nissan's clearly states that using your launch control will void the warranty as will dynoing it or taking it to a race track. Therefore, if you drive it in any way other than strictly to the letter of the law, the GT-R's data recorder will tell the Dealership next check-up, and ipso facto, warranty retracto. Contrast this to Porsche, which offers trackday and driver's ed (the race track kind, not the passenger brake kind) courses from the dealership, and will warrant it absolutely so long as you don't try to upgrade parts (although who knows how long that will last once VW has had their way).
The end result is a Porsche may be expensive, but it's not just a mark-up. You get what you pay for, and GT-R owners paid for a house on sand.
Oh, and do group me in with the Porsche fanboys: there is no substitute.#ringwars
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I didn't do a full 360, but was def facing, well, not the right way, after I was bit too liberal with the throttle in a tweaked '86 911. Scariest part - it happened at 40mph. To this day, though, I still dream about driving that car.
These things make you learn quick, that's for sure.
EDIT- sorry, typo - it was supposed to be 40mph
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P.S. Wouldn't that be ridiculously fun? A regular autocross set up with a huge version of the same course set up right next to it that you could take at much higher speeds... less technical, but more demanding of high speed maneuvering skills.
#tips
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The last autocross I was at was all BMW, and the one car that was friggin awesome to watch was the new 1 series: short wheelbase, good power, rear wheel drive, and balanced. The guy was flying.
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Strangely enough I'm cool with that.
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i absolutely loved the whine of the turbo on the track car... that should be a question of the day, what sound better a turbo or a supercharger? #porsche911gt3rs
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The noise sounded like straight cut gears to me. Bonus video of a crazy-ass E36 racecar to show you what I'm talking about:
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in the Porsche vid when he is on the track, it just sounded so turboish, i thought that the racing team added a little somethin' somthin' to give her a bit of a boost.
it takes a big man to admit when he's wrong... lucky for me i am not a big man. #porsche911gt3rs
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Damn is that thing hot. #porsche911gt3rs
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Anyway, nice car, could live without the ricer paraphernalia slathered all over the side. If it were mine, I'd be attacking it with a heat gun, Goo Gone and some black paint for those poor wheels/mirrors. #porsche911gt3rs
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Learn to use the term 'rice' correctly. It does not apply to a track oriented beast such as a GT3 RS in any way, shape or form. #porsche911gt3rs
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@pres: This is why that is NOT rice. Circa 1973...
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Hey, if a customer was willing to shell out the dough for it (in my theoretical dreams), Porsche would do it, right?
You can keep Amy Smart, though. I'll take Kristin Kreuk. #porsche911gt3rs
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Besides, I doubt even Hilary Duff could look past the Saturn.
@Leeeeena the Jalopchick: I do, I really do.
There have only been two women in this world that have, upon seeing them, made me lose control of all motor functions and run into a stationary object. Both were of Eurasian descent. #porsche911gt3rs
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oh wait. #ringwars
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@Steve_in_NC: Hey you guys, remember not to dragon the gtr in public.
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But still that time does seem suspect.
Maybe I'm just not that educated about the car and its capabilities.
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I just hoped that someone would take their time to help me understand why the car is as good as it is. Which "Power Tryp forever" has done and you have not.
I do have one request:
Don't cluster me with the Porsche fanboys out there. The ZR1 is still faster so I am happy and I don't want to get involved in the quarrel you Nissan fans have with Porsche fans. #ringwars
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This car has the same components you will find in a Porsche cup car (their actual race cars) sans the sequential six and full cage. So you can be assured it will run around the 'ring all day (as it does at the Nurburgring 24 and countless other endurance races), whereas the GTR race car is completely different from the street car (it doesn't even have the same kind of engine).
Then there is the whole issue of a lack of third party verification on the Nissan 'ring time. Porsche is famous for its production cars always achieving the claimed performance figures (in fact, they usually undershoot their claims). This has been verified on every last one of their cars, as they have been running the 'ring since before it was cool. This whole tiff started when Porsche walked into a random US Nissan dealership and bought a GT-R, then shipped it home to verify the time. The best they could manage was in the 7:50s. So far, no one has been able to replicate Nissan's time. Add to this that several magazines (I think Motor Trend was one) dynoed their demo car and found it had been tarted up a bit to wow the reviewers (which isn't all that uncommon). This all leads to the conclusion that the GT-R you buy will probably not be able to turn in a 'ring time of 7:26 or 7:29, but the average car owner (myself included) doesn't have the skill to max out the car anyways.
The final straw would be the warranty issue, where Nissan's clearly states that using your launch control will void the warranty as will dynoing it or taking it to a race track. Therefore, if you drive it in any way other than strictly to the letter of the law, the GT-R's data recorder will tell the Dealership next check-up, and ipso facto, warranty retracto. Contrast this to Porsche, which offers trackday and driver's ed (the race track kind, not the passenger brake kind) courses from the dealership, and will warrant it absolutely so long as you don't try to upgrade parts (although who knows how long that will last once VW has had their way).
The end result is a Porsche may be expensive, but it's not just a mark-up. You get what you pay for, and GT-R owners paid for a house on sand.
Oh, and do group me in with the Porsche fanboys: there is no substitute. #ringwars
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