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    "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"

    Pontiac To Kill RWD G8 After Current Generation
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    Bullshit...
    Same body. Manual. Turbo-six (diesel or gas).
    There, fixed it for you.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    MiniMax Lutz's daily to do list:
    #1 - Remove foot left in mouth from yesterday.
    #2 - See if you can't shut up about something for a day or two.
    #3 - try to do something that might result in more and better cars being made and sold.
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    Image of ShradhdhaPeneus ShradhdhaPeneus
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    Who cares if it's RWD? I have a Korean RWD (from the 80's) and yes it is fun to drive... but why go away from it GM, and then come back? Sometimes, by the design of their cars, I would swear that marketing was responsible for deciding where what part goes, and the engineers simply mumble from the back burner...My buddy has a 1994 GTP, sweet car, but the large engine is CRAMMED under the hood thanks to a transaxle. It gets what, 22 Mpg, through the nose-heavy FRONT wheels?

    GM is stupid. They change the wrong things, while modifying things that work. Their slogan should be, "If it finally works, don't use it. If it stops working, keep using the millions of produced units in storage on everything for the next decade"

    Or shorter, "don't change a thing"
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    Image of TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    -Facepalm-
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    You can make a business case for the Impala? It's GM's Crown Vic, except the Vic is rear-drive and tough, and the Impala isn't. And never was. In fact, the W-body's been a joke for the entire 20 years of its life.

    Even Buick got a proper replacement. Come on. You're not getting law-enforcement sales with a torque-steering FWD pile.

    I don't care if they don't offer an SS version. I don't care if it's only available with Stay-Puft Shocks'n'Springs. They'd be idiots to throw away the engineering they've already paid for when they have a car in the same class that's in desperate need of supplantation.

    Keeping the obsolete fleet sellers around in favor of new, desirable product is a big part of why GM is in their present hole. And this sort of thing won't help.
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    Image of WilliamG. WilliamG.
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    Come and listen to my story 'bout a man named Lutz, works for a company and some people think he's nuts. He wants fast cars but the government says no, and now Fritz Henderson is telling old Lutz where he can go.

    Hell, that is.

    Front-drive, fuel economy hell.

    Well the first thing you know, Lutz thinks he's his own man. He tells people what they want to hear as much as he can. Then ole' Fritz lets everybody know, that Bob is his bitch, GM is a one-man show.

    Goodbye Pontiac.

    Goodbye Commodore.

    Y'all keep driving those front-drive econoboxes, ya hear?
     Reply
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    07/17/09

    @WilliamG.:Looks like COTD to me...
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    Image of Mobius Mobius
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    The G8 is ruggedly handsome, good handling, fast, powerful and not bad inside. But the Pontiac badge isn't quite up to the levels of Caddy and the Germans, so people with money are going to buy those. And people without money aren't going to buy a car with teen mpgs. Only real enthusiasts are gonna be interested in buying the G8, and those, we all know, are too busy complaining about Jalopnik 2.0 to be working, and thus not getting that bonus to afford the G8.
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    Image of bzr bzr
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    My retired automotive company chairman could totally kick your retired automotive company chairman's ass.
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    This is the point where I'd like to see Maximum Bob pull a Delorean-sized stunt and ship, oh, 100,000 G8s to border cities in Canada and Mexico.

    I'm also a little disappointed - I figured there must be a decent diesel V6 to drop in the G8, but it just seems like the best there is is a diesel 4 in the Antara (underpowered) or a diesel 4 in their trucks (unrefined).
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    Image of AtlBchGator AtlBchGator
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    BULLSHIT! They aren't bringing it because the UAW doesn't build it. GM is still, and always will be, the UAW's BITCH! And since when does the anti badge engineering argument hold any water at GM? That's all they do. Hell, the G8 isn't even a Pontiac to begin with. If Fritz doesn't like rebadging, how can GM justify half the cars they sell? Not even going to get started on GMC.
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    beercheck - Commentin' Dirty promoted this comment AtlBchGator was starred AtlBchGator was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    07/17/09

    @AtlBchGator: That's an interesting angle.
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    Image of CanWillGO CanWillGO
    07/17/09

    @AtlBchGator:
    can someone get this message to fritz himself. While i'd love to swipe the smirk off his face with this cold hard fact, i don't know him or where to run into him. it just shows he doesn't know the company that he is supposed to lead! hey, give me my money back!
     Reply
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    Image of Philippe Racicot Philippe Racicot
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"

    Too bad GM sold it's appliance division 30 years ago. It's probably the only thing that the "New GM" will be able to build.
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    beercheck - Commentin' Dirty promoted this comment Philippe Racicot was starred Philippe Racicot was unstarred
    Image of beercheck beercheck
    07/17/09

    @Philippe Racicot: Still got one kicking along in the folks' basement. Came with the house. Too heavy to move, but completely unkillable.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    07/17/09

    @beercheck - Commentin' Dirty: Just like a Malaise GM product with a small-block.
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    Image of PaulE PaulE
    07/17/09

    @beercheck - Commentin' Dirty: When/if it does die, a Sawzall will help with disposal, and if done late at night, their neighbors might think there's nefarious doings down there...
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    Image of DrLemming DrLemming
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    At the end of the day the basic problem wasn't Obama, or Lutz's lack of nuts -- it was that the G8 nee Caprice didn't pencil out sales- and profitability-wise.

    The market isn't there right now.

    What's amusing about Lutz's admission is that a similar situation may play out with the pony car market. After an initial burst of sales I suspect that the Camaro will sell well below break-even level. That's not because of CAFE, but the state of the economy, e.g., credit isn't flowing the way it used to. So if people buy a new car at all, they will tend to focus on getting what they need rather than what they want.

    Us gearheads may not like that, but it's reality.
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    beercheck - Commentin' Dirty promoted this comment Edited by DrLemming at 07/17/09 11:32 AM DrLemming was starred DrLemming was unstarred
    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    07/17/09

    @DrLemming: No it's not. Mustangs are selling fine, considering the greater economy. This is hogwash.
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    Image of skaycog was here skaycog was here
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    Yum, yum...crow!!
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    skitter promoted this comment skaycog was here was starred skaycog was here was unstarred
    Image of skitter skitter
    07/17/09

    @skaycog 0.0: I'm not allowed to eat crows anymore.
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"
    I missed you, Big Bob, but now I miss your balls more.
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    Image of 01NB, now with less 01NB 01NB, now with less 01NB
    07/17/09

    In reply to "Maximum" Bob Lutz On G8: "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time"

    Dear Mr. Fritz,

    I bequeath to you one very rusty spoon.

    Please insert it in a non-convenient orifice on your body.

    Regards,

    American Automotive Enthusiasts
     Reply
    Edited by 01NB, now with less 01NB at 07/17/09 10:31 AM 01NB, now with less 01NB was starred 01NB, now with less 01NB was unstarred
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