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    Image of BaronFeardie BaronFeardie
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    First, it's an '88 Formula, which means if it's the original engine is a 2.8 V6, and not the 2.5 four banger. Second, Car & Driver magazine actually built a Honda CRX, with a second CRX powertrain in the rear, ala Fiero, and made one gonzo, over the top all wheeel drive car. They di say the hard part was getting both engines to respond in sync., and paid some really talented people a bunch of money to make it happen.
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    10/28/09

    @BaronFeardie: Second, Car & Driver magazine actually built a Honda CRX, with a second CRX powertrain in the rear, ala Fiero, and made one gonzo, over the top all wheeel drive car.

    There was (is?) a company that would put an extra Northstar V8 in the trunk of a 90s Cadillac Eldorado, driving the rear wheels.

    They also mentioned issues with syncing the engines, but I believe in the end they decided not to worry about it-- as long as one engine isn't way overpowering the other, it works itself out. If one end loses traction and starts to rev too high, the other end will likely upll/push it to better traction. #hybridpontiacfiero
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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    I'm waiting for the Grassroots Motorsports $3000 Challenge to build a really wild ride...
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    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    Pretty cool. I've thought of doing this with a Toyota MR-2 and a forklift motor or two. I did not know there was an electric S-10 though.
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    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    This isn't a Hybrid, it's an e-4WD system.


    A Hybrid uses a combination of ICE and electric motor to drive the same wheels. e-4WD uses an ICE to drive one set of wheels and an electric motor to drive the other set, thus negating the need to run a driveshaft the length of the car.

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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    Conceptual Photoshop™:


    +

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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    What a waste of an '88.
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    Image of Tomsk sez so long Ash78, and thanks for all the fish! Tomsk sez so long Ash78, and thanks for all the fish!
    07/07/09

    @beercheck: Agreed. I wouldn't have minded if they used an earlier one, but the '88s had the bespoke suspension parts, rather than the recycled T- and X-body bits.
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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    It might not be a Ferrari.


    It might not be a Lamborghini.


    But damn if this thing ain't gonna burn like one.

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    Image of dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    I've always been curious, with 2 engine cars driving different sets of wheels, how do you get them to apply power evenly, without fighting eachother?
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    07/07/09

    @dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!: I was wondering the same thing about this application.
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    Image of SirNotAppearing SirNotAppearing
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    How are they going to get the engine and the motor to play nice together? I remember a C&D article about a sedan with two engines, but they both powered the same wheels. But this, where they're powering their own set of wheels? That's crazy. Crazy awesome, but still crazy.
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    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    The best hybrid is still just a hybrid.
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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    So, how does the speed of the front wheels get matched to the speed of the rears? I can see a nightmare trying to get an electric rheostat and a throttle cable perfectly sync'd.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    Do both motors work simultaneously? If so, how is velocity of front and rear wheels synchronized?
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    07/07/09

    @CPO Alfisted: DC Electric motors aren't speed-controlled, they're load-dependent.


    As long as you have a reasonable map between the go pedal and the motor controller, the motor will just provide a "booster" torque to complement the gas motor.

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    Image of Tucker589 is Hoarding James Dean's 550 Spyder Tucker589 is Hoarding James Dean's 550 Spyder
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    This is the reincarnation of Michael Jackson. Someone get an ax...
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    Image of layabout layabout
    07/07/09

    @Tucker589 hates Hyundai: As you mentioned MJ,it reminded me of a joke i heard earlier,

    What are Farrah Fawcett & Michael Jackson expecting for Christmas?.....Patrick Swayze


    (sorry in advance)

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    Image of SirNotAppearing SirNotAppearing
    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: I tried to laugh silently, but it couldn't be contained.
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    07/07/09

    @SirNotAppearing:

    @Tucker589 hates Hyundai: News just in,Michael Jackson didn't die of a heart attack,he was found in the childrens ward having a stroke.


    (ok,i'm sick)

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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: I heard that plans to cremate MJ were canceled - since he was 85% plastic they're just going to recycle him
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    It is people like this that give me hope after watching idiots shooting rockets into their crotches.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    07/07/09

    In reply to Grassroots Motorsports Competitor Builds AWD Hybrid Fiero
    Hybrid + Fiero = fail
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    Image of Lost in the age of Aerostar Lost in the age of Aerostar
    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: coolest hybrid out there
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    Image of layabout layabout
    07/07/09

    @Lost in the age of Aerostar: That's like being voted the best looking guy in a burns unit ;)
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    Image of Matt Hardigree Matt Hardigree
    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: You're crazy, this is awesome.
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    07/07/09

    @Matt Hardigree: I still fear hybrids,is that irrational?
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    Image of Maymar Maymar
    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: I'm sorry, but this vehicle suggests the theory that two fails make a win.


    That being said, a fail plus a win (Hybrid+SBC Fiero) would equal epic win.

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    07/07/09

    @Maymar is (insert recent meme here): That made my head hurt
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    Image of SirNotAppearing SirNotAppearing
    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: Yes. You should only fear the reaper.
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    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: Don't look at it as a Hybrid, 'cause it's not. This is more like Nissan's e-4WD system.


    Rather than hack the sh*t out of the chassis to run a driveline to back and have to deal with a transfer case and all that crap they just stuck an electric motor in the back to drive the rear wheels. Simply flip it around and you've got this system.

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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    07/07/09

    @SirNotAppearing: That's not what I heard.
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    Image of Scandinavian Flick Scandinavian Flick
    07/07/09

    @layabout returns: I always liked word problems.


    We can lay it out like this:
    f + f = w
    and
    f + w = w
    therefore
    f + (f + f) = w

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