I had the chance of driving a Polo a number of times a few years ago and it was a lot of fun. It definitely felt like an economy car, but it did feel a lot nicer than most European econoboxes.
The DSG is supposed to be slightly more fuel efficient than the 6-speed manual. I get the impression that VW, and Audi to a lesser extent, is fully committed to the DSG as a replacement for traditional automatics.
The 7-speed DSG is a dry-clutch transmission, versus the 6-speed DSG found in the states which is a wet-clutch. Whether that is an advantage, I don't know. The thing is that the 7-speed can't handle a lot of power which is why it's found only on small economy cars like the Polo.
I like it. A small econo car an adult can drive without feeling self-conscious, yet it's very nicely tailored at the same time. Looks more expensive than it is. The BMW 1-series should look this good.
How To Get A Diesel Engined Compact Car in America:
1) Endlessly whine about not not having any diesel engined compact cars.
2) Keep saying how much you would want to buy one.
3) Wait several years.
4) When Introduced, criticize the styling.
5) Upon further inspection complain that it's too small and too expensive.
6) Watch car disappear from U.S. market.
7) #@%&!
8) ???????
9) Profit!!!
@wojo: Just an addendum to step 5 - complain about how the diesel model is just too slow, and we should've gotten the spleen-punching high performance model instead, and this is just proof as to why *insert manufacturer here* doesn't get it.
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@Nickyboy - cruising the Autobahn and listening to the Scorpions: I think it's a matter of relatively low sales in the Canadian market combined with the cost of federalization and low profit margins (being a cheaper car). So, instead we get the CityGolf - a MkIV Golf that was beat with an ugly stick.
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Spanish built? So, putting the Seat factories to good use, then? Excellent.
104hp vs 104hp. I know which one I'm driving. Torques = fun.
The DSG is just silly. Isn't the Polo still an "economy" model? With 170lb-ft in such a flyweight chassis, do we really need 11 gears and an automated clutch that engages faster than flea farts?
Minimalized essentials please: the bottom manual, wind-up windows, TDI. Keep the weight off and extra electronic frippery out.
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@FromaBuick6: I know the plural of anecdote isn't "data," but my experience and conversations with fellow VW owners has me tending only towards German-built models. And even then, it's not exactly "Honda reliability."
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from the PR department:
The most frugal trim will carry the BlueMotion badge and attain 62 mpg U.S. in European combined testing with just 96 grams of CO2 per kilometer, making it the most fuel efficient diesel-burning 5-seater in the world.
@Snark21883: I tend towards Steve's thinking here, especially if you consider that most driving is done with a single occupant. But for multiple occupants and mostly city driving, hybrids definitely win.
@Ash78: In a perfect world we'd all have a selection of cars to choose from depending on our intended purpose; a scooter for 1-up traveling to and from work, a VW Polo Diesel for days when it rained and we had to bring that sales presentation in, a minivan for hauling the kids to soccer, a Wrangler for weekend fishing trips with the boys, an Atom for just plain fun, etc...
But we don't all have that luxury. I think hybrids offer significant reduction in carbon emissions and better gas mileage, and something like the Prius probably meets most people's needs most of the time. So give me a Prius and an Atom and I'll be just fine.
So are we actually going to see this car in the US or will there be some big bloated version designed by Europeans who think all Americans have fat asses and need extra large cupholders for our supersized Coke and fries
You know what gets me most? That Brits call it a "coup-pay". I mean, isn't that a Franglicism or something? Also, I generally don't see an aigu on the word, so why do they do that? Can someone from the motherland please asplain?
@Al Navarro: Good question, especially in light of the fact that virtually every other French loan word is intentionally slaughtered by the English. Enquiring minds, etc.
@Al Navarro: Same reason why most people say crescent instead of croissant. The eloquence of the queen's English allows you to pronounce things properly without sounding like an anus.
@Al Navarro: They're Brits, what do you expect? They drive cars like the Datsun 240 Zed and "Jag-u-ars" made from "all-ou-min-e-um." Hell, half the reason I watch Top Gear is because I'm so amused by their dialect and pronunciation.
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@FromaBuick6: It's really ironic that we are flogging the Brits here. If anything we should be the ones who should get ragged on about spelling and pronunciation.
@Dr.Danger: Look at me, I am dumb and:
Or is that an annus...
BTW, your example is flipped around. To my ear, saying crescent is almost better than cwah-sahnt, because we're not in France (note, I say croissant, because I try my best not to be rubish).
@Formerlythegreatestdriver:
Good point. Also, I would not like to call the thing that some men wear on their head a "toop". Too-pay makes it sounds classier...
@Al Navarro: Actually it was always written coupè, with an accent, making the correct pronounce coup-pay.
If Wikipedia can be trusted:
In Europe (including the United Kingdom), the original French spelling, coupé, and a modified French pronunciation (/kuːˈpeɪ/ koo-pay), are used. The stress may be on either the first or second syllable; stressing the first syllable is the more Anglicized variant. Most, but not all, speakers of North American English, at this time, pronounce coupé as "coop" (/kuːp/) and spell it without the acute accent (coupe). This was a gradual change from the original French pronunciation occurring prior to World War II. A very North American example of usage is the hot-rodders' term Deuce Coupe ("doose coop") used to refer to a 1932 Ford.
@Al Navarro: Once upon a time, we called them "coup-pay" as well. I watched the Big Sleep (the Bogart/Bacall version) the other night, and when Bogie asks an informant about a Plymouth "Coup-pay", I nearly fell out of my chair.
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It reads like a McDonald's McCafé commercial in here... The butchered pronunciation in which bugs me more than any of the things anyone has mentioned. I think a British accent is a free pass card for a lot of things that Americans couldn't get away with saying. But not McCafé commercials, I don't even think an accent could help those.
@Formerlythegreatestdriver: My son skips the first letter of most of his words. Thus, coupe, soup, and poop all sound the same. Each one smells differently though.
@Formerlythegreatestdriver: Thats not necessarily true. Much of what we consider American English predates British English. Check out "The Origin of the Specious" next time you're in your local library. It'll change the way you view the English language.
@BraappBraapp: It's Got Electrolytes: GIXXER 1L bikes are way more common, and I'm sure the crash rate per capita is at LEAST the same as 'Busas if not more...
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The DSG is supposed to be slightly more fuel efficient than the 6-speed manual. I get the impression that VW, and Audi to a lesser extent, is fully committed to the DSG as a replacement for traditional automatics.
The 7-speed DSG is a dry-clutch transmission, versus the 6-speed DSG found in the states which is a wet-clutch. Whether that is an advantage, I don't know. The thing is that the 7-speed can't handle a lot of power which is why it's found only on small economy cars like the Polo.
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No? Off to shop Honda.
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1) Endlessly whine about not not having any diesel engined compact cars.
2) Keep saying how much you would want to buy one.
3) Wait several years.
4) When Introduced, criticize the styling.
5) Upon further inspection complain that it's too small and too expensive.
6) Watch car disappear from U.S. market.
7) #@%&!
8) ???????
9) Profit!!!
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I'm surprised that VW doesn't sell the Polo in Canada, as Canadians have embraced small cars for a long time now.
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The City Golf makes baby jesus cry. I can't believe VW is still hawking that thing.
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104hp vs 104hp. I know which one I'm driving. Torques = fun.
The DSG is just silly. Isn't the Polo still an "economy" model? With 170lb-ft in such a flyweight chassis, do we really need 11 gears and an automated clutch that engages faster than flea farts?
Minimalized essentials please: the bottom manual, wind-up windows, TDI. Keep the weight off and extra electronic frippery out.
Any word on possible Stateside offerings?
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That said, one of these days, I'm going to fool myself into thinking that owning an Audi is a fantastic idea.
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The most frugal trim will carry the BlueMotion badge and attain 62 mpg U.S. in European combined testing with just 96 grams of CO2 per kilometer, making it the most fuel efficient diesel-burning 5-seater in the world.
so tell me again why we need hybrids?
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Because you can get 10mpg less with a car that's two segments larger and can fit four actual adults without two of them resenting the others?
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Or just split the difference--tdi Golf/Jetta.
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But we don't all have that luxury. I think hybrids offer significant reduction in carbon emissions and better gas mileage, and something like the Prius probably meets most people's needs most of the time. So give me a Prius and an Atom and I'll be just fine.
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1) it's true
2) if they don't, they don't sell (Astra, anyone?)
3) see #1
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But then again fu*k it! We rule.
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Or is that an annus...
BTW, your example is flipped around. To my ear, saying crescent is almost better than cwah-sahnt, because we're not in France (note, I say croissant, because I try my best not to be rubish).
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Good point. Also, I would not like to call the thing that some men wear on their head a "toop". Too-pay makes it sounds classier...
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I'm not ragging...mostly curious. Where are our UK commenters when we need them?
/checks watch and estimates GMT.
Oh, the pub.
Thank you, I'll be here all the week...
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If Wikipedia can be trusted:
In Europe (including the United Kingdom), the original French spelling, coupé, and a modified French pronunciation (/kuːˈpeɪ/ koo-pay), are used. The stress may be on either the first or second syllable; stressing the first syllable is the more Anglicized variant. Most, but not all, speakers of North American English, at this time, pronounce coupé as "coop" (/kuːp/) and spell it without the acute accent (coupe). This was a gradual change from the original French pronunciation occurring prior to World War II. A very North American example of usage is the hot-rodders' term Deuce Coupe ("doose coop") used to refer to a 1932 Ford.
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I clearly need one of those.
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BTW, crashed toy auctions are awesome.
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