Imhoff's got stones. He built a supercar and then puts his own butt on the line when he climbs in and fires it up.
But let's be very real - if Ken screws up, he doesn't fall out of the sky. Engine quits, you just step out, swear a few times and flip open the phone for AAA. If O'Hara has a sudden headslap moment - I tied a granny knot in the throttle control cable! - stepping out of the vehicle doesn't happen right away. There may not be time to flip open the phone.
If I could have my druthers I'd want full-scale but that may just be sour grapes talking - I haven't done anything 1/10th this awesome, ever.
My Dad was 17 when the U.S. entered WW II after Pearl Harbor, and while he signed up wanting to go fight, because he already knew how to fly he was made an instructor and never left the States until the war was already over. This caused an amazing amount of bitterness, because they kept telling him they would transfer him to a combat unit, but never did. Only about 20 years ago did he realize this might have been a really good thing.
So he flew a P-38 trainer, a two-seater like the ones pauljones and Ash78 have posted below, and his job was pretty simple: Take the new guy with him for a couple of days while the rest of the class/squadron played "Follow The Leader", then move that guy to his own P-38 at the back of the line. Take the guy that had moved up all the way to right behind him over to HQ, where they would make up a squadron of the other instructors graduates, who would then learn formation flying while getting the last of their hours ferrying themselves and some new planes to the Pacific or European meat-grinders. Grab a new guy, put him in the seat behind him and go scare the hell out of him while trying to ditch the rest of the class. Get him into a plane at the back of the line, and repeat, for one war. Since his bosses didn't really care where he went as long as he got some flight-hours into the guys, he'd just go exploring, all over Arizona, California, Utah and Nevada (he was based in Kingman and Yuma, AZ), even taking his row of ducks deep into Mexico a few times. All this helped a ton when after the war he got a degree in mining engineering and was sent out into the middle of BFE on mining explorations and prospecting trips for Phelps-Dodge.
Edited by evoCS-Hench-Minion to the stars at 11/23/09 2:19 PM
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At two-thirds scale, that must have been an uncomfortable trip for his wife. The Chino Hills air museum has a P-38 that was converted to a two-seater for training purpose (no major sheet metal changes, they just added a cramped back seat in the cockpit) that they offer rides in, and dammit was that uncomfortable. Imagining that with 1/3 less space makes me cringe.
On the other hand, Jim O'Hara is the man for building something so awesome by himself. A home-built hero, indeed.
@pauljones: They had some official 2-place P-38 models back in the WWII/postwar era. I seem to remember a bubble canopy on the rear. For example, the P-38 Night Fighter (see pic).
The one in Chino, though, didn't have the bubble canopy in the rear; it used the standard, single-seat P-38 silehoutte, which was handsome, but uncomfortable for the passenger.
@pauljones: My late grandpa did something similar in a modified P-51D. It wasn't built as a 2-place, but was converted. He was 70 years old, riding along while sitting on a little metal box with a lap belt, pull 4-5 Gs with the pilot.
But the man served as an officer on PT boats in the South Pacific, so I never doubted his balls.
riding along while sitting on a little metal box with a lap belt, pull 4-5 Gs with the pilot.
That about sums it up. It's scary and uncomfortable, but also the most fun you'll ever have.
They don't do too many fancy moves with the P-38, considering that it's one of about six flyable examples in the world, but they will have some fun with the P-51s and the P-40 that they have. Flying inverted in the P-40 with my helmet against the canopy was a blast.
@Tanshanomi: And also $500 poorer after making the necessary "donation" needed to qualify for such a ride. It actually cost $1000 at the time; I paid half and my grandfather paid the other half.
I've read a lot from Jalops about UAVs, but it's simply not time for them yet. If the U.S. abandoned the JSF program (and the many partner countries who are already grumbling about delays and costs), we will risk sending customers to vendors like Dassault, or even Russia or China. It's probably more about economics than air defense. Clearly, the future is all about UAVs, but the death of F-22 virtually assures F-35 development and comforts the partners.
Not sure why we need a STOVL, but it seems very useful for countries who need flexible manned air defense but don't have the cash for a carrier fleet.
@brandegee: F-35 was designed to meet the needs of multiple branches of the military. I think the SVTOL was for the Marines or the Navy, I dont remember which.
@pauljones: Nowhere near mastered. It hasn't even managed a vertical letdown from flight yet. It's just now arrived at Pax River for STOVL testing, and it's way behind schedule for that.
I'm not calling for it to be cancelled, but the way I understand it, the other two types have been hamstrung by the need for THIS type to work. Considering the numbers needed for each type, I think it's more critical for the standard Air Force version to be the focus. But that's just how I read it...I could be wrong about prioritization.
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But let's be very real - if Ken screws up, he doesn't fall out of the sky. Engine quits, you just step out, swear a few times and flip open the phone for AAA. If O'Hara has a sudden headslap moment - I tied a granny knot in the throttle control cable! - stepping out of the vehicle doesn't happen right away. There may not be time to flip open the phone.
If I could have my druthers I'd want full-scale but that may just be sour grapes talking - I haven't done anything 1/10th this awesome, ever.
Mad props, Jim - counter-rotating ones!
11/23/09
So he flew a P-38 trainer, a two-seater like the ones pauljones and Ash78 have posted below, and his job was pretty simple: Take the new guy with him for a couple of days while the rest of the class/squadron played "Follow The Leader", then move that guy to his own P-38 at the back of the line. Take the guy that had moved up all the way to right behind him over to HQ, where they would make up a squadron of the other instructors graduates, who would then learn formation flying while getting the last of their hours ferrying themselves and some new planes to the Pacific or European meat-grinders. Grab a new guy, put him in the seat behind him and go scare the hell out of him while trying to ditch the rest of the class. Get him into a plane at the back of the line, and repeat, for one war. Since his bosses didn't really care where he went as long as he got some flight-hours into the guys, he'd just go exploring, all over Arizona, California, Utah and Nevada (he was based in Kingman and Yuma, AZ), even taking his row of ducks deep into Mexico a few times. All this helped a ton when after the war he got a degree in mining engineering and was sent out into the middle of BFE on mining explorations and prospecting trips for Phelps-Dodge.
11/23/09
If the he didn't like such an agreeable chap, I bet he'd think Bob Lutz is a pussy.
You hear that Bob?! Your next A4 Skyhawk better be built by your own hands in your shed out back.
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Mad respect yo.
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Was he able to use Bondo or did he have to use P38, you know, for authenticity?
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On the other hand, Jim O'Hara is the man for building something so awesome by himself. A home-built hero, indeed.
11/23/09
@pauljones: They had some official 2-place P-38 models back in the WWII/postwar era. I seem to remember a bubble canopy on the rear. For example, the P-38 Night Fighter (see pic).
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@Brimful of Ash on the 78: This is true.
The one in Chino, though, didn't have the bubble canopy in the rear; it used the standard, single-seat P-38 silehoutte, which was handsome, but uncomfortable for the passenger.
The picture above is the one that I flew in.
11/23/09
But the man served as an officer on PT boats in the South Pacific, so I never doubted his balls.
11/23/09
riding along while sitting on a little metal box with a lap belt, pull 4-5 Gs with the pilot.
That about sums it up. It's scary and uncomfortable, but also the most fun you'll ever have.
They don't do too many fancy moves with the P-38, considering that it's one of about six flyable examples in the world, but they will have some fun with the P-51s and the P-40 that they have. Flying inverted in the P-40 with my helmet against the canopy was a blast.
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#tips
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He once had an awkward moment...just to see what it was like.
He sweats cologne.
He travels with his wife in a two-thirds-scale P-38.
His wife's name is actually "Mitzi."
He doesn't normally drink beer, but when he does, he drinks it...with a straw.
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That's right: a magician.
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Unless you're flying AirTran.
/ba-dum chhh
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Wonder if it can handle these?
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Not sure why we need a STOVL, but it seems very useful for countries who need flexible manned air defense but don't have the cash for a carrier fleet.
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By this point in time, they've damn near got it mastered, so they may as well finish the job.
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I'm not calling for it to be cancelled, but the way I understand it, the other two types have been hamstrung by the need for THIS type to work. Considering the numbers needed for each type, I think it's more critical for the standard Air Force version to be the focus. But that's just how I read it...I could be wrong about prioritization.
11/18/09
I had thought, though, that the prototypes had long since demonstrated the ability; I was at a hover demonstration for the F-35 a few years back.
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