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Foo2rama
09/28/09

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So as I see it, the thing will be a tube chassis with a Ferrari engine, using the body work designed for his 1 off p4/5. My question is how is that body going to work under race conditions. Where this car is going to compete it will be against downforce cars, and as far as I know the p4/5 body was never really wind tunnel tested for racing purposes. I see alot of lift in the bocy with little in the way creating downforce from the body. I smell a Mercedes CLR-GT fiasco when they start to race it.
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area_educator
09/28/09

@Foo2rama: The flipping CLK GTRs wasn't an issue of "a lot of lift in the body", as I recall.
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Foo2rama
09/29/09

@area_educator: No it was not enough downforce or lift spoilers... A car body naturally promotes lift, esp cars with underbody drag reducers, they are really just big wings. When you factor in light weight and high speed you run into issues. You do not need a super car for this to happen, the first Gen Audi TT had lift problems while it was limited to only 155mph, they recalled all the TT's and put spoilers on the back to stop the high speed lift issues. My point is that this body was never designed for racing, it may have been windtunnel tested, but nothing like the work they put into the MC12 or the Enzo, even then Ferrari will not race the Enzo, and only the MC12. Even Mercedes admits that the CLR was not tested in the wind tunnel long enough.
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stoke
09/28/09

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I don't like Ferraris. Even among Ferraris, I don't like the Enzo. I don't have any particular desire to become a wealthy investor or producer so that I can amass a large collection of Ferraris. I don't really care for Ferrari owners or their Formula 1 team. Generally, what I like is angry little economy cars stuffed full of turbos, Brembos and AWD, and Ferraris do not fit this profile.

Despite this, I think the P4/5 is staggeringly awesome, and I applaud James Glickenhaus for building a fresh one to go racing. Kudos, sir.
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thepeel
09/28/09

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I thought his original Coach P 4/5 was a travesty. For some reason, when all done up in a racing livery, I actually think this thing looks fantastic.

Amazing what a little paint job can do for a car.
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SinisterSaracen
09/28/09

@thepeel:

Compared to the Enzo I thought it looked fantastic, and was a fine homage to the P3/4.
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SudeeptaCoppard
09/28/09

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Technically the enzo was raced in lemans, FIA GT series, ALMS and a couple ofother series. Although with a different paintjob and a body kit (all joking aside it was bad ass). They called it the Maserati MC12. Not to different from what I assume the P4/5 will take on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_MC12
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dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity
09/28/09

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I suspect that Mr Glickenhaus 's definition of "it's not going to cost Crazy money" is a bit different than mine. For the record my definition would be "under $500".
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KurtAnakes
09/28/09

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My Humanitarian Efforts are Through "The Glickenhaus Foundation" and are quite separate from my hobby.

P 4/5 Competizione will be powered by a Ferrari V-12 and be built on a Ferrari chassis but it won't be Enzo based.

Best
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snapoversteer 'bout to get told
09/28/09

@KurtAnakes: It wasn't criticism. I love this idea.
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Sloop_John_B
09/28/09

@KurtAnakes: The P 4/5 remains one of my favorite vehicles to come out of Pininfarina. I look forward to seeing it run around the track. Is Pininfarina involved in this endeavor?

Good luck with the vehicle.
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muhnkee_2 - Avantime Owner and 100% Jaloper
09/28/09

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wht isnt he the president of the whole wide world?
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snapoversteer 'bout to get told
09/28/09

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We should all reflect on the moral example set by Mr. Glickenhaus using great wealth for the greater good. May God bless his humanitarian efforts.
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dculberson
09/28/09

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More power to him! It's so rare to see a custom coach built version of a car that blows the original away, visually. Maybe he'll manage to blow the original away in racing? (Are Enzos raced in any serious numbers?)
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macfarlane.a spent more on beer than dinner
09/28/09

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What in god's name does the Glick mean by, "it's not going to cost Crazy money"?

When I think of a well-calibrated sense of discretionary spending, I think of James Glickenhaus!
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Turboner
09/28/09

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Hope the car isn't a basket case.
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Armand
05/07/09

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I've been hanging around with a lot of Alfa enthusiasts lately, and looking at old Alfas is a good way to understand the whole Pininfarina/Bertone divide. Look at a Duetto (boat-tail) Alfa Spider, designed by Battista Pininfarina. It's all convex curves, except for the concave section halfway up the side-- cut off the windshield and it'd look a bit like a wheeled torpedo. Then look at a "step-nose" Giulia GTV, designed by Giorgetto Giugiaro, who might disagree with Peter's assertion that Gandini was the most influential designer at Bertone. It's curvaceous too, but it's much more muscular and aggressive. The two cars are both recognizably "Alfa-ish," but they're completely different from a stylistic perspective. This is awfully surprising, considering they're basically the same car under the skin. Luckily, we don't have to choose just one.
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Feny
05/07/09

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I loved that Quattroporte! My uncle had that Quattroporte in dark blue with a beige interior - it was gorgeous. I was surprised to see a Viennese license plate on the car that seems to be parked in the czech republic. Then again it's not particularly far to drive ;)
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Peter Orosz
05/08/09

@Feny: It's actually Budapest, Hungary, and in that Quattroporte, it would take little more than an hour from Vienna.
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brandegee
05/07/09

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Bravo, Peter.

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Mr_Sives_Remotoc
05/07/09

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Great article as always, it's a pleasure to read you Peter!

I don't know when Marcello first used the "Angular Rear Wheelarch", but if we look at the '70 Lancia Stratos Zero concept, which was unveiled 1 year before the Countach, we can see a kind of.

Regarding the use of this feature on the Mantide...I always considered this feature as Gandini's signature more than Bertone's signature, because Marcello used it during his years at Bertone of course, but also later, as an independent designer (Quattroporte, Diablo, CiZeta V16T, etc.).

I mean, it's historically correct that today we have Bertone's cars featuring "Angular Rear Wheelarches", but in my opinion, being Marcello a famous designer, and being still alive and active, I wouldn't have used (stolen?) his signature as a sign of respect for one of the best car designers ever. What do you think about?
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Peter Orosz
05/12/09

@Mr_Sives_Remotoc: I don't think it's stealing at all. In fact, I take it as a sign of respect for the man who held Castriota's chair.
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