Kudos to the organizers for inventing a fun, almost non-destructive punishment.The joke of destroying the car isn't funny by itself any more, so unless the Curse winner has proven an utter asshat, this is a great followup.
But the rules allow your cheater car to be claimed, and your competitors can get your car flattened like a crepe. Don't forget it.
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I have no problem or hurt feelings with being cursed, and in a sick way it was actually pretty fun. Getting the car back out for a few laps was as rewarding as anything else we could have done.
I'm just really curious where the 'brake checking' is coming from? My best guess is after our rear-end incident, we had to switch to 2 year old used-at-lemons 15" falkens on the front of the car for most of Saturday and it handled terribly. The drivers for those stints were driving a powerful car that could not corner or brake well (ABS was not pleased with the 15s).
Thanks to the organizers and all the great competitors there, LeMons is a great event.
@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I just did a quick Google Image search for "giant wrench" this was on the first page or so. Looks like it would make a nice stand-in for a sledge hammer, plus the look on the guy's face.
Greetings from the Team Captain of Black Iron Racing (Vince B.) First off, I'd like to say thanks to all the teams who helped out with fixing our car and donating brake fluid and ABS bleeding methods, all the judges and Jay for their kind words of encouragement before and after the curse.
Second, I'd like to set the record straight. No one on the team ever intentionally brake checked or dive-bombed anyone. We did slow down for yellow flags and did certainly pass in braking zones (this isn't a NASA HPDE 1 session, it is a race). We were unfortunately rear-ended by a very nice fellow (who later apologized and had us sign his fender for a breast cancer awareness cause) in a BMW 3-series who didn't notice our car slowing for a fire truck merging onto the track under yellow flag...this is the ONLY reason I can come up with Mr Martin's unfortunate misconception about brake checking. We had many drivers give us compliments on our track ediquette as well as a group of corner workers who went out of there way to give us props on keeping it clean. I won't waste time giving my opinion on why we were crushed, it is better left to philosophers like Aristotle (specifically his treatise on rhetoric, Bertrand Russell, or anyone who has spent time investigating the science of 'Schadenfreude')..but I digress too much.
Last -- the race was a fantastic time 180 laps racing against the best $500 cars in the country, including the 10 minutes of watching the car get "adjusted" by the angry mob and the 90 minutes of "re-adjusting" the car such that it ran again on its own power.
Sincerely,
Black Iron Racing
2006 Altamont Peoples Choice
2007 Altamont First Place Overall
2009 Buttonwillow Peoples Curse, Most Heroic Fix.
@Slowlane: I was really hoping that "No Curse" would get the most votes this time, since I don't think BIR really deserved this one (I feel the same way about the first two Texas curses and the most recent South Carolina one, too).
As for bad driving accusations, I heard complaints from many sources. Not as many as with, say, Salazar Racing, but enough to establish a pattern: the perception was that BIR was doing Bad Things out there.
So i wanna know who really had all the votes for people curse. word was there was an Audi A4 that everyone hated. got docked 450 laps,but everyone wanted it crushed. what happened???
@AureliaCalvinus: In another comment, someone said that they packed up and left Saturday night. Voting can happen up until about an hour before the 'winner' is announced - and I doubt it would be bestowed on someone who already abdicated. No idea why that A4 team left, quitters.
Definitely prefer this method of the Curse, and also the reasoning behind this time's target. The infamous Miata one seemed too much like the clique beating up on the nerdy kid for being too smart/having too nice a trailer or whatever, and just smashing the car is a bit not-nice. At least with wrenches the possibility remains of restoring the car at some point.
The only thing I'd say is that (not being there and only going by Murilee's articles) it does seem kinda like the judges did a bit of a passive-aggressive thing with not giving them a ton of penalty laps but all-but-designating them as the most likely to get the Curse for getting away with cheating. I can't get seriously worked up in favour of a BMW though.
BTW, what happened to those Audi A4s on the entry list?
@BaldwinPeriphetes: the white one was done early and didnt even try to fix, and the grey one blew a radiator, said they were going to fix and come back sunday - but never showed up.
@BaldwinPeriphetes: The Pimpala - Cursed at Stafford Springs - had it's engine attacked with sledge hammers and pry bars and axes, and it almost made it back out on the track by the end of the day. Damage can be repaired, and it's amazing what a dedicated team can sort out.
Just because they passed most of the contestants like they were standing still doesn't mean they were brake checking and driving like assholes. Quit your whining and put some more effort into your next car. It's a race, not a Sunday drive.
@Otto-Mann: Nothing to worry about. You keep removing bolts by continuing to wrench until you hear that loud snap. If it works for you, why mess with it?
I am a big fan of the 24 Hrs of LeMons but there is something creepy about the "People's Curse." See, what is happening is that those teams that innovate, that are clever and resourceful get penalized (bad driving not withstanding). Further, those who successfully "conform" are allowed to tear at the work of the other team (literally). Seems to me that being nonconformist, clever and innovative should be awarded, not punished. The again, maybe I am just taking this too seriously. It is just that I would be pissed off royal if somebody beat on my work (no sexual reference intended).
Sorry, contact rules or no, if someone gets in front of me and brakes hard, repeatedly, I might just pretend I wasn't paying such good attention the third or fourth time.
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But the rules allow your cheater car to be claimed, and your competitors can get your car flattened like a crepe. Don't forget it.
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I'm just really curious where the 'brake checking' is coming from? My best guess is after our rear-end incident, we had to switch to 2 year old used-at-lemons 15" falkens on the front of the car for most of Saturday and it handled terribly. The drivers for those stints were driving a powerful car that could not corner or brake well (ABS was not pleased with the 15s).
Thanks to the organizers and all the great competitors there, LeMons is a great event.
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Second, I'd like to set the record straight. No one on the team ever intentionally brake checked or dive-bombed anyone. We did slow down for yellow flags and did certainly pass in braking zones (this isn't a NASA HPDE 1 session, it is a race). We were unfortunately rear-ended by a very nice fellow (who later apologized and had us sign his fender for a breast cancer awareness cause) in a BMW 3-series who didn't notice our car slowing for a fire truck merging onto the track under yellow flag...this is the ONLY reason I can come up with Mr Martin's unfortunate misconception about brake checking. We had many drivers give us compliments on our track ediquette as well as a group of corner workers who went out of there way to give us props on keeping it clean. I won't waste time giving my opinion on why we were crushed, it is better left to philosophers like Aristotle (specifically his treatise on rhetoric, Bertrand Russell, or anyone who has spent time investigating the science of 'Schadenfreude')..but I digress too much.
Last -- the race was a fantastic time 180 laps racing against the best $500 cars in the country, including the 10 minutes of watching the car get "adjusted" by the angry mob and the 90 minutes of "re-adjusting" the car such that it ran again on its own power.
Sincerely,
Black Iron Racing
2006 Altamont Peoples Choice
2007 Altamont First Place Overall
2009 Buttonwillow Peoples Curse, Most Heroic Fix.
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As for bad driving accusations, I heard complaints from many sources. Not as many as with, say, Salazar Racing, but enough to establish a pattern: the perception was that BIR was doing Bad Things out there.
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Was disappointed to her you guys got the peoples curse..as a M60 owner, I was really hoping you guys would show 'em what's what!
How much did the unruly crowd manage to wrench off?
You guys have any photos or videos of the teardown, racing or rebuilding? Would be glad to see :)
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They got this thing back together and finished the race... with the whole crowd cheering as they drove through the checkered...
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The only thing I'd say is that (not being there and only going by Murilee's articles) it does seem kinda like the judges did a bit of a passive-aggressive thing with not giving them a ton of penalty laps but all-but-designating them as the most likely to get the Curse for getting away with cheating. I can't get seriously worked up in favour of a BMW though.
BTW, what happened to those Audi A4s on the entry list?
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Shouldn't that read "Mad Maxism"?
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Perhaps the People's Curse could adopt the federal Clunker Euthanasia Kit method to off offending vehicles.
Of course, they'll have to add some noisy power tools or big fireworks; maybe both. Remember, this is a growing Spectator Sport.
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They drove like assholes.
Nothing to see here.
Move along...
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"How long has this been going on?"
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Do you know how annoying it is to be brake checked incessantly by the same reakin person?
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Sorry, contact rules or no, if someone gets in front of me and brakes hard, repeatedly, I might just pretend I wasn't paying such good attention the third or fourth time.
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That's exactly it. Check the rules - if you think your panties might get wrapped around the driveshaft...don't race!
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