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    Image of Feds Feds
    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    Ooh, Oooh, I KNOW this one!


    You can't use lead in wheel weights any more, so they are not as dense, therefore, you need a higher volume of weights to balance a tire.


    Fact is, we discussed the aesthetic distraction of longer strips of weights, but decided saving the planet for future generations was a better idea.


    THAT is the story here.

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    05/24/09

    @Feds: You still shouldn't need that many.


    The difference is pretty minimal, family friends own a tire shop so I've been hanging around there since before the lead ban, the new ones are a bit larger but not that much.

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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is really, really unprofessional?
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    05/24/09

    @Town of the Big House DLJ: Nope, and I know some tire shop owners who would have an absolute fit if anything left their shop looking like that.
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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    Remember..good things come to those who weight.
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    Image of .357 .357
    05/24/09

    @☠Grяrя sings the doom song now!: Very funny.

    Also, a bit off topic, but Invader Zim kicks ass.
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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    You think that's alot? I have 2 rows, and one row is double stacked for my rear tires on the CST10.


    This is nothing news worthy at all... That's normal for many cars with stick on weights

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    05/24/09

    @TexanIdiot25- we're boned....: CST10 = Truck


    Camaro Pace Car = PR Vehicle... ie representative of the entire company... given their history with less than stellar build quality you'd think they'd want to avoid any potential embarrassments at all costs, and while this may not be a functional problem, it doesn't look good.

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    05/24/09

    @something_unique_and_descripti...: It's just fucking wheel weights. This amount of weights, and their position is pretty standard for any sets of wheels and tires. The fact that this is news worthy is pathetic. So what, their visible.
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    05/24/09

    @TexanIdiot25- we're boned....: To us they're wheel weights, to normal people they signs that GM quality still sucks (even though it doesn't in many cases... I can't defend the Aveo, I just can't).


    People, in general, are stupid and superficial. I build computers and consult on tech purchases so I see it all the time, people choose a computer based on how the MONITOR looks, or how the case looks, neither of which have jack sh*t to do with how the computer actually functions.


    So what we've got here is essentially a screaming fast "computer" with a scratched up case. It works, but nobody's going to buy it.

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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    The true "speed weights" in the Camaro are the drivers.
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    Hell, are those wheels even round? Judging by the amount of weight to get it balanced, I'd guess not.
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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    We have a balancing machine at work where you can show the machine where the spokes are and it will allow you to hide the weights behind the spokes. I guess there are situations where that might be impossible but we haven't run into it yet.
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    Image of Franzouse Franzouse
    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    Could somebody please create a Wikipedia or Jalopedia entry for "brake weights" so I can stop pretending I know what they are?
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    05/24/09

    @franzouse: Er, click the hyperlink and all will be explained
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    Image of Franzouse Franzouse
    05/24/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Sorry, I had a "heavy" brunch and didn't carefully enough (too much vin de petit dejeuner)
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    Image of brickyard brickyard
    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    It looks like hell but I've seen as bad or worse on some pretty serious race cars.
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    05/24/09

    @brickyard: Except this isn't a race car, it's a glorified PR car.
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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    WTF? Do they have a miniature piano in there?
    You'd think GM would want their boys looking perfect for this event.
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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    How about Jalopnik calling Chevy PR and asking about the brake weight thing? You guys must have a phone number to someone who could answer why they put that there.


    As for the weehl weights - necessary evil, so who cares. You just happened to find a wheel that needed a lot of weights. If it was my car and it was delivered to the dealership like that, I bet there's a good chance the dealer would swap it out with another one with less weights if you were that picky.

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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    05/24/09

    @Rock517: I thought we had clarified it. It is, as we assumed, a means of changing the resonant frequency of the caliper. At certain speeds and braking loads it vibrates and thus squeals, adding weights shifts the resonant frequency and eliminates the squeal. The fix is a heavier caliper, which hasn't apparently been shipped from Brembo yet.
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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    One echidna would fix that.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    05/24/09

    @Elhigh: Hah! Exactly what they need.
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    05/24/09

    @Elhigh: I can't help myself...


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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    Not exactly elegant, but really, who cares? The car looks damn good (especially in the very appropriately-nicknamed PM yellow) and Pace Cars don't really need to be at the very pinnacle of fast engineering. I mean, wouldn't a Scuderia or 599 be faster than an SL63 AMG?
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    Cars have always had weights to balance the tires. What is a little strange is that this is news to anyone.
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    05/24/09

    @UDMan: Not so much the fact of the weights, just they goes almost a fifth of the way around the rim.
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    05/24/09

    @UDMan: It's not so much that they're there, it's the sheer quantity that's strange. The only time I've seen that much weight needed to balance a tire / rim was when one or both were damaged.
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    05/24/09

    @UDMan: Don't they have bespoke attachment points for them on the inside of the spokes, anyway?
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    05/24/09

    In reply to Camaro Pace Cars Have Brake Weights, Crazy Wheel Imbalance
    If they had a tire tech that knew his business, you wouldn't have this problem.
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