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Dark blue, stick, SVT package, brembo brake package, glass roof, black leather, big stereo.
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Still, for Ferrari, super-performance cars are par for the course. The LFA is so strange and so much work went into it that one is indeed left with a hard choice...if one cannot afford both, that is.
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Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
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*choaking, gurgling.
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@PowerTryp, Starless wonder.:
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Special: Takes a special person to pay that much for it.
Limited: People with limited endowment wants it.
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I guess you're right, but the font is an Earnhardt 3, the font!
11/19/09
In best mockery of little whiny girl voice:
"Oh no, not another Mustang variant!"
"Mustangs are so underpowered"
"live axles suck"
Well kids, it's a little bit like this:
Most of the Mustang variants you have seen have been aftermarket variants, not factory editions. And while I'll grant that there were quite a few during the 2005-2009 model years, they have all been well thought out in terms of package, pricing, and target demographic and have all sold well.
Next up, there are presently only three model variation: Base, GT, and GT500. There are (and always have been) more variations on the BMW 3-series than the Mustang, and yet, I don't here any bitching about that?
Mustangs have always been adequately powered, and now adequate gets a healthy bump to slightly overkill with the 2011 Mustangs, considering that they are getting a 400hp V8 and a 315hp V6, all now backed by six-speed transmissions, manual or automatic.
Obviously, live axles don't suck, considering that the Mustang offers better handling than the Camaro or the Challenger, and their club racing version has been proven to have the ability to stomp on its BMW competitors in every racing series that they have come head-to-head in.
Having addressed your concerns, next time try coming up with something more interesting and creative to say. Memes are only funny for so long.
11/19/09
In the same way Porsche has finally sorted the handling out with all their rear assed widow makers.
Nothing wrong with it, just saying.
11/19/09
You seem to like comparing BMW's to the Mustang, not only are BMW's better than a Mustang but BMW's are overpriced junk for the most part. I guarantee that a 3 series has a far superior suspension to that of the Mustang.
People think Mustangs are fast and they aren't. They have adequate power yes but I'm sick of people seeing a Mustang and going oohh crap check that beast out, I just shrug my shoulders and ask what, that dime-a-dozen POS right there?
Obviously they are doing something right because I see literally at least 30 every single day on the road and I don't even drive that much, but I would prefer to own another car instead of a Mustang for the money.
I'd be interested in an SVT Mustang or an Ecoboost or better yet make a Mustang Raptor, that'd be insanity.
11/20/09
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And yes, Mustangs are damned fast for what they are and how they are priced, considering that you need to spend at least another ten grand to get anything that can match it's performance. I'll also point out that all the factory special editions have sold well, and the aftermarket editions are not, in fact, the same as the factory editions.
I think someone has a case of the Thursday night blues.
#tips
11/20/09
Faster in a straight line? thats tougher, for the price the GT500 goes in a straight line pretty well, the closest thing I can think of off the top of my head, straight from the factory no mods would be the Camaro SS which will do it in 4.6 which is pretty brisk for a mere $32k I find that to be much more of a value as far as straight line is concerned.
11/20/09
I would be much happier with the Mustang if the interior didn't look like it came from a $25,000 car and they would give it some darn weight reduction for god sakes. It is NOT difficult to make a V8 2 door under 4,000 lbs, they barely, barely did that which is pitiful. I would expect that car to be closer to 3,000 lbs then I could be happy with spending $50,000 on a $30,000 car.
And for anyone out there who thinks I'm a Ford hater, the Ford GT is seriously the stuff of my wet dreams, and I am definitely a Viper man.
11/22/09
Good question, I spaced on the details there. Actually, I spaced on the whole fact that this article is about the GT500. I too prefer the C6 to the GT500; no car with a nose that blunt can compete at top-end power/speed with something that's actually aerodynamic.
What grinds my gears and resulted in my question was the dismissal of the Mustang GT as a slow POS. So, a new GT is priced at 28K, sells in the real world for 25K or less if you can negotiate your way out of a paper bag...what at that price point can compare 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, or HP-wise?
I know the WRX can, and the 370Z, but those cars are harder to get at a cheap price (the Z is more around 30K I think but I'm not looking it up), as they don't produced a zillion of them a year. And if the Mustang competes with them, can you still call it a POS? I feel the base model GT is a performance bargain against anything in its class. Others in its class are good cars as well, I'm not dismissing the other options.
11/22/09
While I agree that the WRX can out-bargain a Mustang, I'd much prefer the Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart which is fairly difficult to come across but I generally see them below sticker pricer, a Dodge dealer we went to tried to sell me the Evo for $4k off the sticker and when it was apparent that I was in no financial position to talk about a $30k car they started talking about a Ralliart for $22k which I thought was a steal but like I said, no financial position to talk about new cars really.
You said it yourself, the 370Z is the best performing competitor but good luck getting one under sticker. I would say the Solstice GXP would be a good grab as far as performance all around but once again, straight 0-60 its tough to beat V8 power for $26k
My personal preference would be the Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 T mainly for the handling, its got a mid 5 second 0-60 time but the chassis is one of the best out there. Even I will admit the Ford Mustang GT is the lowest cost (including maintenance because of the sheer overstock in parts) and fastest car for the money, but I would never own one for multiple reasons.
11/23/09
I can see what you're saying, and yeah, I like the Genesis too. (Though even with a V6 it weighs the same as the Mustang, but yeah, it's a solid car and a fun drive.) And we both agree the 370 is the most competent all around car, but in real world pricing, it's closer to competing with BMWs than with the Mustang. Don't like the headlight assemblies, but man it runs. The whole rear is beautiful too.
The Mustang's low cost of parts translates into cheaper insurance than comparable vehicles too. As you may have guessed, I'm a Mustang guy. I was looking to buy an 09 Mazdaspeed3 earlier this year, but after shopping around and getting real world prices, I bought an 09 Mustang GT for 20.5. Now, I don't have a spare 5k to put into it, and I won't for a year or ten, but I do feel a few suspension mods, fatter tires, and the typical SCT/air intake upgrade and I could run with all of the cars we're talking about. I still can now, but I do lose my share ;)
Heart-click for playing the debate game. Though I have to say, being dismissive of all Mustangs is just as myopic as seeing all Mustangs as fast, though I can see where the contrarian view comes from when surrounded by people celebrating the 4.0 V6.
See you on the interwebs! And oh, I like the Ralliart too.
11/23/09
Nice pick on the Mustang GT, I could go on for a while as to why I like the Genesis Coupe more but suppose it all comes down to preference and to another day that awaits right? Factory is nice and all but it really comes down to work you put into it, I've seen my current car, the Scion tC take down several muscle heads who think speed is from the factory so the best of luck to you out there.
So all in all I suppose there is no arguing that the Mustang IS in fact a good value however much I may dislike some of them. I always enjoy a good debate with someone who actually knows a thing or two about cars (yes I realize my current car does not exactly speak to my experience) and nice that someone around here doesn't let fanboy-ism take over in a debate. Heart click for you as well
(I'd literally murder for an Ecoboost Mustang by the way)
11/23/09
Internet friends forever! And there's nothing wrong with the tC, don't listen to the haters. I had a country club beige Civic before this and I had fun in that car, though it was about as anti-sporty as could be. And I've been smoked in autocross by cars a lot more affordable and with less horsepower than mine, so I have respect for all types of cars. I was almost scared to admit I was a Mustang owner and be called out as a fanboy, but honesty's the best policy, and I think we've both shown we respect a range of cars, not just the ones we are financially (and emotionally lolzers) invested in.
I'm pretty psyched to see what they do with these 2011 Mustangs. I don't plan on buying any drivetrain in its first year of production, but I am jealous of the horsepower bump, not gonna lie.
11/24/09
I'm looking forward to the Genesis Coupe because I fully plan on owning one (preferably v6 until the 4 cylinder model gets a dedicated tranny) But I have to say 315hp from a Mustang v6 would be very nice to see, but once again I have to say, I'd MURDER for an ecoboost v6 mustang.
Country club beige lol... I do have to say Honda makes some odd colors, or used to at least, Hyundai used to have the most hideous nastiness of a yellow in like 2003 or so, the new yellow looks like they put effort into it lol. You know all this talk about cheap Mustangs makes me realize how overpriced the Civic Si REALLY is. I'd like an S2000 though, man I'm getting off topic, I think I could talk for hours about every brand haha.
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I wonder what the SVT Performance Package consists of... wait, I got my answer.
"Inlcudes 19" wheels,RR Spoiler with GF (Gurney Flap I'm assuming), OTT Stripe delete and last but most importantly 3.73 Limited slip axle!"
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#mustang
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But seriously, don't be putting a SVT on anything unless it comes carrying a few blowers.
And is it just me in saying, I am getting very annoyed at how American car makers use such crazy large engines then put out disappointing power numbers? I mean, BMW M3. Its only a 4.4 V8 but its making clear of 400HP. The Camaro needs a bloody 6.2 to make over 400...
I get there is no replacement to displacement for many people but damn. A viper with a 8.3 V10 making 600? Okay thats the exception a Viper would murder you no matter what power it had.
11/19/09
Although, if you want to play the engine size game, I'm shocked, SHOCKED I SAY!, at how BMW can get such poor fuel economy out of such a small engine. The Camaro SS and Mustang GT are much better (and only require regular gas), and even the Shelby GT500 (with its supercharged 5.4) is marginally better.
11/19/09
Less sophisticated? Yes. But you have to increase the complexity / sophistication substantially to get 400 NA HP from a 4.4 V8 (btw if you really want to talk about HP/L isn't 100 HP/L the magic number? Using that logic, the BMW V8 is not as good as the 2.2L, 4 cylinder, 240HP in the S2000).
The limit of VE in a NA engine is a finite one. In some cases, all things considered, it makes more since to add cubes than to engineer infinitely variable valve trains, timing, etc.
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BMW M3 Price : ~ $56,500
Camaro 2SS Price: ~ $40,000
VFM? End of.
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I thought Job 1 was quality? I thought that start back in the 80's? So they're just now getting to it?
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Unless he'd been on a serious bender, it was late and closing time was neigh in the dimly-lit bar and across the room he spied one through his beer goggles casting him that "come hither, and let me cook you breakfast in the morning" look. He'd hate himself in the morning, of course.
We've all been there. Could happen.
11/23/09